Mini 500 - Cult Mafia - Game Over!

[Oman]

Vote Nolynch

Well MoS, its not our choice (unless you're the vig).

[Mastermind of Sin]

It *IS* our choice. If the vig doesn't act correctly, we can lose the game. You know this as well as anyone. By dropping an offhand comment like that, you secure the possibility that maybe the vig trusts you over me for some completely ridiculous reason, thereby listening to you and losing the game for us by killing tonight after we no lynch. It's a risky gambit, but you've been fairly obvious about being scum for some time now. You're not really trying to hide it anymore.

[vollkan]

It doesn't matter that it isn't our choice. The fact remains that you said No Vig was "dubious", clearly evincing that you didn't think the No Vigging was a good idea. As MoS said, and as I have shown through the numbers, a No Lynch with a misvig is utterly dreadful.

Anyway, we've seen the numbers. Our best bet is to No Lynch and No Vig.

Vote: No Lynch

[Guardian]

No lynch (50%) occurs...

send in night choice, you have 3 days.
Day will start sooner if I get them sooner.

[Guardian]

You all find

Oman, vigilante

, dead in a pool of blood. His gun is out of bullets, and his shooting days are over.

Day four, five alive means three to lynch.

[Trojan Horse]

Okay, I am in deep shock right now, for two reasons:

1. that Oman was the vig (not only did I think he was scum, but why would the vig say that he was willing to mass claim?)
2. that the scum chose to kill him, considering he is the one person the rest of us were suspecting to be scum.

Also, I would just like to point out that if there is a cultie out there right now, the town has lost, unless the scum are kindly enough to kill the cultie off tonight. This is the main reason I didn't want to no lynch- it doesn't leave us enough time to lynch both of the scum and the cultie. Anyway, it's too late now. I'm going to assume that there is no cultie around, since we have very little hope if there is.

Next, NOBODY VOTE until we have all agreed on who should be lynched. A quick-lynch would end the game for us. Until we've agreed on a target, we need to rely on FoSes.

Finally, should we mass-claim now? No more vig to protect, so I think there's no reason not to.

[Trojan Horse]

By the way: because vollkan hammered no lynch 6 minutes after Oman added his vote, and because he hammered before pwayne had a chance to weigh in on the no lynch plan...

MegaFoS: vollkan

[pwayne66]

Well, we lost the Roleblocker and the Vig, so that means that there are either no other power roles, or that there is as many as two other power roles.

With 5 left, that means a even with a successful lynch puts us (WCS): 2-1-1 and then a NK of town makes the town lose. If the mafia NK the cultie, 2-1 and we go to day 5.
A mislynch basically seals the deal though: 1-1-2. If we assume there is a cultie, I say yes to claim.

With no cultie, and a succesful lynch, 3-1. A NK, makes 2-1 and a mexican standoff at the end. A mislynch makes 2-2 and a town loss.

Unless I miss something, a claim might be in order.

[Mastermind of Sin]

Wow. That has got to be the luckiest kill I have

ever

seen. I do not believe the scum thought he was vig, but wtf were they thinking. Leaving Oman alive with their ticket to freedom, I would've been all over his ass today...that's just scary. Even in a counterclaim situation I would've voted Oman. So the town just got another chance at winning the game through that Oman kill. Thanks scum. You really did yourself in this time. [/gratuitous scumtell paragraph]

Let's not even worry about the numbers if we mislynch. We all know we'd lose that one. Interesting pressure on vollkan from Trojan. The question is how to interpret it. Is Trojan distancing from scumbuddy vollkan so they don't both go down? Is Troj-scum pressuring vollkan to try and build some early day focus on a townie? Is Trojan right about vollkan scum, who ended the day as soon as we had enough other votes? Is pwayne-scum only discussing numbers at this point because he doesn't have anything to actually contribute until he takes a lead from someone else, letting him not have to do anything original? Questions, Questions.

Does anyone have any answers? =P

[pwayne66]

Does anyone have any answers? =P

...or is MoS making inflated posts that equate only to "I don't know what's going on..." so's to pad his text acreage?

Pastries?

Anyway, as far as TH's take on Vollky, is quick hammering no-lynch really that scummy? Only if no-lynch didn't play into the town's benefit, then yes. I was on the fence yesterday, but have changed my tune so far today. We lost a Vig, but the scum seem to have saved us from lynching ourselves to oblivion.

Anyway... @MoS- what is your take on the mass claim?

[Mastermind of Sin]

Yes, Yes, Yes, aaaaaannndddd yes! However, not for all the reasons you might think. =P

[vollkan]

I screwed up badly there. I read the post by MoS where you called for us to keep voting no lynch and I was completely unaware of the 50% thing; I thought I was putting it at "No Lynch -1".

Anyway, I agree that it's time for the claiming.

[Trojan Horse]

If I may make a suggestion: since Tar already claimed vanilla townie, I think he should decide which of the other four of us should claim first. Then that person picks the next person, and so on.

Any objections?

[vollkan]

Whilst I doubt it makes for any practical difference, I would be more inclined to have something like:

Each person lists the names of the other 3 players (not including themselves or Tar) in preferential order. Then, we add up the scores of each player and proceed from their.

So, a hypothetical list
1) X
2) Y
3) Z

X has 3
Y has 2
Z has 1

As I said, it probably doesn't matter, but I've found this system to be a good way of making decisions.

[Oman]

Bah, go town. Good find scum.

[Mastermind of Sin]

Nah. If you don't want the scum to make the choices, this is how it goes down.

Right down the list:

vollkan
pwayne66
Trojan Horse
MoS (r. theopor_COD)

Original Roll String: 1d4

1 4-Sided Dice: (1) = 1

Original Roll String: 1d3

1 3-Sided Dice: (3) = 3

Original Roll String: 1d2

1 2-Sided Dice: (2) = 2

[Mastermind of Sin]

Claim Order:

pwayne66
vollkan
Trojan Horse
MoS

Now that that's decided, let's do this.

[pwayne66]

townie

[pwayne66]

that's a vanilla townie, to avoid confusion.

[vollkan]

My turn: I'm vanilla.

[Trojan Horse]

I am also a vanilla townie. So that's 4 of us claiming vanilla townie, including Tar.

MoS?

[Mastermind of Sin]

'nilla.

[Trojan Horse]

So we don't have any protown power roles left. Figures. If we're finally going to take down these scum, we'll have to rely on brains and votes only.

Okay. I know that I have been bemoaning my broken scumdar for most of the game. (Ok, for ALL of the game.) But now, I think I'm finally starting to see the light. I'm working on a post which will put all of my arguments together; I'll post it as soon as I'm done. (Won't take much longer.) But in the meantime, I have a question for MoS:

Yes, Yes, Yes, aaaaaannndddd yes! However, not for all the reasons you might think. =P

That was in response to pwayne's question about whether we should massclaim. MoS, care to clarify what those reasons were? Was there someone you suspected, and you were waiting to find out what his claim was? Or was it some other reason?

[Mastermind of Sin]

No, Almost, Yes.

[Trojan Horse]

You know you have been playing too much mafia when...

...you wake up very early in the morning, and you can't get back to sleep, because you're too excited about one of your mafia games.

Yep, that's me. Can't post this in the TMM thread yet, since it references an ongoing game. But I might as well post it here.

So, no clarifications, MoS? Fair enough. Guess I'll have to make my big case based on what I've got. Post forthcoming.