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Post Post #1350 (ISO) » Tue Oct 11, 2016 3:56 pm

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In post 1348, SirCakez wrote:Like I'll even concede that maybe the amount of time since Legend of Zelda + your hiatus has gotten you out of it but you're obviously lying about "clearly explaining" your read pre-1341 and having reasoning besides gut for it
If you have actual reasoning then maybe we can talk
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In post 1314, SirCakez wrote: I have literally never seen millers been vig bait or "sacrifices for lynching"
You have me legitimately confused
I have played some games that were ruined by beating this topic to death. I can't remember which one(s), but it feels like it's happened several times.

One I do remember though is a game I ran, I don't think it's on my wiki because I think it got lost during the DB crash about 4-5 years ago. In that game, there was a death miller. In his PM, he would immediately die and lose regardless of outcome if he revealed the death part of his miller-ness on D1. I'm not saying there is or isn't a death miller in this game, because I'm not playing guess the setup, but this is a bastard game and there are basically 2 claimed millers at this point, and based on my own personal experience, not only in the game I ran, but also in games I've played, there are death millers around these parts occasionally.

So, let's say we run Ank up today and he flips scum. We learn nothing, because he could be a death miller that's really town and no one will know because it wouldn't be revealed until post game. No meaningful associations there. Ank stated a "hated" part of his role and that leans towards the negative. I don't think I'm reaching too far on this. I picked Ank for this illustration because of the negative. A death miller is a negative.

So, let's say we run one of them up and they flip town. Wow, they were a miller, just like they said.

There's better places to put our D1 focus.
I kinda get what you're getting at, this topic isn't going anywhere
I wouldn't lynch either of the miller claims today anyway
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No, calling one of my posts fake does not = a clear explanation of why I am one of your top two scum reads lol
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Post Post #1351 (ISO) » Tue Oct 11, 2016 3:59 pm

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You're one of my top two scumreads because your posts are clearly fake.
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Post Post #1352 (ISO) » Tue Oct 11, 2016 4:01 pm

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In post 1351, Nahdia wrote:You're one of my top two scumreads because your posts are clearly fake.
Would you say he's worthy of d1 rope, or more a d2+ lynch?
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Post Post #1353 (ISO) » Tue Oct 11, 2016 4:02 pm

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"Your posts are clearly fake" is a clear explanation at least!
But it's a terrible one.
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Post Post #1354 (ISO) » Tue Oct 11, 2016 4:03 pm

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In post 1352, House wrote:
In post 1351, Nahdia wrote:You're one of my top two scumreads because your posts are clearly fake.
Would you say he's worthy of d1 rope, or more a d2+ lynch?
What's the difference, in your opinion?
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Post Post #1355 (ISO) » Tue Oct 11, 2016 4:05 pm

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In post 1354, Nahdia wrote:
In post 1352, House wrote:
In post 1351, Nahdia wrote:You're one of my top two scumreads because your posts are clearly fake.
Would you say he's worthy of d1 rope, or more a d2+ lynch?
What's the difference, in your opinion?
I'll answer yours if you answer mine.
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Post Post #1356 (ISO) » Tue Oct 11, 2016 4:07 pm

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I mean, it's not a prospect I've really given much consideration to. I can honestly say the only times I recall saying "this person may be scum but we shouldn't lynch them d1", I've been scum myself. And my arguments are usually something along the lines of "they'll become more obvious as time goes on" or "they're competent and them having more reads once they've flipped for us to go off will be helpful if they're town." The second I actually think is a bad point in general and the first isn't true of SirCakez.
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Post Post #1357 (ISO) » Tue Oct 11, 2016 4:09 pm

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Stop hedging.

