STEVEN UNIVERSE 2 - GAME OVER

[Varsoon]

"This is my first production, so it needs to be exciting! It needs to be classic! It needs to be fully funded by Mayor Dewey. And it is... because he wrote it."

-Jamie,

Historical Friction

VOTECOUNT 2.14

Mathblade (8):

mastin2, Almost50, Xkfyu, McMenno, DrippingGoofball, Yume, Titus, Creature

DrippingGoofball (6):

Klingoncelt, Not Chara, Firebringer, SnarkySnowman, Shiro, Mathblade

Shiro (1):

Farside22

Shadow_Step (1):

Kraskaeaque

Farside22 (1):

randomidget

grapes (1):

killthestory

Xkfyu (1):

Skybird

Kraskaeaque (1):

grapes

TheFuzzyLogic99 (1):

Shadow_Step

Not Voting (3):

Reasonably Rational, TheWayItEnds, TheFuzzylogic99

With 24 Alive, it takes 13 to Lynch.
Deadline

: (expired on 2016-10-02 00:10:00)

The Current Stress is +1:

Skybird and Farside22 are V/LA until 9/25/2016
Xkfyu is V/LA until 9/26/2016

[Reasonably Rational]

Who's scum then?

I don't know. Good number of people who are most likely town and stuff though. Some suspicious characters running around.



-Cerb

For the record this was purely spam to get Varsoon the page top. It was gonna take too much time to put in a more detailed post. ^^

Lemme look at the player list and PoE it actually.

-Cerb

[Titus]

Great, who isn't scum then RR? No reasons please. Also, prove there's a third party? Doesn't seem consistent with flavor

Ugh, why are there only like two or three scum names on DGB? Is this fighting over which scum to lynch?

[Reasonably Rational]

Town/unlikely to be aligned with scum:(important distinction)

Titus
Klingoncelt
mastin2
Yume
Farside22
Xkfyu(this is because of a realization I had about the potential meaning of some things he's said which I won't be revealing)
Firebringer <<bubbled by gems in a way that could have resulted in his death apparently, but did not. This implies certain things to me.
Skybird <<< PT with steven
killthestory <<<fake IC claim

So yeah. The people above are unlynchable yo.

Everyone below has no interactions which make me believe it is impossible for them to be scum, though some are less plausible as scum than others(such as grapes).

Shadow_Step
Almost50
Shiro
DrippingGoofball
mathblade
grapes
Not Chara
Kraskaeaque (kraska77 + lyncanfire)
McMenno
TheFuzzylogic99
SnarkySnowman
Creature
randomidget
TheWayItEnds

-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

Great, who isn't scum then RR? No reasons please. Also, prove there's a third party? Doesn't seem consistent with flavor

Ugh, why are there only like two or three scum names on DGB? Is this fighting over which scum to lynch?

Trust me Titus.

I wouldn't make that claim if I couldn't back it up.

I basically have OVERWHELMING evidence of third parties at this point.

Consider it a certainty.

-cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

"This is my first production, so it needs to be exciting! It needs to be classic! It needs to be fully funded by Mayor Dewey. And it is... because he wrote it."

-Jamie,

Historical Friction

VOTECOUNT 2.14

Mathblade (8):

mastin2, Almost50, Xkfyu, McMenno, DrippingGoofball, Yume, Titus, Creature

DrippingGoofball (6):

Klingoncelt, Not Chara, Firebringer, SnarkySnowman, Shiro, Mathblade

Shiro (1):

Farside22

Shadow_Step (1):

Kraskaeaque

Farside22 (1):

randomidget

grapes (1):

killthestory

Xkfyu (1):

Skybird

Kraskaeaque (1):

grapes

TheFuzzyLogic99 (1):

Shadow_Step

Not Voting (3):

Reasonably Rational, TheWayItEnds, TheFuzzylogic99

With 24 Alive, it takes 13 to Lynch.
Deadline

: (expired on 2016-10-02 00:10:00)

The Current Stress is +1:

Skybird and Farside22 are V/LA until 9/25/2016
Xkfyu is V/LA until 9/26/2016

Could all the vanity wagoners please express why their wagon is superior to the two which are currently under consideration?

