Undertale Mafia: Friends & Corpses [GAME OVER]

[Accountant]

Everything zakk said this page is AtE or flailing. We need to put him down right now.

[Gamma Emerald]

What page?

[Accountant]

Uhhh page 22, I didnt know I would make a new page

[Ankamius]

I'm at the bottom of page 10 and my level of indifference to what's going on is pretty similar to what I posted on that same page.

The vote count on page nine makes no sense with my current reads, so I'll have to apply context to what I'm seeing before they're really 'complete', but the way my reads are, zakk is below like 5 other people on the scum list.

[zakk]

I just finished reading page 6, and this zakk wagon is very unimpressive so far.

It's a fad that will die sooner or later. Or maybe the people on it are stubborn enough that it won't. Who knows.

If I die though, it will make one alignment VERY happy. I'll let you figure out which one that is.

[zakk]

Muahaha excellent my plan worked wonderfully

There aren't enough votes on me yet tho... More please

Get me to at least L-2, I have a super great surprise

tell me what you did that was exceptionally scummy on purpose, with your goal being to acquire votes, and i'll believe that you had a plan.

I didn't do anything exceptionally scummy.

I just did something exceptionally noticeable. Which was, making a lot of posts in a short period of time, throwing around my weight, rubbing people the wrong way, and in general, making statements which made as many people uncomfortable as possible in as short a time as possible, so people would have to react more than they wanted, and choose a side on an issue (my wagon, or someone else's, didn't matter) before they wanted to have to take sides on something.

To be honest it's working even better than I planned, with people straight out calling for my death, like Accountant.

I will say this: my wagon has definitely helped a lot of people generate a lot of reads. And for those of you that it hasn't helped, please try re-reading.

[Not Chara]

VOTE: Gamma
will watch zakk, but for now i believe them.

[House]

I just did something exceptionally noticeable. Which was, making a lot of posts in a short period of time, throwing around my weight, rubbing people the wrong way, and in general, making statements which made as many people uncomfortable as possible in as short a time as possible

Funny, I do that pretty much every game and get townread.

[Ankamius]

zakk and slysly are probably town

[Not Chara]

Accountant: i didn't really see flailing. perhaps some AtE, but not flailing.

[Ankamius]

4. House parroted SirCakes when SirCakes was being scummy, but SirCakes later clarified his position.

That said, what exactly was the point of this and what does it even mean?

[Skullduggery]

Day 1, Vote Count #9

Current Vote Count:

(7)

zakk -- House, Blade Dancer, SirCakez, Accountant, Gamma Emerald, Leonshade, gigabyteTroubadour

(0)

SirCakez

(1)

House -- SnarkySnowman

(0)

Maxous

(1)

Creature -- Nosferatu

(0)

PeregrineV

(0)

Blade Dancer

(0)

Shiro

(0)

MagnaofIllusion

(0)

Nosferatu

(1)

gigabyteTroubadour -- Maxous

(0)

Accountant

(0)

Not Chara

(0)

Ankamius

(2)

SlySly -- zakk, Peptobislawl

(0)

McMenno

(0)

SnarkySnowman

(2)

Peptobislawl -- McMenno, Ankamius

(2)

Gamma Emerald -- Creature, Not Chara

(0)

Leonshade

(0)

Andrius

(0)

massive

Not Voting:

PeregrineV, Shiro, MagnaofIllusion, SlySly, Andrius, massive

With 22 votes available, it takes 12 votes to hammer.

MagnaofIllusion is V/LA until 10/10.
Gamma Emerald is V/LA until 10/11.

Day 1 will end...eventually.
Countdown: 362478 days, 0 hours, 32 minutes

[House]

zakk and slysly are probably town

Pointing at two wagons and saying both are probably town is empty words.

Sly is probably town because of the people on his wagon, but zakk is full of townreads for me or I wouldn't be there.

[Blade Dancer]

Hey House, you're the reason why I am on Zakk.

Can we do Giga instead. McMenno would also be AWESOME!!!

[Blade Dancer]

Anky boy, who is scum?

