Micro 643: Desperation Day (Game Over)

[BTD6_maker]

I am waiting for Mas y Menos' and Alchemist's list. Then we can analyse the information to determine the ideal lynch candidate. (This is as Xyzzy has both of them in the scum list, so I am waiting to see whether they also have similar scmreads to each other/other players.)

[Gamma Emerald]

I still have to do mine.

[callforjudgement]

Vote Count

Comparing Realities

(1): Mas y Menos

BlackStar

(1): Alchemist21

Gamma Emerald

(1): BlackStar

Mas y Menos

(1): BTD6_maker

Not voting

(3): Comparing Realities, Gamma Emerald, xyzzy

With 7 votes in play, 4 votes are required for a lynch.
Deadline is Sunday 2 October at 01:15 UTC (

automatic countdown: (expired on 2016-10-02 01:15:00)

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[Alchemist21]

So how did CR get in the scumreads and Xyzzy in the Town reads?

Xyzzy being scum was dependent on key being scum. Plus I reread his iso and it wasn't really that bad. CR has basically been floating around making large posts that basically say nothing. I don't scum read him, but X asked us to divide everyone into the 2 groups so i put him with scum. He's null.

"Floating around" is exactly what you said about Xyzzy. And don't try to tell me your xyzzy scumread was entirely dependent on Key's flip when you weren't even sure of how key's scumflip would have affected your scumread.

I am waiting for Mas y Menos' and Alchemist's list. Then we can analyse the information to determine the ideal lynch candidate. (This is as Xyzzy has both of them in the scum list, so I am waiting to see whether they also have similar scmreads to each other/other players.)

Town: CR, Gamma, Mas y menos
scum: Black Star, xyzzy, BTD

I'm confident enough in most of my reads that changing orders doesn't hide much if anything. I'm confident in all my Town reads and my Black Star scumread. I'm leaning more towards xyzzy as the second scum.

[BlackStar]

I see. That's understandable. If Key flips scum, how would that affect your xyzzy read?

Not sure

I guess that would make it more likely that xyzzy is scum

[Mas y Menos]

I already have explained my list.
If everyone is scumreading XYZ why does he have zero votes?

Jeez
VOTE: XYZ

~Mas Y

[BlackStar]

I'm not scum reading him

[Mas y Menos]

Ohh then you should.

~Mas Y

[Mas y Menos]

VOTE: Mas y Menos

This is my strongest scumread. Personally, Alchemist is currently slightly weaker than Xyzzy, but both are scumreads.
If a consensus for second scumread is clear, I will switch.

Actually, why am I still your strongest scumreads?
I am a little confused on why this is still your thing.

~Mas Y

[Comparing Realities]

Why is nobody talking about how Black Star threw the wagon from Mas to Key? We've been over this before. Also, I'm waiting on a certain stimuli to present a certain argument.

Scum: Mas, Black, Alchemist
Town: Gamma, Xyzzy, BTD6

[Gamma Emerald]

Town: BTD6, CR, xyzzy
Scum: Alchemist, BlackStar, MyM

I have a crazy theory, but I'll wait until I get more confident to share.

[Gamma Emerald]

BlackStar, I don't think you read Day 1 very well. In case it wasn't apparent by my posts: I scumread key the most Day 1.

[BlackStar]

BlackStar, I don't think you read Day 1 very well. In case it wasn't apparent by my posts: I scumread key the most Day 1.

Did I ever say that you didn't?

[BlackStar]

Oh, I misread that last post. I thought you said "I scumread key for most of day 1". You definitely never said that he was your top scum read

[Gamma Emerald]

Okay.
VOTE: key

L-1

I can hammer myself if yall want to rush things.

I think we have our scum here. Don't hammer this guy yet though, we have plenty of time to discuss.

I still think key is scum, but I think my vote is best applied elsewhere.
UNVOTE:

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Mas Y Menos

Sheeping Comapring Realities

L-1

rb, this wagon isn't shit. Hop on.

WHAT
You pretty much doubled everyone's suspicions of you with that last line. You acknowledge L-1 AND THEN YOU TELL SOMEONE TO HAMMER?

...
I don't even know what to say...
EXCEPT LYNCH THIS SHIT!

VOTE: key
In fact, I've changed my mind. I think rb is key's partner now.

Well that was...something.
Key if you are somehow town I will eat a fucking shoe. I don't think I'll be eating a shoe though.

Please don't actually do this; a) shoes aren't very nutritious, b) bets involving outside-game activities arguably violate the site rules (and the reflection in my ruleset as rule C4), although it's somewhat unclear because the rules don't consider the case in much detail. I've edited my rules to make this clearer, adding a new rule C5 that covers the situation — callforjudgement

@BlackStar: Looking at this, do you really think it could have been any different?

