Mini 1830 - Game Over

[gerryoat]

I'll actually give Huntress a pass for today, considering tehy had to do a lot of reading to catch up. So I'd really prefer Square here.

I'll give you a cookie if you choose eager instead.

You had "Lol." as your main reason. give a better case and maybe I'll reconsider, but I don't see him doing anything that scummy to be voted today.

[gerryoat]

page 30 question
gerryoat, you're probtown, though why give huntress a free pass?

Because she arrived late and has been mostly rereading, yet still has outed reads.

[Grendel]

But why would he bus when he could just have voted for eagle or left his vote on square?

Like I said, where he came from scum will bus at the drop of a hat. A lot of times in situations where they really didn't have to.

Actually on the other forum Gamma and I played mafia on scum love to bus. The possibility of Gamma as scum bussing his partner here isn't unrealistic.

VOTE: Manuel

I tried to get my team to not bus Day 5. You need to rethink that bit.

Okay so you were adverse to it at first, but you did give in and bus out of fear of associatives, and plus some encouragement in your PT. It doesn't lead me to think you were adverse to the concept itself. More like you were nervous about losing a scum PR then anything.

Ugh, Do you have any documented discussions where you out right said you don't like bussing?

[gerryoat]

page 4
not really thinking manuel is scum anymore

gerryoat + the_jester maybe?

page 18
manuel town
gerryoat and his excuses
huntress still scum

page 30 question
gerryoat, you're probtown, though why give huntress a free pass?

i'd say scum is in huntress, the_jester and victor, though maybe i accidentally excluded one scum from this list

could consider gerryoat or manuel

VOTE: Manuel87

l-1

????????????????

All of his reads are contridiictions. He states manuel is town yet votes him here. He says I'm prob town but says he could consider voting me. He says his biggest scumreads are huntress, jester, victor, yet doesn't push on any of them, and instead goes on the opposite wagon.

Am I insane or am I the only one seeing this??

[gerryoat]

How are more people not voting Square right now? I'm literally loling right now

[Gamma Emerald]

But why would he bus when he could just have voted for eagle or left his vote on square?

Like I said, where he came from scum will bus at the drop of a hat. A lot of times in situations where they really didn't have to.

Actually on the other forum Gamma and I played mafia on scum love to bus. The possibility of Gamma as scum bussing his partner here isn't unrealistic.

VOTE: Manuel

I tried to get my team to not bus Day 5. You need to rethink that bit.

Okay so you were adverse to it at first, but you did give in and bus out of fear of associatives, and plus some encouragement in your PT. It doesn't lead me to think you were adverse to the concept itself. More like you were nervous about losing a scum PR then anything.

Ugh, Do you have any documented discussions where you out right said you don't like bussing?

I never said it, but I did feel our team got torn apart by bussing. That was my main problem: we had lost the point of bussing. There's actually an article on the wiki expressing my sentiments on how exactly we went wrong.

[Grendel]

How are more people not voting Square right now? I'm literally loling right now

The time limitations would make voting for Huntress, Jester, and Victor a waste of a vote. No way town would shift toward those potential wagons less then 48 hours from a lynch.

His voting a town read is... gross though. Is he also town reading the other guy on the chopping block?

Eager I mean.

[eagerSnake]

1. I

interpreted

your words, and action. (Bringing up a RVS post and trying to spin it as scummy).

2. I'm not suggesting you do that, at all. Again, I am interpreting your words from my POV.

3. Why would I wait? I had a reason for calling it out in the way that I did. As nothing had led me to believe that Victor was town by that time, I was assuming he was scum, and I wanted to engage him on his bad post. He (accidentally) admitted to being one of the 3 I mentioned, but alas wouldn't admit to which one. I wanted him to admit to one of them so I could follow-up with him on it, and see how he responds. I wanted to see what his defensive behavior would be. Aggressive? Indignant? Indifferent? Here are some follow-up questions I may have used:
If he claimed ulterior motives: So you're claiming a non-town win condition?
If he claimed he's lazy: Why are you deliberately playing in a way that hurts the town?

4. Unfortunately, there is no way to prove this one.

[Grendel]

Alright I had a moment to think. I

really

hoped I had nailed scum with my reaction results, which made looking at Gamma as scum more important then considering where he could be town. Right now, I'm starting to feel like Gamma is town. I don't think Scum!Gamma would be able to build a solid town read with every player on the roster. Gamma, to my knowledge, is universally town read. The scum intent I saw in his previous posts might not be there at all. This whole thing may have turned out to be a stupid vanity wagon.

I don't think I will attempt to make a reads lists to finish off my D1 this game. I'm not feeling so great about most of my reads atm.

I'm still scum reading Manuel, and Gerry. I guess that's all I got.

[Eggman]

@Mod: can we get a VC?

OK, sheesh.
[I have been pretty busy IRL (in three shows at the same time), which is why I haven't been as active here. The majority of that work should be done by October, and I will check in more often. Anyways, here's the vote count.]