[zakk]

I also want to address this post.

zakk is great at faking scumhunting as scum
I wouldn't townread him for that yet

I have played at least five or six games with SirCakez in the last year or so.
In every game where he is scum, he drums up the fact that I'm really good at scum, and that people shouldn't trust me.

Compare

:

Kuribo in Wonderland:

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... hilit=zakk

Street Fighter Mafia:

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... hilit=zakk

Mass Effect Mafia:

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... hilit=zakk

Magical Girls Mafia:

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... hilit=zakk

Look at the way he constantly doubtcasts me, but ESPECIALLY as scum.

Note that I am town in all of these scenarios.
The only time I've been scum around SirCakez is when we were scum

together

, here:

Killer Instinct Mafia:

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=66274

So throw that in the pot along with all the votes which have been influenced by SirCakez.

That's all.

[Ankamius]

zakk and slysly are probably town

Pointing at two wagons and saying both are probably town is empty words.

Sly is probably town because of the people on his wagon, but zakk is full of townreads for me or I wouldn't be there.

I look at the slysly wagon and see him as town because my two strongest scumreads up to that point are on the wagon, but the zakk townread is because I see all my townreads mixed with medium-strength scumreads.

Just a quick look at the current zakk wagon makes me even more sure that zakk is town, actually.

[Accountant]

Ankamius, who is the med-scum on zakk's wagon?

[SlySly]

The emphasis should have been on the one post he made, not the Miller claim.

Questioning a miller claim is pointless. Millers aren't gonna float to end game, very doubtful scum woud actually attempt that ride. Any miller that starts hammering or conveniently jumping to the easy wagons usually die in their sleep or a lynch if they wake up.

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We need to put him down right now.

What's the hurry?

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VOTE: Gamma
will watch zakk, but for now i believe them.

Hmmm. Kinda sketchy to jump off this wagon at this point, especially when still implying some level of suspicion against him with "will watch zakk." Could be zackscum buddy, or could be scum scared of opening zakk's L-2 christmas present.

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4. House parroted SirCakes when SirCakes was being scummy, but SirCakes later clarified his position.

That said, what exactly was the point of this and what does it even mean?

McMenno was blowing hot air. Blade called him on it. SirCakes seemed to scummily come to McM's defense. House "parroted", I should have said "piggy-backed" SirCake's scumminess. But SirCake then clarifies his definition to show his defense was more of a word than of McM.

McMenno: why didn't you feel the need to comment before voting pepto?

I don't fucking know

anyway, blade dancer, are you going to keep datamining my posts for reasons to scumread me? because I'm trying to get the actual scum here

as you can hopefully understand the average density of players in recent large themes has made be a bit miffed

Stop deflecting and trying to paint me as an unreasonable player on a witch hunt.

This is flailing.

No it's not

Truth.

Y'all have one messed up view of flailing. When the request is scumhunt, and the target responds with you're a big meanie that is flail and deflection.

That's not flailing, that's dodging and being annoying
I consider flailing to be when someone is being scunread widely and continues being scummy in response

[zakk]

I also want to address this post.

zakk is great at faking scumhunting as scum
I wouldn't townread him for that yet

I have played at least five or six games with SirCakez in the last year or so.
In every game where he is scum, he drums up the fact that I'm really good at scum, and that people shouldn't trust me.

Compare

:

Kuribo in Wonderland:

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... hilit=zakk

Street Fighter Mafia:

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... hilit=zakk

Mass Effect Mafia:

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... hilit=zakk

Magical Girls Mafia:

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... hilit=zakk

Look at the way he constantly doubtcasts me, but ESPECIALLY as scum.

Note that I am town in all of these scenarios.
The only time I've been scum around SirCakez is when we were scum

together

, here:

Killer Instinct Mafia:

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=66274

So throw that in the pot along with all the votes which have been influenced by SirCakez.

That's all.

Ah, sorry, I forgot to mention, he also modded this game, where I more or less manipulated the crap out of people, wiped the floor with the town, and was the last man standing.

