Mini 1830 - Game Over

CCC · Post Post #1075 (ISO) » Wed Sep 28, 2016 5:47 am

Okay, so:

Eagersnake was Mafia.
Square World wasn't.

How does this change things?

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Eagersnake

voted for: Gamma Emerald (then jumped off his wagon really quickly)
VictorDeAngelo (debating whether to vote him or Rhazh-now-House)
(At this point, Eager started the exchanging-reads game with Grendel. He asked Grendel to pay special attention to: VictorDeAngelo, CCC, and Manuel87. In turn, at Grendel's request, he provided reads on VictorDeAngelo, gerryoat, and RhazhBash.)

Square World

RhazhBash
Huntress

Square World

(based on Manuel's posts)
Manuel

Square World

House

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Square World

voted for:
CCC
Manuel87
gerryoat

eagerSnake

Manuel87

eagerSnake

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eager voted for a lot of players. The players Eager never voted for, aside from himself, are:

CCC
The_Jester
gerryoat
Grendel

The players who voted for eager's lynch are:

House
Huntress
Manuel87

Square World

Gamma Emerald
Grendel

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This makes Gamma, Manuel, Huntress and House far likelier to be Town than any of my day one reads; eager voted for all of them, and all of them collaborated on his lynch. Manuel, I think, is the most likely Town of them all; eager pushed him very close to a lynch, and really risked the possibility of a lynch happening before he, eager, could withdraw his vote.

House · Post Post #1076 (ISO) » Wed Sep 28, 2016 6:04 am

In post 1074, Gamma Emerald wrote:Well that explains what he said.

What did he say that his death explains?

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #1077 (ISO) » Wed Sep 28, 2016 6:07 am

He said he wasn't a full roleblocker. The flip explains what he fully meant.

VictorDeAngelo · Post Post #1078 (ISO) » Wed Sep 28, 2016 6:10 am

In post 1075, CCC wrote:Okay, so:

Eagersnake was Mafia.
Square World wasn't.

How does this change things?

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Eagersnake
voted for: Gamma Emerald (then jumped off his wagon really quickly)
VictorDeAngelo (debating whether to vote him or Rhazh-now-House)
(At this point, Eager started the exchanging-reads game with Grendel. He asked Grendel to pay special attention to: VictorDeAngelo, CCC, and Manuel87. In turn, at Grendel's request, he provided reads on VictorDeAngelo, gerryoat, and RhazhBash.)

Square World

RhazhBash
Huntress

Square World
(based on Manuel's posts)
Manuel

Square World

House

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Square World
voted for:
CCC
Manuel87
gerryoat

eagerSnake

Manuel87

eagerSnake

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eager voted for a lot of players. The players Eager never voted for, aside from himself, are:

CCC
The_Jester
gerryoat
Grendel

The players who voted for eager's lynch are:

House
Huntress
Manuel87

Square World

Gamma Emerald
Grendel

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This makes Gamma, Manuel, Huntress and House far likelier to be Town than any of my day one reads; eager voted for all of them, and all of them collaborated on his lynch. Manuel, I think, is the most likely Town of them all; eager pushed him very close to a lynch, and really risked the possibility of a lynch happening before he, eager, could withdraw his vote.

I agree that with eager's flip Manuel is likely town, given how hard snake pushed that wagon. I also believe House is likely town as well based on interactions with snake. However I don't get why your so keen is essentially townclear anyone who was both voted for and was voted by eager. Did scum not vote scum is either of your previous games? Are you not familiar with bussing?

Also, why are you concerned with SquareWorld's voting pattern?

House · Post Post #1079 (ISO) » Wed Sep 28, 2016 6:22 am

In post 1077, Gamma Emerald wrote:He said he wasn't a full roleblocker. The flip explains what he fully meant.

You sure seem cued up on the NK.

Gamma is back on the table as scum. Yesterday could have been a bus to buy towncred because he knew I wasn't going to stop until eager was dead anyway.

