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[karnos]

I don't see why blitz is being scum read. I'll re-read a bit later if I have time, weekends are terrible for me. I still think nero is scum.

[gerryoat]

I don't see what Blitz has done to be at L-1 that wagon formed very fast. Right now I'd say Giga and Elyse are scum.

I'm coming for you next

[gigabyteTroubadour]

gerry are elyse and i partners in your opinion or individual scumreads

[Blitzkrieg]

Skimming. I see that I'm in hammer range by scum.

I'm the doctor. GG town we lost.

[Blitzkrieg]

Nice try
This is giga's way of poking people
And scum try to opportunistically push wagons on her every game she's in for this reason
Your read on karnos and gerry pls?

Karnos and Gerry are both town.

If they'd actually sheep me, we'd be in a great position to lynch scum.

[Nero Cain]

Don't believe you

vote:Blitzkrieg

[gerryoat]

gerry are elyse and i partners in your opinion or individual scumreads

You both are the scummiest to me. I don't team read in forum maf. I just scumread

[gerryoat]

Nice try
This is giga's way of poking people
And scum try to opportunistically push wagons on her every game she's in for this reason
Your read on karnos and gerry pls?

Karnos and Gerry are both town.

If they'd actually sheep me, we'd be in a great position to lynch scum.

Who do you fos?

[Thor665]

Don't believe you

vote:Blitzkrieg

Since you didn't really believe either claim - why push more on Blitz than going back to Shadow?

[Shadow_step]

@Karnos, NC lynch isn't going to happen today. Join me on JJ.

[Thor665]

JarJar lynch isn't happening today either, Shadow - I mean, feel free to list all the people you think are scumreading him.

My list is; Shadow.

[Shadow_step]

I can try, what do you think about what I did about JJ?

[Shadow_step]

Said *

[JarJarDrinks]

I like my vote but I think we're going a little fast. That could just be me getting used to the shorter deadlines though.

Shadow, I'm really liking Jarjar for town. Why are you scumreading him?

Because of his reaction to my claim and post that.
First thing he did was that he voted someone else so I think he obviously believed what I said. Scum would want to get off a T pr wagon asap.

Then

he probably realised it would look bad

and started doubting my claim again. I can't quite wrap my head around that.

Then he wants town consensus whether he should be voting me again or not. Like he's paranoid about doing that and wondering how it would look. Scared of derailing the blitz wagon sounds like bs. We weren't 24 hours from deadline or something.

Why would it look bad?

[JarJarDrinks]

What happened to ur "intent" shadow?

[Shadow_step]

Why would it look bad?

That question was serious?
Obviously cause scum believe claims readily and not town.

[Shadow_step]

What happened to ur "intent" shadow?

Sorry I don't really buy your low content = scum, water tight case on blitz and don't really want to lynch a claimed doc.

[MichelSableheart]

When I look at Blitzkrieg, I see a player who focussed almost exclusively on Maria and Trans/Giga. That's not surprising, given how scummy that fakeclaim is, but it makes it difficult to know her thoughts on other players. That being said, I don't think she did anything super scummy. Yet JarJar, Giga, Nero all joined that wagon while giving virtually no reasoning, and shadow's willingness to hammer also comes after he didn't discuss blitz at all. This is a poor wagon.

I'm particularly disliking Nero's play here. Both with the Elyse wagon day 1, and the shadow and blitz wagons today, he seemed more interested in getting them to claim then in actually getting a lynch. It's in large part due to him that there are two powerroles out in the open now. That's not scumhunting, that's powerrole hunting, and more likely to come from scum then from town. Add the way he was smearing me day 1, and I would be happy to see him lynched.

I still prefer a Giga lynch though. Given how many players in this game were willing to give him a free pass for fakeclaiming, the mason claim is a relatively low risk way for him to potentially coast through the first couple of days, and build some towncred with maria in the process.

Vote: Giga

Shadows claim is conveniently safe for scum. It gives us little information, particularly when he's using it to confirm claims.

Karnos hammer yesterday was terrible, and it still looks like he's getting away with not adding much.

Unless I hear some very good arguments for someone else, I want to lynch one of these four.

[gigabyteTroubadour]

The Karnos lynch is the only one I like from those.

Michel and Blitz (and anyone scumreading me for that matter), what scumteam with me in it kills IaI? Especially because Blitz believes that my ""partners"" refuse to bus me, I don't really understand the benefit of picking a nightkill that makes it easier for me to get lynched. Is there someone else in a theoretical team with me that's worth more than me, or a more nuanced reason to kill IaI that I'm not getting?

Also, for that matter, the scum!Me / town!Maria dynamic still isn't making much sense to me. Maria and Transcend are friends and already know each other well, so why does Transcend need ""towncred"" from Maria? The two of them townread each other anyway and can read each other well. The purpose of the mason fakeclaim was to defend Maria from getting lynched and I think that's pretty clear. Transcend has nothing to gain from it, and the fact that he was more scared of being blacklisted than losing the benefits of the mason fakeclaim is practically a neon sign saying "I'M TOWN WHO WANTED TO SAVE MY TOWNREAD, NOT REALLY INTERESTED IN COASTING THROUGH THE GAME AS 'CONFIRMED TOWN'."

In other news, I'm happy with a Blitz lynch despite the claim. I think blitz's tunnel on me is contrived, I would have expected someone who scumread Maria and I as a team to reevaluate their read on me after Maria flips town. If, say, Elyse and/or Michel were to continue pushing on me, I could believe that it came from town because they have indicated that they scumread me individually. Blitz looks more like she's forming her reads around the fact she's been pushing for my lynch (the gerry and karnos townreads seem awfully convenient and baseless), which I don't really see as a town thing to do. Her claim also looks pretty fake, the lack of claiming a target looks like she doesn't want to be put under the same scrutiny Shadow was after he claimed.

[Blitzkrieg]

^^^ Giga is scum. That's a scum post right there. He wants to just lynch people who FoS him rather than scumhunt. His response is no scumteam I was in kills IaI, no scumplay I have makes sense with Maria town. That's wifom we've treated over. Let's put Giga scum to bed and get me the information to find his buddies.

I am leaning towards Elyse or Nero being his buddy but not both.

[Nero Cain]

Don't believe you

vote:Blitzkrieg

Since you didn't really believe either claim - why push more on Blitz than going back to Shadow?

You do know that I was the one that lead a wagon on him right?

[Nero Cain]

I'm particularly disliking Nero's play here. Both with the Elyse wagon day 1, and the shadow and blitz wagons today, he seemed more interested in getting them to claim then in actually getting a lynch.

Sometimes I wonder if you actually understand what you post or if you are just randomly saying things. Like there was a day left on day 1. Its customary to have the person claim before they get lynched. Getting Elyse to claim 24 hours ahead of deadline gave us the room to lynch her or not and decide what we wanted to do. Are you upset you are not getting the mislynch you wanted?

I wanted Shadow lynched. I wanted Blitz lynched. Saying that I only wanted their claims is an unbased opinion. The kicker here, is that he doesn't believe Shadows claim but thinks I'm scummy for outting him, scum talking out of both sides of thier mouth?

[Nero Cain]

I'm the doctor. GG town we lost.

I don't really feel like this is a town reaction.

[Nero Cain]

And lets just ignore the scum motivation in wanting a player dead that they can't kill at night.

[Blitzkrieg]

And lets just ignore the scum motivation in wanting a player dead that they can't kill at night.

Agreed that's why you're coming after me because I see the desperation to wagon everyone but Giga.