Undertale Mafia: Friends & Corpses [GAME OVER]

[Not Chara]

@Not Chara,

I don't think I can.

McMenno is arguing that ascetic miller makes sense

because of event like things

. Even if there are no "events", it implies an unhealthy desire to protect Ankimaus.

i didn't realize they were talking about Ankimaus's roleclaim specifically.
i don't know it implies that. it isn't as if Ankimaus was being attacked for his claim in the least.
again, ignore that. pretty sure i know what McMenno was referring to.

[Blade Dancer]

Just wondering, how an ascetic miller works?

like an ascetic except for event-like things I imagine

McMenno here is replying explaining Ank's role, which is bad enough in and of itself.
Yet, if he's doing it with mechanics that don't exist, it's worse. It implies that McMenno would rush to Ank's aid without checking or caring about the accuracy of what he said.

[House]

@House – what about that replace out post says Town at all?

It's not that the post itself is towny, just that I can see why r/l things may be affecting her

town game

that I'm used to seeing, so I'm willing to give botd and wait for the replacement.

[House]

PeregrineV looks town right now, but I'll be more sure either way later on.

Why'd you have to roll scum bro?

[House]

@house,

What do you think of ultimately lynching Giga, Ank, Shiro, McMenno or Nosferatu today?

Giga - give the rep a chance
Ank - k
Shiro - idk yet
McMenno - idk yet
Nosferatu - he's in this game?

[Ankamius]

PeregrineV looks town right now, but I'll be more sure either way later on.

Why'd you have to roll scum bro?

I guarantee that I can read PeregrineV better than you can.

[Ankamius]

Also, anyone who seriously thinks that I'm an ascetic miller needs to go read my claim post again.

[Creature]

Oh I forgot

[House]

PeregrineV looks town right now, but I'll be more sure either way later on.

Why'd you have to roll scum bro?

I guarantee that I can read PeregrineV better than you can.

Nobody is reading him accurately by this point.

That you say you can is kinda my point.

[Ankamius]

@Not Chara,

I don't think I can.

McMenno is arguing that ascetic miller makes sense

because of event like things

. Even if there are no "events", it implies an unhealthy desire to protect Ankimaus.

i didn't realize they were talking about Ankimaus's roleclaim specifically.
i don't know it implies that. it isn't as if Ankimaus was being attacked for his claim in the least.
again, ignore that. pretty sure i know what McMenno was referring to.

Blade Dancer's just grasping at straws with this. The idea that McMenno specifically answered that question to 'protect' me is significantly less likely than answering a question about a role with two modifiers that don't make any sense paired with each other. The idea that there are possibilities within the setup to change things is a realistic possibility since the game has a lot of branching paths within it.

[Ankamius]

PeregrineV looks town right now, but I'll be more sure either way later on.

Why'd you have to roll scum bro?

I guarantee that I can read PeregrineV better than you can.

Nobody is reading him accurately by this point.

That you say you can is kinda my point.

Considering that it should've been pretty obvious that my read on him was an initial read and that I'd be looking to cement it later, I don't understand what your point is.

[McMenno]

@Not Chara,

I don't think I can.

McMenno is arguing that ascetic miller makes sense

because of event like things

. Even if there are no "events", it implies an unhealthy desire to protect Ankimaus.

i didn't realize they were talking about Ankimaus's roleclaim specifically.
i don't know it implies that. it isn't as if Ankimaus was being attacked for his claim in the least.
again, ignore that. pretty sure i know what McMenno was referring to.

for the record I'm not softing anything

[Gamma Emerald]

So thinking it over, Zakk presented a good reason for Cakez to be scum(which makes not voting Cakez really weird). Cakez had made a play that Zakk said was his scum play. He's also seemed generally scummy to me. I'm not as big on the Zakk wagon now so Cakez it is.
VOTE: SirCakez

[Maxous]

blade dancer is pushing/tunnelling on a fair amount of slots here.

i'm inclined to sort them out when we get a few flips to contextualise what exactly they're doing

[House]

PeregrineV looks town right now, but I'll be more sure either way later on.

Why'd you have to roll scum bro?

I guarantee that I can read PeregrineV better than you can.

Nobody is reading him accurately by this point.

That you say you can is kinda my point.