[xyzzy]

okay so here's everyone's scum lists for easy reference:

Mas y Menos: (Comparing Realities, Gamma Emerald, xyzzy)
BlackStar: (Alchemist21, Comparing Realities, Gamma Emerald)
BTD6_maker: (BlackStar, Comparing Realities, Gamma Emerald)
xyzzy: (Alchemist21, Gamma Emerald, Mas y Menos)
Alchemist21: (BlackStar, BTD6_maker, xyzzy)
Comparing Realities: (Alchemist21, BlackStar, Mas y Menos)
Gamma Emerald: (Alchemist21, BlackStar, Mas y Menos)

and the number of times each person shows up as scum in lists:

Alchemist21: 4
BlackStar: 4
BTD6_Maker: 1
Comparing Realities: 3
Gamma Emerald: 4
Mas y Menos: 3
xyzzy: 2

so we should be looking at Alchemist21, BlackStar and Gamma Emerald.

Mas y Menos and Alchemist21 are the only ones who only have one person from that list on their lists; I'd be interested in hearing what each of them thinks about the other two. I'd also be interested in knowing what the three people on those lists think of each other.

[Gamma Emerald]

You got BTD6's reversed.

[Gamma Emerald]

I got, including each person reading themselves as town in their counts (Scum:Town)
xyzzy(3:4)
CR(2:5)
GE(3:4)
MyM(4:3)
BlackStar(3:4)
BTD6(1:6)
Alchemist(5:2)

[xyzzy]

oh, duh, you're right.

okay, so according to the methodology I'm using, this is the correct choice:

VOTE: Mas y Menos

[BlackStar]

Okay.
VOTE: key

L-1

I can hammer myself if yall want to rush things.

I think we have our scum here. Don't hammer this guy yet though, we have plenty of time to discuss.

I still think key is scum, but I think my vote is best applied elsewhere.
UNVOTE:

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Mas Y Menos

Sheeping Comapring Realities

L-1

rb, this wagon isn't shit. Hop on.

WHAT
You pretty much doubled everyone's suspicions of you with that last line. You acknowledge L-1 AND THEN YOU TELL SOMEONE TO HAMMER?

...
I don't even know what to say...
EXCEPT LYNCH THIS SHIT!

VOTE: key
In fact, I've changed my mind. I think rb is key's partner now.

Well that was...something.
Key if you are somehow town I will eat a fucking shoe. I don't think I'll be eating a shoe though.

Please don't actually do this; a) shoes aren't very nutritious, b) bets involving outside-game activities arguably violate the site rules (and the reflection in my ruleset as rule C4), although it's somewhat unclear because the rules don't consider the case in much detail. I've edited my rules to make this clearer, adding a new rule C5 that covers the situation — callforjudgement

@BlackStar: Looking at this, do you really think it could have been any different?

Yes. Nobody would unvote their top scum read when they got to L-1. There's no justifiable reason to do that. And if you don't explicitly say "this is my top scum read", none of us can assume that.

[Comparing Realities]

@Xyzzy, though I admire and applaud your pro-town acquisition of salient information, I've got to say, your methodology is extremely flawed. I don't think Alchemist is explicitly scum, on the same level as the Mas part of Mas Y Menos and Black Star, I just said that at one point they said something that irrationally and inexplicably piqued my scumdar. Alchemist and BTD6 in particular have completely failed to make much of an impression on me, but I was forced to put one as scum and one as town, even though they're both lean-scum. Alchemist is just slightly more so because of what amounts to be a freak accident that I insist

might just be something

.
Xyzzy is town for putting this together, Gamma is town for the incomprehensible voting pattern as scum

wait

, and I've been begging for a Mas lynch forever but some people just don't want to talk about it.

...About that voting pattern. Scum!Gamma would have known key would flip town, and would want to get off the wagon before it hammered to make himself look better...?

[Comparing Realities]

I want to lynch Mas, even though I'm 80% sure they're scum. I say we forgo the D3 lynch, it's more important we get ourselves stable and settled.

Also, I'm setting an artificial timer on the stimuli for (expired on 2016-09-21 13:01:32)

[Gamma Emerald]

I want to lynch Mas, even though I'm 80% sure they're scum. I say we forgo the D3 lynch, it's more important we get ourselves stable and settled.[/countdown]

Um...What?

[Comparing Realities]

Even though I am very sure Mas is scum, I don't want to save them for D3 because A) the 20% they are scum could ruin everything if I'm wrong, and B) I will probably want stability more than better chances going into D3. Double the chance of lynching scum isn't worth it if our reads aren't solid, and right now, I think everyone is scum.

[Gamma Emerald]

Okay, I think you messed up a negative there, but I do feel like Mas is likely scum as well.
VOTE: Mas y Menos

L-1