Mini Normal 1829 - Game Over

[gigabyteTroubadour]

Okay let's just consider this for a second.
IF nero shot me and I was protected by scum doc, it means I am scum.

Consider this

6) A mafia member can only carry out his faction kill, or his individual ability, but not both.

If the scum doc protected me N1, he would protect me N2 as well.
Which means I did the kill, but only I didn't! I investigated Kraska.

^this is why i'm hesitating, Elyse

he could have fakeclaimed vanilla cop, but what's with the Kraska investigation? A lucky guess??

[kraska77]

X_X

[gigabyteTroubadour]

ok wait

if shadow is town, then town has 3 clears, right? As in Nero, Elyse, and Kraska, because it's unlikely that the scumteam composition is Goon/Goon/Roleblocker, and scum vigs are bastard (Nero is unlikely a serial killer because of his choice in kills). If Shadow is town, it's probably Goon/1-Shot RB (maybe more? rb is pretty powerful so idk)/Doctor, which means that Elyse and Kraska are both town.

I know for a fact I'm town, so we'll most likely come into MYLO with 3 clears fmpov if shadow is a mislynch. That's not TOO bad, right?

Sorry I did not get the chance to talk about my Kraska or Michel reads. I will put that on my to-do list today.

[gigabyteTroubadour]

^ And if that is true, then the scumteam is confirmed (at least from my pov) to be one of Michel/Karnos, Karnos/Thor, or Thor/Michel if Shadow is town. I don't see the downside of this.

So

Michel, Thor, and Karnos

: If shadow is town, which of the teams do you think it is? Replace your name with mine in the teams above for the possible combinations from your perspective. If you disagree with the clearing of Elyse and Kraska from a Shadow town flip, I'd like to know why. Ty~

[Shadow_step]

ok wait

if shadow is town, then town has 3 clears, right? As in Nero, Elyse, and Kraska, because it's unlikely that the scumteam composition is Goon/Goon/Roleblocker, and scum vigs are bastard (Nero is unlikely a serial killer because of his choice in kills). If Shadow is town, it's probably Goon/1-Shot RB (maybe more? rb is pretty powerful so idk)/Doctor, which means that Elyse and Kraska are both town.

I know for a fact I'm town, so we'll most likely come into MYLO with 3 clears fmpov if shadow is a mislynch. That's not TOO bad, right?

Sorry I did not get the chance to talk about my Kraska or Michel reads. I will put that on my to-do list today.

Why do you want to take these risks when we can lynch scum today?

[kraska77]

In my heart of hearts I still feel shadow is town
But neros claim makes me waffle

[gigabyteTroubadour]

Why do you want to take these risks when we can lynch scum today?

Your pool is {Me, Karnos, Michel, Thor}. Who is scum??

[Shadow_step]

Why are you putting yourself in my pool?

[gigabyteTroubadour]

Why are you putting yourself in my pool?

From your pov, everyone else is confirmed town.

[Shadow_step]

Yeah, but I've already said it's most likely karnos/thor, blitz being scum with you doesn't make a lot of sense. There is no way you are getting lynched before Karnos.

[gigabyteTroubadour]

Yeah, but I've already said it's most likely karnos/thor, blitz being scum with you doesn't make a lot of sense. There is no way you are getting lynched before Karnos.

lemme ask more directly then:

What do you think is Michel? Besides PoE town, of course.

[Shadow_step]

Yeah, but I've already said it's most likely karnos/thor, blitz being scum with you doesn't make a lot of sense. There is no way you are getting lynched before Karnos.

lemme ask more directly then:

What do you think is Michel? Besides PoE town, of course.

Not sure tbh, he seems detached and uninterested in the game. I'm used to people who play like this when they get VT.

[karnos]

^ And if that is true, then the scumteam is confirmed (at least from my pov) to be one of Michel/Karnos, Karnos/Thor, or Thor/Michel if Shadow is town. I don't see the downside of this.

So

Michel, Thor, and Karnos

: If shadow is town, which of the teams do you think it is? Replace your name with mine in the teams above for the possible combinations from your perspective. If you disagree with the clearing of Elyse and Kraska from a Shadow town flip, I'd like to know why. Ty~

This doesn't make sense. Shadow is being scum read for a variety of reasons, but the nail in the coffin is the intended vig kill on day 1 that didn't go through.

If shadow flips town, then nero was obviously playing a scum gambit (SK possibly) and needs to be lynched.

But shadow probably won't flip town.