Considering that it should've been pretty obvious that my read on him was an initial read and that I'd be looking to cement it later, I don't understand what your point is.

Using PerV to make such a statement this early into the game wasn't a wise scum tactic, is my point.

[Ankamius]

I have more games with PeregrineV than anyone else on the site. Similarly, my accuracy in reading him is higher than my accuracy in reading anybody else on the site.

[House]

I have more games with PeregrineV than anyone else on the site. Similarly, my accuracy in reading him is higher than my accuracy in reading anybody else on the site.

Why is Not Chara scum?

[Blade Dancer]

I have more games with PeregrineV than anyone else on the site. Similarly, my accuracy in reading him is higher than my accuracy in reading anybody else on the site.

blade dancer is pushing/tunnelling on a fair amount of slots here.

i'm inclined to sort them out when we get a few flips to contextualise what exactly they're doing

Great, so what you're saying is that you'll wait and be passive rather than engaging to find out whether or not I am correct. That's very annoying.

[Leonshade]

Last post(s) before V/LA, so here's where my reads stand:

Scum

Gamma Emerald - As I've said before, I had a strong townread on Gamma in a previous game, whereas I really don't like him in this game. I don't like his defensiveness and his scumhunting doesn't look genuine to me.
Giga - A lot has been said about Giga, and I don't have the time to put too much time & effort into this post, so I'll just say that there's a lot Giga has done that I read as scummy (Magna's catch-up posts especially reminded me of a lot of smaller details that I had forgotten), but with him replacing out and my bad feeling about Gamma, he's not my #1 choice at the moment.
Pepto - Leaning scum, his entrance was bad and he doesn't seem to care about game solving.

Strong Null

McMenno - I can't read him at all.

Town

House
Maxous
zakk - Went from a solid SR to a TR, I don't see any scum motivation for his play, whereas his stated town motivation for his early play seems clear and makes a ton of sense.
SlySly - More "not scum" than any pro-town play, I don't see SlySly flipping scum.

I'm also not scumreading Accountant, and I remember townreading him, but my notetaking has been bad lately so I forgot why. Definitely not SRing him, though.

Others are either null or leaning in one direction, but not to a major extent.

[Gamma Emerald]

LOL
All I had to do that game was press my buddy, Leon.

[SnarkySnowman]

Slysly, I don't think that makes any sense, you're not considering a lot of possibilities that can absolutely lead to me having a grapevine to hear things from as town.

Here's what I'm considering.

1. My role PM has no mention of ANY grapevines.

If yours does have something about "grapevine(s)" my initial thought is you are scum.

which refers to

wagon the alt so people don't try to waste time and guess who it is

How do you know that player's an alt? Am I an alt?

I thought I heard that through the grapevine, but there's also the fact that they don't meet the 3 completed games requirement.

I assumed that because you had Mafia Scum as your title that you've at least played 3 games on this account, making you a main.

feels pretty off, even for early game.

Neighborhoods, having friends to talk to via PMs

Did you just claim neighbor?

Also fishing.

VOTE: Slysly

I feel like we could flavor this game.

Yes there are a limited number of scum roles.
There are also a stupid amount of possible fake claim roles. I had Sans and Mettaton as a fakeclaim in the undertale game I ran.

Let's not.

LOL, I get blamed for someone else suggesting they have inside knowledge prior to Day 1 starting and for calling out the "neighbor" they brought up. You guys are either scum or my gf.

Quote of the day!

So what's the flavor? I'm clueless about Undertale.

Go play it, it's like 6$ on steam. Make 1000% sure not to spoil it for yourself. Very worth it!!! One of the best indie games on the market.

zakk is great at faking scumhunting as scum
I wouldn't townread him for that yet

I agree. McMenno's scum with Giga, but no one's biting.

Let's help house sort Zakk.

VOTE: Zakk

Why?????

I am a miller you guys, let's get this fact out of the way.

Noted.

Well this game is off running, innit?

Sly trying to interpret "grapevine" as "scum PT" is reaching SUPER HARD and reads like trying to build a case out of nothing. I would vote him, but i'm unsure of the count and i don't want to put him at L-1 in 5 seconds of starting.

That makes Giga a townread by way of being a scum target.