Do you want him dead right now today, or are you still interested in gathering more info to read him on?
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Post Post #1358 (ISO) » Tue Oct 11, 2016 4:15 pm

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Day 1, Vote Count #14

Current Vote Count:

(0)
zakk
(2)
SirCakez -- PeregrineV, Nahdia
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House
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Maxous
(1)
Creature -- Nosferatu
(0)
PeregrineV
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Blade Dancer
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Shiro
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MagnaofIllusion
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Nosferatu
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Nahdia
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Accountant -- House
(0)
Not Chara
(0)
Ankamius
(2)
SlySly -- Narna, SnarkySnowman
(3)
McMenno -- Gamma Emerald, Creature, Blade Dancer
(0)
SnarkySnowman
(6)
Narna -- McMenno, Ankamius, Accountant, Maxous, MagnaofIllusion, SirCakez
(1)
Gamma Emerald -- Leonshade
(0)
Leonshade
(1)
Andrius -- zakk
(0)
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Not Voting:
Shiro, SlySly, Andrius, massive, Not Chara

With 22 votes available, it takes 12 votes to hammer.

Shiro is V/LA until 10/15.
Leonshade is V/LA until 10/16.

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Post Post #1359 (ISO) » Tue Oct 11, 2016 4:15 pm

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In post 1357, House wrote:Stop hedging.

Do you want him dead right now today, or are you still interested in gathering more info to read him on?
I thought I would have made it clear by my vote and the fact that I just said I only stifle my scumreads when I'm scum that I'm more than happy to lynch him today.
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Post Post #1360 (ISO) » Tue Oct 11, 2016 4:19 pm

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But, you know, that's why I asked you why you think certain slots shouldn't be lynched Day 1. Since you brought it up and all.
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Post Post #1361 (ISO) » Tue Oct 11, 2016 4:20 pm

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In post 1245, PeregrineV wrote:At this point in the game, I am not for an Andrius lynch.
What are your thoughts on Andrius now?
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Post Post #1362 (ISO) » Tue Oct 11, 2016 4:21 pm

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In post 1304, SirCakez wrote:
In post 1220, Creature wrote:Wanted to see if someone could rise a valid meta argument on SirCakez as I don't exactly know his meta and he's getting away as scum very often.
My scum game has gone to shit recently, not sure what you're talking about.
In post 1281, Andrius wrote:Town
House is town. So town. +331 +470
Accountant is town. Entry was spectacular. +381 +422
Ankamius is town.
Magna is town. I had a minor hesitation, and I got over it.
McMenno is leaning town. +257
PeregrineV is a townread.
leonshade +427 need more reads. He posted more, will see it when I get there.
SlySly is leaning town.
Creature I don't like his contributions, and I don't think his vote on pepto was good but at the same time he's likely town.
Gamma. Town. This game's notscience, for me. There is one scum-motivation for what he's done, and I don't think he has the will for it.
Shiro. Miniscule of a townread because miller claim.

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notchara -associate/gigascum
nosferatu

Scum
peptobislawl. Initial posting scummy. Has since disappeared. If he doesn't come back there will be words. Or bullets.
Gigatroubador. -peptocatchup -211 -234 -337 -lowimpactplayer -439 -465 -470
Giga has a lot of posts, but little impact. There are questions, but I notice little in terms of follow-up or actual consideration. Reminds me of Pathfinder Mafia a bit.
Not Chara - The posture. Posture is terrible - doesn't really make waves or press scumreads. Voted Gamma, backed down almost immediately. There's no drive here. I get the distinct impression Chara's sitting around as scum waiting for something to happen, and then needs to find a convenient way to join that thing happening. Chara joined the Gamma wagon after it was over.
cakez - Leaning.
nosferatu - Leaning.

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1) It was a classification, not specifically for you. No worries.
2) Its been awhile since I've played a game.
3) Haven't played a game with you. Since you're apparently an alt, or have other accounts, you would know if I've seen you in other games. I'm not an alt.
4) I bring it up for Ankamius, namely. So that he and I can understand each other. I cannot recall a game we've been in together and not had each other's backs.
5) Oh, I do. Opinions vary. I, for one, loved the Fate/VV interaction D4/5 in LOTR Mafia. Wiser people than I, like Magna, did not.
6) I'm glad I could be of service. You're interacting with me, so mission accomplished.

And no, I'm nothing special. The Baker isn't exactly a glorious title. No one said what I do was a good job. But someone needs to bake the bread so I do it. And have been doing it this game.

And here you are thinking you know me after I make a post generalizing you. We may yet get along.