[chilledtea]

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT 3.06

Shadow_step (L-2) : karnos, MichelSableheart, Elyse.

karnos (L-3) : Shadow_step, kraska77.

Thor665 (L-4) : Nero Cain.

Not Voting (2) : Thor665, gigabyteTroubadour.

Day will end in (expired on 2016-10-01 18:30:00)

[karnos]

This shouldn't be hard. if you believe nero, lynch shadow. If nero is lying, then he gets lynched tomorrow.

The question just becomes who is shadow's partner, or in the fantasy-land world where nero is scum playing a gambit, who is nero's partner?

[karnos]

I could see Thor being shadow's partner, seems like a more lurky Thor than usual, and he made some weird comments about keeping shadow alive that I find very scummy, because logically scum would just night kill shadow if we were keeping him alive to investigate people.

Nero, if you want to vig me tonight that is cool. My flip will add some weight to my reads, and I do not want there to be any chance of idiot town trying to lynch me tomorrow instead of the last scum.

[gigabyteTroubadour]

no??

that's not how anything works??

We don't know FOR SURE that the scumteam protected Shadow, Nero could have been roleblocked. So they can BOTH be town...

Also, nero isn't a serial killer because A: That's not balanced, and B: His Gerry kill comes from a vig, no questions asked.... Gerry was literally the next lynch, so why not kill someone who is scummy enough to be a vig shot but not next-in-line to be lynched? Doesn't make sense.

also karnos he's out of shots

[Shadow_step]

I could see Thor being shadow's partner, seems like a more lurky Thor than usual, and he made some weird comments about keeping shadow alive that I find very scummy, because logically scum would just night kill shadow if we were keeping him alive to investigate people.

Nero, if you want to vig me tonight that is cool. My flip will add some weight to my reads, and I do not want there to be any chance of idiot town trying to lynch me tomorrow instead of the last scum.

(distancing)

[karnos]

no??

that's not how anything works??

We don't know FOR SURE that the scumteam protected Shadow, Nero could have been roleblocked. So they can BOTH be town...

Also, nero isn't a serial killer because A: That's not balanced, and B: His Gerry kill comes from a vig, no questions asked.... Gerry was literally the next lynch, so why not kill someone who is scummy enough to be a vig shot but not next-in-line to be lynched? Doesn't make sense.

also karnos he's out of shots

This is wrong on every level, really reinforces my scum read on you. Thor could be scum, but dammit how could town!giga get so many things wrong?

>We don't know FOR SURE that the scumteam protected Shadow, Nero could have been roleblocked. So they can BOTH be town...

You were arguing earlier that scum definitely has a doctor. So they have doctor and a roleblocker, and the roleblocker hit the jackpot on night 1, you think? If the scum won the lottery like that, just let them have the win. It's much more likely that shadow is just scum and it's a bit more likely that nero could be pulling a gambit.

>Also, nero isn't a serial killer because A: That's not balanced

You have no idea what is balanced or not. You don't know what roles the scum have, and you don't know what roles any of the players have. You have a few claims, but unless you have some magical power to see truth out of lies, you don't know what is real.

>B: His Gerry kill comes from a vig, no questions asked.... Gerry was literally the next lynch, so why not kill someone who is scummy enough to be a vig shot but not next-in-line to be lynched? Doesn't make sense.

Your logic doesn't make sense. A SK doesn't win with scum. SK needs to kill scummy players just the same as towny players. Gerry also allows for a vig claim gambit. I'm not saying this is likely, but if shadow is town, then yeah this is what it is probably.

>also karnos he's out of shots

Why does this BS keep getting repeated?

The wiki is clear in that it says there is no consistent rule on how that works. He might have shots because the kill was prevented.

[gigabyteTroubadour]

i'd rather be dealing with gerry at this point

[gigabyteTroubadour]

karnos

find me a mini normal with 3 scum and a serial killer

ty

[gigabyteTroubadour]

3 mafia/group scum*

[karnos]

karnos

find me a mini normal with 3 scum and a serial killer

ty

So you know there are 3 scum in the game? Very interesting.

Why couldn't it be 2 scum and an SK?

[gigabyteTroubadour]

I thought all mini normals have 3 mafia?

[karnos]

Games run in the Normal Queue should satisfy the following rules:
All games must be reviewed for balance
The game should have at least one Mafia or Werewolf group (of at least two members). A second anti-town group can be given a separate Mafia family name, or can be a Werewolf group. There should be no more than two mafia/werewolf factions, and no more than one Serial Killer.


I see nothing that forbids it.