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #1080 (ISO) » Wed Sep 28, 2016 6:28 am

Bleh. I'm sure I could have said that better, but I said what I meant. I was interested in his statement, so seeing his flip would obviously pique my interest.

House · Post Post #1081 (ISO) » Wed Sep 28, 2016 6:29 am

In post 1080, Gamma Emerald wrote:Bleh. I'm sure I could have said that better, but I said what I meant. I was interested in his statement, so seeing his flip would obviously pique my interest.

Yeah. Why so interested in the outed PR claim?

CCC · Post Post #1082 (ISO) » Wed Sep 28, 2016 6:31 am

In post 1078, VictorDeAngelo wrote:I agree that with eager's flip Manuel is likely town, given how hard snake pushed that wagon. I also believe House is likely town as well based on interactions with snake. However I don't get why your so keen is essentially townclear anyone who was both voted for and was voted by eager. Did scum not vote scum is either of your previous games? Are you not familiar with bussing?

I am familiar with bussing, yes. I'm not townclearing those four people I mentioned; I'm just getting a stronger Townread off them than any of the reads I had on day one. (In counterpoint, I'm thinking that the other four players - that is, The_Jester, gerryoat, VictorDeAngelo and Grendel - are probably the right place to start looking for scum).

In post 1078, VictorDeAngelo wrote:Also, why are you concerned with SquareWorld's voting pattern?

Mainly because he's the only player (other than myself) that I know to be definitely Town. Therefore, his votes were (presumably) for people he honestly thought were scum. He may have been wrong, but I can trust that he wasn't being

deceptive

.

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After some consideration, I'm thinking I should order the current players (based on current impressions) from Towniest to Mafiaest like so:

CCC
Manuel87
House
Huntress
Gamma Emerald
Grendel
VictorDeAngelo
The_Jester and gerry_oat (there is little to distinguish these two from each other)

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #1083 (ISO) » Wed Sep 28, 2016 6:33 am

In post 1081, House wrote:
In post 1080, Gamma Emerald wrote:Bleh. I'm sure I could have said that better, but I said what I meant. I was interested in his statement, so seeing his flip would obviously pique my interest.
Yeah. Why so interested in the outed PR claim?

I didn't know what it meant.

House · Post Post #1084 (ISO) » Wed Sep 28, 2016 6:35 am

To be clear, Gamma... you hopping off eager's wagon is what renewed my suspicion of you. It was a clear distancing attempt after being called out on your scum theater with him.

You getting back on the wagon

after a counterclaim

does not make you town.

VOTE: Gamma

House · Post Post #1085 (ISO) » Wed Sep 28, 2016 6:37 am

In post 1082, CCC wrote:After some consideration, I'm thinking I should order the current players (based on current impressions) from Towniest to Mafiaest like so:

CCC
Manuel87
House
Huntress
Gamma Emerald
Grendel
VictorDeAngelo
The_Jester and gerry_oat (there is little to distinguish these two from each other)

This reads list is trash and I'm coming for your head next.

VictorDeAngelo · Post Post #1086 (ISO) » Wed Sep 28, 2016 6:37 am

I have to admit I don't understand you CCC. However I kinda think you might be town. It helps that the guy at the bottom of your list is the same guy I wanted to open with today:

VOTE: gerryoat

House · Post Post #1087 (ISO) » Wed Sep 28, 2016 6:40 am

In post 1086, VictorDeAngelo wrote:I have to admit I don't understand you CCC. However I kinda think you might be town. It helps that the guy at the bottom of your list is the same guy I wanted to open with today:

VOTE: gerryoat

Everybody was wrong about Manuel, and you're wrong about gerry.

Vote the obvscum so we can finish this game please. I'd like a perfect town win on this one.

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #1088 (ISO) » Wed Sep 28, 2016 6:43 am

In post 1084, House wrote:To be clear, Gamma... you hopping off eager's wagon is what renewed my suspicion of you. It was a clear distancing attempt after being called out on your scum theater with him.

You getting back on the wagon
after a counterclaim
does not make you town.