-Cerb

[MathBlade]

Doing the carpool thing now.

If I get lynched it was an honor to be a policy lynch for my prior scum play but I don't think all the confs are confs.

If I look like I am being mislynched my OTP then you know what to do. Be smart my universal town read. Whoever you are.

[MathBlade]

My biggest scumread is DGB at this point. Followed closely by shadow_step. Creature is growing too if Shiro town.

Good luck all.

[Titus]

@RR the pt v Steven is not a reason to clear sky but I think they are town.

Swap grapes for Farside and add almost 50 with Shiro and you're good. Read through almost50's ISO and it reads like 5 stages of grief regarding his hood.

McMenno is likely clear if you are based on vote analysis.

The third party thing is not something I am inclined to just trust you on. I mean conftown is saying no...and I have no independent evidence. I am not going to say I know no third parties, it just seems unlikely.

[Reasonably Rational]

@RR the pt v Steven is not a reason to clear sky but I think they are town.

Swap grapes for Farside and add almost 50 with Shiro and you're good. Read through almost50's ISO and it reads like 5 stages of grief regarding his hood.

McMenno is likely clear if you are based on vote analysis.

The third party thing is not something I am inclined to just trust you on. I mean conftown is saying no...and I have no independent evidence. I am not going to say I know no third parties, it just seems unlikely.

Conftown is wrong and is being misled.

-Cerb

[MathBlade]

/me cries a bit inside

Titus please....I am begging here.

I never beg.

Trust RR.

Conf towns are not conf.

[MathBlade]

Not conf right or conf*

[Titus]

Doing the carpool thing now.

If I get lynched it was an honor to be a policy lynch for my prior scum play but I don't think all the confs are confs.

If I look like I am being mislynched my OTP then you know what to do. Be smart my universal town read. Whoever you are.

You're getting lynched for your proscum play at this time. You're rambling nonsense, refusing to engage others or let them talk about anything else.

I am telling you to redo your analysis supposing that almost Shiro and the masons and myself are town.

I am asking you to apologize for all the insults you have thrown.

Until I see that, I don't see what redeeming value you have to town, regardless of your role pm color.

[Reasonably Rational]

@RR the pt v Steven is not a reason to clear sky but I think they are town.

Swap grapes for Farside and add almost 50 with Shiro and you're good. Read through almost50's ISO and it reads like 5 stages of grief regarding his hood.

McMenno is likely clear if you are based on vote analysis.

The third party thing is not something I am inclined to just trust you on. I mean conftown is saying no...and I have no independent evidence. I am not going to say I know no third parties, it just seems unlikely.

Conftown is wrong and is being misled.

-Cerb

Or if she's not being misled, she's so supremely arrogant that she refuses to display an appropriate level of doubt about her own beliefs.

I already expressed why I believe what I do about farside, and there's *no* reason in terms of interactions to call A50 and shiro town. Of course, I don't really "get" how to read A50. He's sort of like a less confusing LQ/TFL, if you know what I mean? He goes off on these crazy theories and such and I can't tell if it's town motivated or not.
Titus, you have *one* flip to go off of. That's not nearly enough data to clear McMenno off of based on votes alone.

-Cerb

[MathBlade]

I have done so with Shiro. I AM coming around to it.

I haven't thrown insults. I have said people are playing unintelligently or stewpidly. If anyone feels offended by that I am sorry they feel that way but I am not sorry for calling your play stewpid. Look at my top scumreads. Look who isn't in it.

[Titus]

@RR the pt v Steven is not a reason to clear sky but I think they are town.

Swap grapes for Farside and add almost 50 with Shiro and you're good. Read through almost50's ISO and it reads like 5 stages of grief regarding his hood.

McMenno is likely clear if you are based on vote analysis.

The third party thing is not something I am inclined to just trust you on. I mean conftown is saying no...and I have no independent evidence. I am not going to say I know no third parties, it just seems unlikely.

Conftown is wrong and is being misled.