Will look into McMenno later since Blade Dancer mentions him a couple times.

zakk/636
I am no longer at a point in my life where I can (or want) to sit logged into MS all day and being constantly up to date. I'm not going to instantly reread things when I think of them. Lives always take precedence.
Do YOU have a solid read on Shiro? Besides for his Miller claim? Beause two posts is insufficient and he's V/LA. So yes, I need to see more from Shiro in order for me to form a solid read on him other than 'oh a miller claim ok he's not scum because scum won't claim miller D1'.
massive hasn't posted yet. I made a list of reads and you nitpick me for explaining why I don't have reads on everyone? Because they are V/LA or haven't posted.
'Throwing swords' is a reference to Pathfinder Mafia that Ankamius will understand. I believe I did it in BSG as well, though I was not a Playwright that game.
How is 'we're still missing a good number of players' anything? We were missing a good number of people, and therefore cannot form reads on people who have not yet posted.

Forgive me, but its almost like you're grasping for anything you can because you've already decided I'm scum and are looking for anything to latch onto.

House/654
It could be because he's guaging interest in a wagon before he drops a vote.
But that's just idle speculation on my part.
He doesn't comment on if that has any bearing on my alignment or how this has affected his read on me, which I find odd given his whole wall is me talking about my reads or lack thereof on players who haven't posted yet for various reasons.

Leonshade contributes +1 read, then disappears.

Just noticed I don't appear anywhere on Accountant's reads list. Hope I've given you more to work with since 669.

Gigabyte's replace out was not town. The setup spec is pointless this early, in a bastard game, and looks like he's faking content. My big thing with you is your connection to him.

687: Oh so now you're all 'oh, maybe someone's actually busy outside of the game'? Ok zakk. Ok. :roll:

Don't fault Ank for RVS voting me. Leaving the site during Ori and the Blind Forest at least merits a RVS vote.

No I didn't follow through and vote anyone yet. Neighborize me or something and we can talk about the snowfall.

Not Chara's posture this game bothers me too. I'm not expecting everyone to run around and throw swords but I know where zakk stands with people and his opinions are clear.

If I had to shoot between [Creature, Not Chara], the latter would drop.

Hallelujah, more reads from Leonshade.

Cakez should have more reads by now.

Nahdia, can you explain Not Chara as town to me? Because I'm not seeing it.

pepto's silent replace out is all sorts of bad.

SlySly makes great points in the 900+ series.

I have never played a game with Accountant, and I feel like I've been missing out.

Chara's vote on Gamma exemplifies my scumread on that slot.
And then unvotes. Ok.

Eagerly awaiting Nosferatu's catchup.

House, please move your vote off of town. Thanks. Might I interest you in a SirCakez lynch? Or a peptobismlawl lynch?
SnarkySnowman also needs reconsider his vote. I know he's in the middle of catching up but the sooner the better.

massive is not voting, but was sheeping Magna?
Nahdia's not voting either.

Not Chara, can I interest you in a peptobismlawl lynch?
PeregrineV, can I interest you in a peptobismlawl lynch?
SlySly, can I interest you in a peptobismlawl lynch? Who are you interested in lynching?

Consider my vote on peptobismlawl.


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SO MUCH IIOA
Andrius deserves a scumread for this post alone
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Also wtf is this?
In post 1302, Gamma Emerald wrote:@Cakez: I changed it when I unvoted you, silly.
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VOTE: pepto
I think zakk....might...be...town.
FORGIVE ME IF HES SCUM
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but yea that post makes andy look way waaaay townier

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Post Post #1363 (ISO) » Tue Oct 11, 2016 4:22 pm

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In post 1361, SlySly wrote:
In post 1245, PeregrineV wrote:At this point in the game, I am not for an Andrius lynch.
What are your thoughts on Andrius now?
if he can contribute like 1286 then andy's a bad lynch today. very bad

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Post Post #1364 (ISO) » Tue Oct 11, 2016 4:23 pm

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In post 1307, SirCakez wrote:I have a beautiful readslist for you all to admire