VOTE: Gamma

No. I believed his claim until he was CCed. Look at what I said during twilight.

VictorDeAngelo · Post Post #1089 (ISO) » Wed Sep 28, 2016 6:46 am

In post 1087, House wrote:
In post 1086, VictorDeAngelo wrote:I have to admit I don't understand you CCC. However I kinda think you might be town. It helps that the guy at the bottom of your list is the same guy I wanted to open with today:

VOTE: gerryoat
Everybody was wrong about Manuel, and you're wrong about gerry.

Vote the obvscum so we can finish this game please. I'd like a perfect town win on this one.

Hey, I wasn't wrong about Manuel, I was wrong about SquareWorld

Let's assume your wrong on at least one of Gamma/CCC. What's your current read on Gerry?

House · Post Post #1090 (ISO) » Wed Sep 28, 2016 6:46 am

In post 1088, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 1084, House wrote:To be clear, Gamma... you hopping off eager's wagon is what renewed my suspicion of you. It was a clear distancing attempt after being called out on your scum theater with him.

You getting back on the wagon
after a counterclaim
does not make you town.

VOTE: Gamma
No. I believed his claim until he was CCed. Look at what I said during twilight.

His claim was a desperation tactic. I nearly countered it, myself.

House · Post Post #1091 (ISO) » Wed Sep 28, 2016 6:48 am

In post 1089, VictorDeAngelo wrote:
In post 1087, House wrote:
In post 1086, VictorDeAngelo wrote:I have to admit I don't understand you CCC. However I kinda think you might be town. It helps that the guy at the bottom of your list is the same guy I wanted to open with today:

VOTE: gerryoat
Everybody was wrong about Manuel, and you're wrong about gerry.

Vote the obvscum so we can finish this game please. I'd like a perfect town win on this one.
Hey, I wasn't wrong about Manuel, I was wrong about SquareWorld

Let's assume your wrong on at least one of Gamma/CCC. What's your current read on Gerry?

I'm not wrong about Gamma.

If I'm wrong about CCC, I'm coming for you over gerry.

I feel pretty good about my CCC read though.

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #1092 (ISO) » Wed Sep 28, 2016 6:50 am

You are wrong about me though.

House · Post Post #1093 (ISO) » Wed Sep 28, 2016 6:53 am

In post 1092, Gamma Emerald wrote:You are wrong about me though.

You asked me to consider CCC scum with eager (which I was already tuned in on as a possibility), where is your interest in him today?

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #1094 (ISO) » Wed Sep 28, 2016 6:56 am

I forgot about that. Thanks for reminding me. I'm not saying it's confirmed though: just a connection I made.
VOTE: CCC

House · Post Post #1095 (ISO) » Wed Sep 28, 2016 6:57 am

I can vote here too.

VOTE: CCC

House · Post Post #1096 (ISO) » Wed Sep 28, 2016 6:58 am

In post 1094, Gamma Emerald wrote:I forgot about that. Thanks for reminding me. I'm not saying it's confirmed though: just a connection I made.
VOTE: CCC

Explain the connection you made, please.

It's obviously very different from my own suspicion.

VictorDeAngelo · Post Post #1097 (ISO) » Wed Sep 28, 2016 6:58 am

In post 1091, House wrote:
I'm not wrong about Gamma.

If I'm wrong about CCC, I'm coming for you over gerry.

I feel pretty good about my CCC read though.

I'm not going to argue your Gamma read. I could easily see EagerSnake/Gamma/Gerry as a team.

However, unless there's anything more than you presented yesterday, I think your case against CCC is more noobtells than scumtells.

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #1098 (ISO) » Wed Sep 28, 2016 7:02 am

@House it's very simple: Eager was chainsaw defending his buddy.

House · Post Post #1099 (ISO) » Wed Sep 28, 2016 7:02 am

In post 1097, VictorDeAngelo wrote:However, unless there's anything more than you presented yesterday, I think your case against CCC is more noobtells than scumtells.

When have I ever given complete reasoning without compelling reason to so?