-Cerb

Not ruling it out. I just doubt it. You know I need evidence to change my mind. Bringing that evidence, according to you, is antitown. So, until it isn't Antitown to reveal that information, we are going to disagree.

[MathBlade]

You're the one who keeps advocating for my lynch regardless of my color.

And when I flip green you will see your play was stewpid you will listen to RR and find who I townread the most and put them in your masonry if town.

Now I really have to go.

But Titus I am begging here stop tunneling for two seconds and think about what RR is saying even if you ignore me for all eternity.

[Almost50]

If math is scum, why am I not voted by more people (namely scum buddies) in order to save her.

Don't you think that would be a bit too obvious?

[Reasonably Rational]

@RR the pt v Steven is not a reason to clear sky but I think they are town.

Swap grapes for Farside and add almost 50 with Shiro and you're good. Read through almost50's ISO and it reads like 5 stages of grief regarding his hood.

McMenno is likely clear if you are based on vote analysis.

The third party thing is not something I am inclined to just trust you on. I mean conftown is saying no...and I have no independent evidence. I am not going to say I know no third parties, it just seems unlikely.

Conftown is wrong and is being misled.

-Cerb

Not ruling it out. I just doubt it. You know I need evidence to change my mind. Bringing that evidence, according to you, is antitown. So, until it isn't Antitown to reveal that information, we are going to disagree.

Fuck it.

I'll bring the one point of evidence that I can present without telling scum anything they don't already know.

Look at your role PM. Look at your win con.

Note the fact that a member of our faction needs to be alive, in addition to all scum being removed.

Compare to previous Varsoon town role PM's.

Consider the circumstances under which all threats to earth would be removed, while no earth-aligned players remain alive.

-Cerb

[Titus]

@RR the pt v Steven is not a reason to clear sky but I think they are town.

Swap grapes for Farside and add almost 50 with Shiro and you're good. Read through almost50's ISO and it reads like 5 stages of grief regarding his hood.

McMenno is likely clear if you are based on vote analysis.

The third party thing is not something I am inclined to just trust you on. I mean conftown is saying no...and I have no independent evidence. I am not going to say I know no third parties, it just seems unlikely.

Conftown is wrong and is being misled.

-Cerb

Or if she's not being misled, she's so supremely arrogant that she refuses to display an appropriate level of doubt about her own beliefs.

I already expressed why I believe what I do about farside, and there's *no* reason in terms of interactions to call A50 and shiro town. Of course, I don't really "get" how to read A50. He's sort of like a less confusing LQ/TFL, if you know what I mean? He goes off on these crazy theories and such and I can't tell if it's town motivated or not.
Titus, you have *one* flip to go off of. That's not nearly enough data to clear McMenno off of based on votes alone.

-Cerb

It is.

You and NC were the wagon choices when McMenno sprung up for awhile. Let's take each assumption in turn.

NC town/RR town: no reason for scum to push a McMenno wagon. If you're both town, the McMenno wagon isn't scumlead.

NC scum/RR town: Scum would jump onto your wagon.

Nc town/RR scum: why wouldn't scum jump onto nc?

Nc scum/RR scum: why start a third wagon on a buddy?

The McMenno wagon is most likely a counter to save scum.

[Titus]

@RR the pt v Steven is not a reason to clear sky but I think they are town.

Swap grapes for Farside and add almost 50 with Shiro and you're good. Read through almost50's ISO and it reads like 5 stages of grief regarding his hood.

McMenno is likely clear if you are based on vote analysis.

The third party thing is not something I am inclined to just trust you on. I mean conftown is saying no...and I have no independent evidence. I am not going to say I know no third parties, it just seems unlikely.

Conftown is wrong and is being misled.

-Cerb

Not ruling it out. I just doubt it. You know I need evidence to change my mind. Bringing that evidence, according to you, is antitown. So, until it isn't Antitown to reveal that information, we are going to disagree.

Fuck it.

I'll bring the one point of evidence that I can present without telling scum anything they don't already know.

Look at your role PM. Look at your win con.

Note the fact that a member of our faction needs to be alive, in addition to all scum being removed.