Vote Count 1.09

Not Voting

: The_Jester

House

: VictorDeAngelo

Square World

: gerryoat

eagerSnake

: Manuel87, House, Huntress

Manuel87

: CCC, eagerSnake, Gamma Emerald, Grendel, Square World

(L-1)

Finger of Suspicion Count 1.01

Manuel87

: eagerSnake

Grendel

: Gamma Emerald

With 11 players alive, it takes

6

for a lynch.
The deadline for this day is (expired on 2016-09-26 18:00:00).

[House]

You are obviously mad that I didn't vote for CCC, and it's obvious you have a grudge against me for it. How is that a misrep exactly?

You are accusing me of "pushing an easy lynch," when you are the one trying to do that. You have enough site experience to know that the site meta loathes buzzwords. (I use them anyway. If the word fits, use it.)

Here is your push: "He used buzzwords lynch him." Considering site meta, that makes for an easy push which doesn't require much explanation.

Assumptions and misrep bro.

You don't know the answer, so you interject your own reasons and doubtcast.

I give a damn.

Keep on keeping on. I don't need to say anything, you're doing a fine enough job on your own.

[eagerSnake]

So what will your reaction be when I flip blue?

[CCC]

Remember, he was

100% sure

that CCC was scum, and nothing was going to change his mind. I would be very surprised if he doesn't bring the CCC case

back up

on D2. It's called setting up MLs.

Yeeeeaaaahhhhh... House seems to be of the opinion that if he has a tiny scumread on someone, he needs to push it as if it's written in stone. But then he moves off the wagon and never mentions it again because now someone else is "obvscum".

[CCC]

page 3 question
why is gamma being scumread?

Because he seems strangely sure of the size of the scumteam.

[CCC]

My read on eager is mainly a gut read but I'll try to pin it down a bit.

Eager's posting felt off from his very first post. Most people who want to do something other than rvs to start discussion just do it. Eager made a point of drawing the players attention to what he was doing.

What he was doing, in this case, was a lack of action rather than an action. Had he not pointed it out, there would have been no discussion of it.

He was too quick to call Gamma town in 70, especially in view of his statement that he starts with the assumption that everyone is guilty until proved innocent.

Hmmm. That does seem suspicious.

His vote on Square in 600 was for an extremely flimsy reason. It was also for something that Manuel did, not Square. He's throwing the words "doubtcasting" and "WIFOM" around far too much and adding distracting stuff like 697.

Vote: eagerSnake

Yeah, 600 is pretty terrible. I still think he looks Townish on balance, but you put forth some good points.

[CCC]

Eager's posting felt off from his very first post. Most people who want to do something other than rvs to start discussion just do it. Eager made a point of drawing the players attention to what he was doing.

I did "just do it." Not sure what you are getting at here. Trying to bring up RVS on page 30+ to build a case? I have plenty of content, and that is the best you have? You're reaching, far. Trying to make the evidence fit the

gut

bias.

She replaced in late, and couldn't discuss it when it happened.

He was too quick to call Gamma town in 70, especially in view of his statement that he starts with the assumption that everyone is guilty until proved innocent.

Gamma had dropped down on my list of people I wanted to kill, thanks to his openness to discuss the suspicion I had on him without cracking or getting frustrated.

Hmmm. I see.

[CCC]

page 28 question
k, gerryoat is more towny here, but who orders towniest to scummiest?

I can think of at least three people in this thread who have done so.

[CCC]

i'd say scum is in huntress, the_jester and victor, though maybe i accidentally excluded one scum from this list

what do you think there?

My top two scumreads right now are Manuel and Gamma. Huntress I've got on the townier side, Jester pretty near null, and Victor slightly on the scummy side, but not as much as Gamma or Manuel.

[CCC]

Well we are running out of time. Nobody is interested in Gamma.

My top scum read, Gamma, being on Manuel is giving me pause.

I think Eager is town.

Square is not a good lynch either.

UNVOTE:

I'd be willing to vote either Manuel or Gamma at this point. Though I don't think a Gamma vote will lead to a lynch, and we're nearing end of day.

[House]

The current deadline is 2 days, 20 hours, 51 minutes.

Votes need to consolidate.

I'm not moving off eager, so either join the wagon or lynch without me.

[CCC]

But why would he bus when he could just have voted for eagle or left his vote on square?

Assuming they're both scum, he could be willing to vote on a scumbuddy when it's not necessary to gain a lot of towncred.

[CCC]

All of his reads are contridiictions. He states manuel is town yet votes him here. He says I'm prob town but says he could consider voting me. He says his biggest scumreads are huntress, jester, victor, yet doesn't push on any of them, and instead goes on the opposite wagon.

Am I insane or am I the only one seeing this??

He changes reads frequently, and for little reason. You're right, that does look scummy; though it could also be a sign of having no idea who to vote for.

[eagerSnake]

Manuel is at L-1 in case you haven't noticed.

[CCC]

The current deadline is 2 days, 20 hours, 51 minutes.

Votes need to consolidate.

I'm not moving off eager, so either join the wagon or lynch without me.

I'm not voting for my top townread, so I guess the lynch will have to happen either without you or without me.

[House]

Manuel is at L-1 in case you haven't noticed.

When he flips town, you and Gamma need to be lynched for being the scum on the wagon.

Then Victor needs to be lynched for being scum off the wagon.

Victor has more experience with my town game than CCV and he's voting me although EVEN CCC recognizes my town play? That's hysterically obvious.