Mini 1830 - Game Over

[House]

You're right, I need to be less defeatist.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Square World

This post.

Alright, you can live for the time being.

I've been feeling icky about Victor for some time now.

VOTE: Victor

[House]

Defeatist vote on his buddy. He even admitted it later.

Also also, this could explain eager's overcompensatory "we still gonna win!" posting.

Red flip today will get you some serious town cred with me. No takesy backsies.

[House]

Where the holy hell IS everyone, anyway??

[Gamma Emerald]

Either in catch up phase or asleep, I'd guess. Might be time for me to hit the hay too.

[House]

Victor is at L-2, so no derphammering please and thank you.

[House]

Either in catch up phase or asleep, I'd guess. Might be time for me to hit the hay too.

Sleep well, scum!

Spoiler:

kidding!

[VictorDeAngelo]

>deflected?

I literally hard scumread square since mid day 1. And I was trying to get everyone to vote him instead of whoever they were voting? So wtf are you talking about. I wasn't protecting anyone. People were voting CCC, manuel, gamma and I tried to get them to vote square instead. so that read is bullshit

Yes, square was the one scumread you pushed, I won't dispute that. However you didn't try to derail the other wagons.

You liked the case on CCC although you constantly said you wouldn't vote for him, which is pretty yuck in and of itself.
You were pretty much ready to hammer to Manuel.
Not sure where Gamma was properly wagoned, though everyone suspected him.
Yet, my vote on eager was the only one you seemed to pull away.

First paragraph

1.) I did say I liked the case on CCC, but I also said I liked the responses that CCC gave, so you blatantly just lied and left that part out to try and make me look scummy.
2.)Like I said, I was thinking about hammering Manuel, but I never did because I wanted square instead, so that logic is bad by you. You make it seem like I was about to hammer him.
3.4) So you're pretty much blamining me for you changing your vote from eager to square????? WHen You fos'd him too? THAT is your argument? That I made you change YOUR vote, so I am scum. Even though I appealed to EVERYONE to vote square?? That's such bad logic, which is why I am pretty sure you have to be mafia. How would town have shit logic like that??

1) You liked the case and responses. I saw that but I don't see why that's relevent. Fencesit is fencesit. If you liked the case you should have been prepared to vote him. Did you try to derail, no. I don't see it. If you want to quote where you fought the CCC wagon (beyond meekly saying let's lynch Square World) show me?

2) Alright on closer reflection perhaps your right. One question though, why do you assume this is bad logic rather than me being scummy? You think I'm scum so why not accuse me of lying. A slip perhaps?

3) ?????

4) We already discussed this. Eager was the likely wagon going to completion. I'll admit I shouldn't have changed but I hold my hands up to that. There is a lot of scum value in splitting the wagons at that point and getting split if you thought you could get a Manuel lynch instead and still get towncred of not being the wagon. If you had a second buddy on the Manuel wagon it's also likely you would want to stay off rather than hammer yourself. Snake being on L-3 would have made him a viable alternative

"sweet omgus" beause you've outed no read for why im mafia. you literally have no reason to fos me. When others TR eager as well, and others SR square as well. You said i was deflecting votes, but I was deflecting votes off everyone, not just eager

You wouldn't know my reasons, because you asked for an explanation @ 20:00 and then voted 20:01 and creating a reason that isn't true.

So yeah, it gives me a lot more confidence I'm not barking up the wrong tree.

Also, I TR eager based on his town and reads. The same reason i began to TR house as well

I believe i did the same for grendel too. so, again, your logic makes no sense once more. Because I did it to others more than eager. So please try again. Why am I mafia?

1) Generic reason is generic.

2) These three players had different reads, no way you could be townreading them all for this same reason. This is just wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong....

Also, I fos'd House's slot, before he switched in, and then house was more townie than Rzarh or w/e his name was. Which is why I tr him. You're saying it's bad reasons, yet what would be the reason for me to flip my reads there if I was just bullshitting fake reads that are generic.

Before you said the read was based on his town (sic) and reads. Now it's just based on his towniness.
And yes, saying I townread him because he was townie is a cop out answer. Again, generic reason is generic.
As to the why, Rhahz was under pressure yesterday, and looked like a viable end of day lynch. House on the other hand did not. He's more experienced and was more active. Switching a read here makes perfect for scum.

[VictorDeAngelo]

Hm. I did notice he did whiteknight me once,

1

and I think his interactions late Day 1 with Eager could be that of a scumbuddy.

2

Since the CCC lynch is obviously not happening:
VOTE: Victor

1

- Where did this happen?

2

- Explain this?

[House]

I'm sure I did, but it's too late, and I'm not bothering to self ISO myself nor your case. IIRC your case was mostly just signs that CCC doesn't play in a way that you expect town to. Looking over his last games he seems to be a newish player, with a somewhat unconventional playstyle. I didn't find anything incriminating and your strongest point was actually CCC correcting a mistake I made.

Terrible.

I'm coming for you if we have a single town flip between these two.

If you're that confident in your read on me, stop messing around with lynchbait and come at me now.

[VictorDeAngelo]

Gives a townread on me and Grendrl but doesn't explain. This could be an issue of default scum x-ray reads, where their reads come from their knowledge of who is who, and not any actual towntells.

