Mini 1830 - Game Over

[VictorDeAngelo]

I seem to be 13 pages behind, so this will be more of a catch up post than I suspected...

@House

You didn't answer this:

Also also... you haven't even interacted with CCC... Meeeehhhhhhh

Not a good look.

Why are you so concerned about Huntress interactions at this point?

In fact I don't think you responded to anything in 565, which is odd.

Okay so

@House

Yes, I like your case on CCC. But, I have to admit CCC has had great responses to your points, do you not think he might be town at all? Or at least rethinking your fos a bit?

I'm still happy with my vote, hence where it remains.

He's acting the same way he did in Arctic Mafia, buy the thing is, he SHOULD have improved since Arctic Mafia on some level if he had actually taken the advice he received.

Absolute crap. This is just a poor excuse for ignoring meta.

So to finish up I'd like to hear your hypothetical scum team.

Manuel is throwing suspicion on Square, but not voting or FOS'ing. That makes me suspect a Manuel/Square scum team is a possibility.

VOTE: Square World

If your square read relies on Manuel being his buddy, why vote Square here, ahead of Manuel?

VOTE: Manuel87

I'm lynching in Manuel and Square today. One or both are scum.

This vote is also OMGUS and the confidence here one Square seems completely unfounded.

I like CCC's 638. Snakes response in 642 doesn't fly with me at all.

I have been leaning slightly scum on Gamma also, but I don't think he's the right lynch for today. He is, at the very least, responsive. I can't say that about everyone here.

Hmmm... If eager flips scum I would look closer at Gamma.

Why do you guys always post so much when I'm gone, and when I'm here, nothing gets posted. Alright I'm gonna do a reads list from towniest to scummiest

Town
Grendel
eagersnake
House
GammaEmerald
Manuel
The_Jester
CCC
VictorDeAngelo
Huntress
SquareWorld

VOTE: SquareWorld

I would prefer to lynch in my bottom 3, that's my prefrence. Nothing Square has said has really stood out to me. He tried to make a werid case on me that didn't make sense, and it seemed he backed off a bit when no one would follow.

Grendel, despite fosing me, I think is town for the reasons I stated earlier, he seems like he's actually scumhunting, and trying to find mafia. He also casted doubt on me when I first gave my TR on him, which imo is a TR. I wish he'd just see that I was town too. Eager has had good posts since the beginning and has been consistent the whole time, which I really like. House has really shot up my townread since subbing in. I don't think CCC is the best vote today, but I do like his case on him. But, I also like CCC's responses, so I would prefer not to vote him.

I don't like this A lot of talk about why people are townreads and yet next to nothing on his scumreads. He's happy to lynch either me or Huntress but doesn't want to say why. Feels like someone trying not get people on side and not rock the boat.

gerryoat, are you an alt?

(filler, trying to cast more doubt on me the 2nd time after it didn't work the first time.)

Asking if your an alt is doubtcasting now.

don't want to lynch Grendel, House, CCC, eagerSnake and VictorDeAngelo

anyone else just call me and i'll join

(I'm thinking there is at least 1 maf in there. It might be Victor or CCC, but I'm not really sure.)

Betting that there's 1 scum in a group of 5 players in an 11 person game is hardly a long shot. You have gone in my estimations.

Great now I want to change my vote. Whatever.
VOTE: Square World

I have no idea what Gamma's doing here or why.

I'd like to add more to points 3 and 6.
@3: There's this role on EpicMafia called Oracle that reveals a persons role if the Oracle is killed. I've seen an Oracle get lynched intentionally Day 1, although since it was Daystart forum mafia, the role had to be modified to work Day 1.
@6: So the "changing claims" thing can only really happen in a closed setup. Okay.

This is not EM.

Advice for EM is not relevant here.

It was a proof of concept post.
Scumnotch +1 for House for that rather tasteless and pointless nitpick.

You can't give scumpoints to players for discussing theory, when your actively seeking advice. I would say that if House becomes conf!town I would listen to House as he knows what he's doing. Alas, I'm still confident he's drawn red in this game.

In fact, forget everything else. Square World catch up is bull. If he/she is that disinterested then why not replace out. And why only periods of activity when the pressure is on. Square is now my preferred lynch.

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wow victor that question sucks (249)

1) It doesn't.
2) You didn't think that at the time.

Manuel is at L-1 in case you haven't noticed.

When he flips town, you and Gamma need to be lynched for being the scum on the wagon.

Then Victor needs to be lynched for being scum off the wagon.

Victor has more experience with my town game than CCV and he's voting me although EVEN CCC recognizes my town play? That's hysterically obvious.

VOTE:
More nonsense. You're more than capable of doing townie things as scum. In fact I'd go further and say that your town/scum meta is not easily distinguishable IIRC.

Though the funny thing is, I agree with you that Manuel is a bad lynch.

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I find the number of townreads I have left in this game is diminishing. However, for the sake of coming to a conclusion I'm going to split you all into will vote won't vote piles:

Won't vote: Grendel, CCC, Manuel, The_Jester, Gamma, Gerry, Huntress
Would vote: House, EagerSnake, Square World

Square is preferred lynch but that's not happening. Neither is House. So eager it is:

UNVOTE:
VOTE: EagerSnake

[VictorDeAngelo]

How long do we have until we have to decide?