Creature's #96 is non commital and i don't like it.

Don't PL the alt, that's dumb.

Null on everyone else, though blade dancer is my current top watched null read. Might need to wait for flips to sort him.

Pedit:

I forgot about this before because of the delay, but

my role has several different states it can have, and both Miller and Hated are part of those states.

By the same token, my role benefits from being on lynch wagons and hammering, so please be aware of this.

WHAT THE HELL

This is a scum as fuck catch up.

I completely disagree???

I forgot about this before because of the delay, but

my role has several different states it can have, and both Miller and Hated are part of those states.

By the same token, my role benefits from being on lynch wagons and hammering, so please be aware of this.

Ugh the claim

Pepto why assume it's town vs 1 scum team?

With the flavor, I thought the same thing.

Muahaha excellent my plan worked wonderfully

There aren't enough votes on me yet tho... More please

Get me to at least L-2, I have a super great surprise

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oh thoughts on mcmenno

none. can't read someone from 3 posts unless they're big posts with a lot of thought process behind them

Take a peak how people have interacted / acted towards him though, that's how I've read him so far.




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Through page 10 so far, here are current reads:

Town {Creature, Giga}
Townlean {Not Chara, McMenno, Pepto}
Nulltown {Ank}

Nullscum {Cakez}
Scumlean {House, Blade Dancer}
Scum {SlySly}

wtf the fuck {zakk}


Working on the rest after lunch I guess

[MagnaofIllusion]

VOTE: Pepto

I’d rather my vote was productive at this point. As I said the replace-out does nothing to adjust my scum read on Giga’s slot as the posts (which I’ve pointed out in my catch-up) that I found to show scum intent have nothing to do with being over-gamed or busy in real life.

My dislike of Not Chara’s slot grows with 702.

And Blade Dancer’s “McMenno’s RVS is a viable scum tell” argument that I would be willing to wager large amounts of money is going to be pretty much anecdotal as opposed to anything that actually is a tell. And yup I’m correct if 718 is supposed to be the support for it as a scum-tell.

@Ank

– re: 725 – OK thanks.

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I'm going to write here "catching up" but I make no promises of actually reading all of this. Maybe I'll just sheep Magna for the day.

Nah, you need to read.

Why would you sheep me anyway? It isn’t as if we have a long and illustrious history of playing together …

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Is it really spam posting if people are writing back? Magma do please try not to be an old codger. Thanks in advance.

But yes I generally agree that in most games I have played one of the top two or three posters is usually scum.

Yes, it is. Your posting on this page is a pure example. Those responses from 687 to 694 could all have been easily put into a single post. Same amount of content, 1/8th the thread length.

And I know very well you understand the fact that artificially long threads help to lose games for Town. In Adventure Mafia we talked in the Mafia PT Day 1 about how bloating the thread was a net benefit to scum as it made reviewing difficult to impossible.

And here you are – continuing to bloat and pretending it isn’t Pro-Scum.

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Magna: i really don't see Blade Dancer bussing. McMenno scum would mean Blade Dancer town.
you have a lot of experience with zakk? how are they as town?

1. Well first it would be distancing since no significant wagon has formed on McMenno but why don’t you think it is possible?
2. Why would McMenno scum mean Blade Dancer Town to you in a bastard closed set-up?
3. No. I have exactly one game – Sir Cakez’s Large Normal where we were scum together and lasted deep into the game. While I’m not going to read him based on a single game of meta (and he admits to changing up his game anyway so it would be pointless) certain tactics are going stick out to me that he used repeatedly in that game.

[SlySly]

did zakk ever end up reaching L-2?

No, and it was because of you, as I've already pointed out. You are gaining scum points.

VOTE: Gamma
will watch zakk, but for now i believe them.

Hmmm. Kinda sketchy to jump off this wagon at this point, especially when still implying some level of suspicion against him with "will watch zakk." Could be zackscum buddy, or could be scum scared of opening zakk's L-2 christmas present.

[zakk]

That's actually a good point about me using thread bloat in scum games, Magna. So are you scumreading me for that, then? Or just pointing it out so that others can?

P.S. Call me Santa Claus from now on please, SlySly

[Skullduggery]

Currently searching for a replacement for gigabyteTroubadour.