I liked Grendel's early activity and the fact he got stuck in sooner than other people. In my experience, that tends to come from town. And as I said before I omitted a lot of explanations from the early game to see what reactions I get. Players asking me about my read, leads to dialogue, which leads to more interactions, etc and the game starts flowing naturally. Obviously, it was far than a set in stone at the time (although Grendel still remains a townread).

You don't

have

to interact with someone to assess them.

You don't even know how Huntress came to that opinion, so why are you so quick to defend her?

Does she need your help?

You asked her about this before anyone else had the chance. And now you try to forge an associative link because Gamma essentially didn't repeat your question.

Also I /barn Gamma's original point here. You don't have to interact with something to assess them, particularly in this case.

Second segment: whiteknights my statement.

I disagreed with House and agreed with your post. Do you think House has a fair question here? Was it valid to create a link between you and Huntress?

I seem to be 13 pages behind, so this will be more of a catch up post than I suspected...

@House

You didn't answer this:

Also also... you haven't even interacted with CCC... Meeeehhhhhhh

Not a good look.

Why are you so concerned about Huntress interactions at this point?

In fact I don't think you responded to anything in 565, which is odd.

Okay so

@House

Yes, I like your case on CCC. But, I have to admit CCC has had great responses to your points, do you not think he might be town at all? Or at least rethinking your fos a bit?

I'm still happy with my vote, hence where it remains.

He's acting the same way he did in Arctic Mafia, buy the thing is, he SHOULD have improved since Arctic Mafia on some level if he had actually taken the advice he received.

Absolute crap. This is just a poor excuse for ignoring meta.

I find the number of townreads I have left in this game is diminishing. However, for the sake of coming to a conclusion I'm going to split you all into will vote won't vote piles:

Won't vote: Grendel, CCC, Manuel, The_Jester, Gamma, Gerry, Huntress
Would vote: House, EagerSnake, Square World

Square is preferred lynch but that's not happening. Neither is House. So eager it is:

UNVOTE:
VOTE: EagerSnake

[/spoiler]
Defeatist vote on his buddy. He even admitted it later.

You can't just say it's a vote on a buddy because I voted Snake and he flipped red.

[House]

You can't just say it's a vote on a buddy because I voted Snake and he flipped red.

That's not at all what he said.

It ain't what you did. It's how you undid it.

[House]

I'm surprised Victor would open the door to bring this back again, but here it is:

You're right, I need to be less defeatist.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Square World

This post.

[VictorDeAngelo]

I preferred a Square World lynch, it was a mistake. But I don't see how that makes me buddies with eager.

[House]

I need to be less defeatist.

Also, I thought you were ignoring me?

[VictorDeAngelo]

I need to be less defeatist.

I said that. I don't see how that makes me scum with eager.

Also, I thought you were ignoring me?

I wasn't really ignoring. Merely hoping you stop posting as much. It didn't seem to work.

[House]

I need to be less defeatist.

I said that. I don't see how that makes me scum with eager.

Also, I thought you were ignoring me?

I wasn't really ignoring. Merely hoping you stop posting as much. It didn't seem to work.

So much for my assumption that you knew how I played!

[House]

I said that. I don't see how that makes me scum with eager.

That's okay, town can figure it out easily enough.

Guilt clouds the mind, ya know.

[VictorDeAngelo]

I need to be less defeatist.

I said that. I don't see how that makes me scum with eager.

Also, I thought you were ignoring me?

I wasn't really ignoring. Merely hoping you stop posting as much. It didn't seem to work.

So much for my assumption that you knew how I played!

You should know better than making assumptions

I said that. I don't see how that makes me scum with eager.

That's okay, town can figure it out easily enough.

Guilt clouds the mind, ya know.

You said you were going to come for me. Make your case!

[House]

You said you were going to come for me. Make your case!

Don't need to. Gamma already rested his.

[VictorDeAngelo]

You said you were going to come for me. Make your case!

Don't need to. Gamma already rested his.

Hang on, so you think Gamma is my scumbuddy.

But you trust him enough to push my wagon for you. That makes no sense.

With a three point case based on me having an early townread on Gamma, supposed WKing when I bascially agreed with him once and my voting eager at point which would make no sense as scum. It's easy for me to dismantle, yet you don't have anything to add.

My townread on you is gone.

[House]

K

[gerryoat]

Spoiler:

(by the way, 1290 was a reaction test. I expected you to double down on your suspicions of me if you were town and accuse me of forcing a false dichotomy... You fail the test.

But by all means, continue your assault!)

I thought the same thing. That if he was town he'd actually scumread you more for that. But, he kinda looked like he was trying to worm himself out of a lynch and then vote the opposite person rather than himself.

[House]

Spoiler:

(by the way, 1290 was a reaction test. I expected you to double down on your suspicions of me if you were town and accuse me of forcing a false dichotomy... You fail the test.

But by all means, continue your assault!)

I thought the same thing. That if he was town he'd actually scumread you more for that. But, he kinda looked like he was trying to worm himself out of a lynch and then vote the opposite person rather than himself.

Keep reading, it gets better.

[gerryoat]

I preferred a Square World lynch, it was a mistake. But I don't see how that makes me buddies with eager.

hahahahaha

It's funny cause this is his

EXACT

case on me. Yet, when I said that to him, he still said I was maf

[gerryoat]

gamma, one thing. If you scumread house, why are you trying to plead to him as if you know he's town?? Also being so willing to give into what he wants, just gives off the wrong vibes.