A day and a half. The deadline is on votecounts and the opening post:

MINI 1830

~snip~

Day Quicklinks

Day 1 starts

The current deadline is (expired on 2016-09-26 18:00:00).

[gerryoat]

Yo, if you vote Square, we can convince others to vote him as well.

[gerryoat]

We still have enough time

[gerryoat]

manuel would you consider voting square today?

[VictorDeAngelo]

You're right, I need to be less defeatist.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Square World

[Square World]

victor, your reads are sooo bad

please, try harder

[Square World]

i won't lynch neither of eager or house

[Square World]

Square: I townread him on the last 20 pages he has to be lynched

Would lynch Gamma, Eager or CCC

[Square World]

i'd also go for huntress, we gave her enough time and i think she's taking advantage of the situation

[VictorDeAngelo]

It seems Square's posting is proportional to the amount of pressure he's under. That tends to be a good sign someone is lurking.

Square: I townread him on the last 20 pages he has to be lynched

Would lynch Gamma, Eager or CCC

What is the point of this???

Also, could you just do one post at a time. Spamming the thread like you do is both annoying and unnecessary considering how little you actually say.

[Manuel87]

manuel would you consider voting square today?

I would consider it but i still think we should lynch in Eager or Gamma today.

House brought up a good argument

Do you really think scum will be likely to have three members on the d1 lynch, which they are trying to do to Manuel?
That's why I think Victor is the scum off the wagon.

But i think The_Jester could be the one scum off the Wagon.

[Eggman]

Vote Count 1.10 - The Alpha Release

Not Voting

: The_Jester

Square World

: gerryoat, VictorDeAngelo

eagerSnake

: Manuel87, House, Huntress

Manuel87

: CCC, eagerSnake, Gamma Emerald, Grendel, Square World

(L-1)

Finger of Suspicion Count 1.02

Manuel87

: eagerSnake

Grendel

: Gamma Emerald

With 11 players alive, it takes

6

for a lynch.
The deadline for this day is (expired on 2016-09-26 18:00:00).

[eagerSnake]

But i think The_Jester could be the one scum off the Wagon.

Would you be willing to lynch The_Jester today?

[Manuel87]

But i think The_Jester could be the one scum off the Wagon.

Would you be willing to lynch The_Jester today?

Not with you thats for sure.
It will also depend on his reasoning when he shows up.

[Manuel87]

@Eager: what happened to your Square case?
He finally shows up with contradictions in his reads but you are actually fine with it because his vote is where you want it?

[eagerSnake]

But i think The_Jester could be the one scum off the Wagon.

Would you be willing to lynch The_Jester today?

Not with you thats for sure.
It will also depend on his reasoning when he shows up.

I'll also be taking a good look at Jester if Manuel flips red.

[Grendel]

Wow, it took me openly second guessing myself for people to admit that Gamma isn't widely town read. You guys had me feeling like I was seeing things that weren't there.

Is there enough support for a Gamma lynch to push it through today?

UNVOTE:

[Grendel]

I've a town read on Manuel so I'm not willing to vote there.

@ Grendel:

As far as I can see, the following quote is your only explanation of your read on Manuel:

I don't feel like dissecting posts 254, 259 tonight, but both rubbed me the wrong way. And I'm not seeing any thing that looks townie since my explanation on why I thought he could be town. He had a lacking presence in today's voices imo.

What was it about those posts that bothered you?

Oh yea that. I'll get to it later today. I'm kind of busy atm.

[CCC]

Manuel is at L-1 in case you haven't noticed.

When he flips town, you and Gamma need to be lynched for being the scum on the wagon.

Then Victor needs to be lynched for being scum off the wagon.

Victor has more experience with my town game than CCV and he's voting me although EVEN CCC recognizes my town play? That's hysterically obvious.

To be fair, I haven't actually seen your scum game. I don't know how hard they are to tell apart.

[CCC]

If I'm dead, please avenge my death by powerlynching House. Don't let him talk his way out of it. It's pretty obvious he's scum here.

He tunnels heavily on innocent Townies as Town, though.

[CCC]

Why are you predisposed to be hostile towards me? Because it furthers your SCUM AGENDA?

Calm down, Eager. You're becoming irrational.

[eagerSnake]

Why are you predisposed to be hostile towards me? Because it furthers your SCUM AGENDA?

Calm down, Eager. You're becoming irrational.

I was dealing with someone who is being irrational. That sort of behavior is, well, toxic.

[Manuel87]

Wow, it took me openly second guessing myself for people to admit that Gamma isn't widely town read. You guys had me feeling like I was seeing things that weren't there.
Is there enough support for a Gamma lynch to push it through today?
UNVOTE:

probably depends on Victor and Gerry.
@Gerry, Victor: would you lynch Gamma instead of Square today?

[CCC]

Now i would like to hear why people are voting me because as of now the reasons i see are as follows.
...
CCC: Finnaly some pressure off me yeah we should totaly lynch Manuel

Because nobody else in the game looks scummier than you right now. (Gamma Emerald and Square World are close, mind you). You appear to be deliberately misinterpreting anything anyone says about you; you're quick to come to your own defense but slow to hunt scum (though you're perfectly happy to accuse anyone who attacks you); and you've told us that you wouldn't lynch someone if their style of play looked scummy.