New York 175: Adventure Mafia

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=66557

So yes, he has really good reason NOT to trust me, but it's just a little old because he pushes me as scum EVERY game, yet every game he's seen where I AM scum, I don't actually draw this kind of attention to myself and make things happen like they are in this game. I'm content to play the long game. It's just easier to win as scum that way lol.

Either you think I'm purposefully manipulating my scum meta to be able to make this one point, one time, in one game, against ONE person, or, you accept that I'm the kind of player that has worked out a strategy that's good for town, and a strategy that's good for scum, and I pretty much stick to it, since it's been yielding win after win after win.

Thinking I'm scum here is just ... dumb, for anyone who has played with me before. It's like REALLY dumb.

But let's see how this plays out. No sense pretending like something that may never happen has already happened. If you think I'm scum, or want to see what will happen at L-2, vote me. If you think I'm town, push another wagon.

And I don't see anyone else pushing any other wagons real hard ... which... *HINT HINT*... my scumbuddies or myself would be doing, if I were scum

[SlySly]

zakk's last 2 are pretty impressive.

[Ankamius]

Okay, I'm caught up.

Town:
Andrius
House
Leonshade
Maxous
McMenno
SirCakez
SlySly
zakk

Null:
Creature
Gamma Emerald
Nosferatu

Scum:
Accountant
Blade Dancer
Gigabytetroubadour
Not Chara
Peptobislawl

Everyone not listed anywhere hasn't done anything I particularly care about.

[zakk]

Next let's look at this one.

I might eventually join on SlySly (or not).

If you don't want to be lynched after him, you'll join.

Hi, I'm House.

UNVOTE:

What are you going to do about it?

I might eventually join on SlySly (or not).

I might spray battery acid in my eyes after reading your posts (or not).

Cool story bro. Are you voting SlySly? If not, why not?

I'm the one that started the wagon, remember?

VOTE: zakk

Not even tracking the wagon he's pushing.

So House didn't like that I threatened Creature with being lynched, and then he made a "show of power" or whatever by being like "what are you gonna do about it?"

And then when (since I don't particularly scum read house) I said I was going to lynch scum and eat corn flakes -- a veiled reference to this old (and bad) attempt at advertising in movies:



And then I started poking him and poking him and poking him, to see if he WAS scum, because why would he abandon the SlySly wagon to vote me, just because I wasn't keeping track of who all was voting who, on page what, 7 or something at the time? It all made no sense, and I needed more info. He still seems town to me though, but I was doing it for two reasons, to find out his alignment, and also to get him to OMGUS vote me and help out in pushing MY wagon. Because, if I couldn't push a bogus-ish SlySly wagon to use it to get votes (something I do all the time, just to see who will jump on, and when, and why?), then using my wagon for the same purposes is more than good enough, plus if it ends up going through, I don't accidentally lynch someone who's not to blame for playing risky, whereas if I die, I have nobody to blame but myself.

So unless anyone is gonna argue that these three posts in particular DON'T look like I'm intentionally using inflammatory language like 'thanks in advance champ' and 'that'd be great, except it's totally wrong' etc., then you should probably just concede my point that I'm doing it on purpose to rile him up.

Which I am. And he's pushing my wagon. And things are working beautifully.

This is what you call "using the tools you have been given to accomplish your own ends".
Not that you're a tool or anything, House.


Anywayyyy,
Me being "suspected" and "wagonable" and "perhaps even lynchable" has the noticeable side-effect of me being left alive longer than usual by scum, which is always a nice thing

[Ankamius]

Everyone in my scumlist are people I have significant scumreads on. The people in the null list are basically people I have scumreads on, but are insignificant enough that I'd probably be going for information over an actual lynch if I ever voted them.

Everyone in my townlist has either done :goodposting: in a lot of their posts, are town by association, or looked like town when engaging with one of my scumreads.

[zakk]

zakk's last 2 are pretty impressive.

Haha thanks. I figure I should begin dialing back on the assholery before I *actually* get myself lynched. Because that would help literally no one.