Town: Blade Dancer, House
Nulltown: zakk, PV, Magna, Sly
Null: Maxous, Creature, Nos, Accountant, Snarky, massive, Leonshade, Ankamius, Shiro (too many nulls ffs post you guys)
Nullscum: Gamma, Andrius, McMenno
Scum: Nahdia, Pepto
I think it's pretty safe to move Leonshade to town. Accountant can be at nulltown. Tell me if you disagree.
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Post Post #1365 (ISO) » Tue Oct 11, 2016 4:24 pm

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You know what actually I think it's safe to drop the pretenses.
Andrius, I scumread you for your soft because the character you softed is not likely to be pro-town. However, your lack of knowledge about the game means that you can't have softed that, at least not intentionally.
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Post Post #1366 (ISO) » Tue Oct 11, 2016 4:30 pm

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I'm out at the moment, but I'll be reading the game tonight. Keep the votes coming.
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Post Post #1367 (ISO) » Tue Oct 11, 2016 4:30 pm

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In post 1360, Nahdia wrote:But, you know, that's why I asked you why you think certain slots shouldn't be lynched Day 1. Since you brought it up and all.
It interests me that you're in such a hurry to lynch someone that can be an asset to the game over, say, McMenno (I can understand the reluctance on lynching Leon over 8 posts and being VLA).

If you're wrong on McMenno, it's less damaging to town than if you're wrong on Cakez, but you're all gung-ho on lynching Cakez with no actual reasons to point to.

Fake posts my ass, that reads like such a cop out excuse. There is nothing wrong with his posts that you can quantify as scummy, so you used a vague, subjective accusation and expect that to be enough to kill him.

I'm not buying it, and I'm not too happy with your thought processes here.
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Post Post #1368 (ISO) » Tue Oct 11, 2016 4:32 pm

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In post 1364, zakk wrote:I think it's pretty safe to move Leonshade to town.
Dude.

What even the fuck?
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Post Post #1369 (ISO) » Tue Oct 11, 2016 4:32 pm

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can somebody please explain what undertale is even about

there's all these font names like comic sans, papyrus, hachicro, 8 bit, etc and it confuses me

can someone type up a short summary of what happens so i don't have to know any character names, etc, i just want to know the basic flavor of it

someone said watch the ending and i'm like i thought it was a game, and then i google it and there's like a whole bunch of videos of different endings, and i'm just really really not into buying this game and playing it just so i can understand a little bit more about what everyone's half-crumbing half-saying

please

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Post Post #1370 (ISO) » Tue Oct 11, 2016 4:32 pm

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In post 1368, House wrote:
In post 1364, zakk wrote:I think it's pretty safe to move Leonshade to town.
Dude.

What even the fuck?
i think he's town, problem?
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Post Post #1371 (ISO) » Tue Oct 11, 2016 4:34 pm

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I'm more concerned with lynching scum than I am being gentle around players that are more pro-town.

I can quantify that he tried to make himself look towny by feigning hesitance/uncertainty and flopped miserably at it. Hence; fake.

p-edit: who cares dude it's jsut the flavor it doesn't matter.
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Post Post #1372 (ISO) » Tue Oct 11, 2016 4:34 pm

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In post 1370, zakk wrote:
In post 1368, House wrote:
In post 1364, zakk wrote:I think it's pretty safe to move Leonshade to town.
Dude.

What even the fuck?
i think he's town, problem?
Based on WHAT?
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Post Post #1373 (ISO) » Tue Oct 11, 2016 4:35 pm

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Scum:

Not Chara
House
Nahdia(giga)
zakk
Narna(Pepto)

Town:

Blade
MOI
Gamma
Maxous
Creature
Accountant
Andrius
McMenno

On The Town/Neutral Bubble:

SirCakez
PeregrineV
Leonshade

Neutral:

massive
Nosferatu
SnarkySnowman

Millers:

Ankamius (and hated)
Shiro
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Post Post #1374 (ISO) » Tue Oct 11, 2016 4:38 pm

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In post 1371, Nahdia wrote:I can quantify that he tried to make himself look towny by feigning hesitance/uncertainty and flopped miserably at it. Hence; fake.
That post you quoted with your snarky b/s?

That was glorified gut and 100% subjective.

And you want me to believe that one post is worth a death sentence?

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