Compare to previous Varsoon town role PM's.

Consider the circumstances under which all threats to earth would be removed, while no earth-aligned players remain alive.

-Cerb

I don't see how you get third parties from that but we'll discuss this later. I throughly believe you believe in third parties.

[Yume]

Actually, I disagree with her. RR told me their reasoning for suspecting there's a third party and I agree with their reasoning.

[Almost50]

I am good for an alliance fuzzy. VLA til Monday.

Scum meta for the Shiro: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 6#p8099886

Keep in mind Peregine V was his ally.

He had the same "didn't get it post" with Almost50.

This game
He also went from 3998 where CoolDog was a policy lynch to voting it when CoolDog was still and always was a policy lynch.

He also dropped his Almost50 "push" (I put this in air quotes because explanation in a sec)

Frequency of posts does not mean a genuine push. What means a genuine push is if you stick with it and back it up with them votes yo.

Speaking of which

VOTE: DGB
VOTE: Shiro
VOTE: DGB

I needs more votes.

DGB is easy to read like butter when town especially in DGB when I was scum in Gistou. I never tried to push DGB for that because even in multiball it was clear he was a neighborizer who should have hit Titus and then Titus would fill DGB up with insanity and it would have been fine. This is DGB and Shiro scum metas.

farside if you are so certain shoot me.


@Almost

I was an idiot, I did a 180, you are town

...This here. Unprovoked flippage. Town Shiro doesn't do this.

VOTE: Shiro

Meh so many scumssssssssss.....

Statistically speaking; there's no such thing as over 100% probability. However, the above-quoted 3 CONSECUTIVE post make me dare say Math is 200% scum.

[Reasonably Rational]

@RR the pt v Steven is not a reason to clear sky but I think they are town.

Swap grapes for Farside and add almost 50 with Shiro and you're good. Read through almost50's ISO and it reads like 5 stages of grief regarding his hood.

McMenno is likely clear if you are based on vote analysis.

The third party thing is not something I am inclined to just trust you on. I mean conftown is saying no...and I have no independent evidence. I am not going to say I know no third parties, it just seems unlikely.

Conftown is wrong and is being misled.

-Cerb

Or if she's not being misled, she's so supremely arrogant that she refuses to display an appropriate level of doubt about her own beliefs.

I already expressed why I believe what I do about farside, and there's *no* reason in terms of interactions to call A50 and shiro town. Of course, I don't really "get" how to read A50. He's sort of like a less confusing LQ/TFL, if you know what I mean? He goes off on these crazy theories and such and I can't tell if it's town motivated or not.
Titus, you have *one* flip to go off of. That's not nearly enough data to clear McMenno off of based on votes alone.

-Cerb

It is.

You and NC were the wagon choices when McMenno sprung up for awhile. Let's take each assumption in turn.

NC town/RR town: no reason for scum to push a McMenno wagon. If you're both town, the McMenno wagon isn't scumlead.

NC scum/RR town: Scum would jump onto your wagon.

Nc town/RR scum: why wouldn't scum jump onto nc?

Nc scum/RR scum: why start a third wagon on a buddy?

The McMenno wagon is most likely a counter to save scum.

There's nothing stopping *town* from pushing the McMenno wagon though? In the case where NC and I are both town at least. I guess I'll have to look at the formation of that wagon again and see who was actually supportive of that push, I don't feel like it ever got much traction though.

-Cerb

pedit: Titus, what do you think is more likely? That Varsoon specifically wrote his win condition this time to account for the unlikely situation where every remaining living slot dies in a single phase, OR that there's an additional faction outside of the town that could finish killing all the scum even if the town is all dead?

[Titus]

You're the one who keeps advocating for my lynch regardless of my color.

And when I flip green you will see your play was stewpid you will listen to RR and find who I townread the most and put them in your masonry if town.

Now I really have to go.

But Titus I am begging here stop tunneling for two seconds and think about what RR is saying even if you ignore me for all eternity.

I am not a mason. I cannot put anyone in masonries.

Haven't you just been yelling conftown isn't conf right but you ask me to sheep you after you die?