Mini 427 - Clue Mafia 1 - Game Over, Who Won!?

[Mastermind of Sin]

*bump* past closing spree

[DragonsofSummer]

I will

unvote

in that case I'd like to hear from BM for sure now.

[Battle Mage]

hmm ok. I dont have my rolename anywhere handy (my pms get deleted automatically after like 2 months), but i'm pretty sure i am not Yvette. I'll get the Mod to resend my pm anyway, and then ill get back to you.
BM

[Haschel Cedricson]

Holy fuck, I forgot about this game. I'm going out of town until Sunday night, but I promise that I'll post something good on Sunday or Monday.

You can use LAL on me if I don't.

[al_kohaulec]

LAL!!

Hammerz Haschel!

[Battle Mage]

ok, i got the pm, and yes i am Mrs Peacock. My flavour also mentions something about being blackmailed, which makes sense now.

BM

[Mastermind of Sin]

*bump*

More posting please.

[Haschel Cedricson]

Alright, are there any counterclaims? I know it's unlikely with this set-up, but we should probably check.

[Mastermind of Sin]

BillyTwilight and dahen will be prodded, as they haven't posted in over a week.

[dahen]

No need to prod me. I'm aware of this game. I'm just ignoring it. I promise to make an effort during my lunch break today. (In approx. two hours).

[dahen]

Ok. Let's see where we were.

What do we know from the setup?
We have one blackmailer (Mr Boddy) and one SK (Miss Scarlet).
We had a strangle Night 1, when both of these roles were alive.
Then we had a clobbering of our cop when there after Scarlet was gone.

Wadsworth later explains that Mr. Boddy is the man who has been blackmailing them all and that the police will arrive in forty-five minutes.
...
Wadsworth reveals that Yvette killed Mr. Boddy and the cook, under orders from Miss Scarlett, who killed the motorist, Yvette, the cop and the singing telegram girl.

In this game, Wadsworth was cop, Mr Boddy was blackmailer and Miss Scarlett was a SK. I say we have quite a lot of information from this and a name claim (no roles!) might be a good idea.

HC was able to find out that BT was Mr Green. I don't think scum would be able to find that out unless they are a scum pair, which I don't think is logical.

HC pinpointed BM for some reason (I don't understand how) to be Yvetter or Mrs Peacock. He then claimed Peacock. We are still missing Yvette.

DOS was silenced, and I think that this is made by the blackmailing (CD). I don't think CD was in a scum _team_ which means that DOS could be town as well as scum based on this.

I'd like name claims from Alko and DOS.
You probably want a name claim from me as well.

I suggest the rest of you together determines the order.

[DragonsofSummer]

I am Colonel Mustard. I have to go to class now, but I will try to contribute in both of these games when I get back.

[Battle Mage]

ok, Dahen next.

[dahen]

Prof Plum.
Alko, your turn.

[al_kohaulec]

I'm the cook.
I don't see what the name claim accomplishes though, did I miss something?

[dahen]

CLAIMS:

al_kohaulec: The cook (last to claim)
Battle Mage: Mrs Peackock (after HC said Yvette/Peacock)
BillyTwilight: Mr Green, vanilla (after HC found that out)
Hashel Cedricson: Singing Telegram Girl, Clue Finder
dahen: Professor Plum (second last to claim)
DragonsofSummer: Col Mustard (silenced day 3, third last to claim)

Dead guys:

Jack, Mrs. White, Tracker, lynched Day 1
Ancalagon, The Cop, Clue Finder, strangled Night 1
MrBuddyLee, Miss Scarlet, SK, lynched Day 2
The Central Scrutinizer, Wadsworth, Cop, Guilty on MBL, clobbered Night 2
DOS post during Day 3 (Happened Night 2)
Ectomancer, The Motorist, Clue Finder, lynched Day 3
chaotic_diablo, Mr Boddy, Blackmailer, killed N3

I firmly believe that Yvette is scum and that Yvette is not left out in this setting.
That's why I wanted the claims.
If we assume that Yvette is among us and that one of us is lying, then based on the claim order, these are the percentages of getting away with a fake name claim:
Alko: 100 %
dahen: 50 %
Dos: 33 %
BM: Special: Forced to claim Mrs Peacock

Based purely on these numbers, Alko is our best choice. We need to be missing one character in this game. I think that the cook is a likely role to be left out (in Clue 3 it was the STG instead).

Of course, we shouldn't look only at numbers. I will do a reread on Alko now to look at his content and voting pattern as well.

[dahen]

Here's a post by post analysis of Alko:

accuse C_D for self voting again.
accuse: ancalagon, he's done nothing but lurk this entire game.

Appearantly just something to get started.

CES is town, he made a funny.

This probably doesn't mean much either. Notable is that he points out someone as townish instead of scumish though.

Yay! We're back down to playing only one game and not three! I'm not sure I ever saw any of the other two threads...

Nothing.

@Dahen, wow, sadly I never realized we had a notes section, it's another area I just overlooked.
@Jack, so... what, were you trying to fake a restriction or something?

A valid question to Jack. I would have expected a FOS here.

This early in the game, trying to have a little fun is not a problem. It's just like random votes, it's not a big deal. Faking a post restriction late game is like random voting late game, it's a much bigger deal. If he would've prolonged his faking a restriction, than it would be a much bigger deal, but at this point it's nothing to worry about.

... but this explains the lack of FOS. OK.

Sounds good, I'm Mr. Boddy. Jack, you're next.

Obivously a lie/joke, but why did he choose Mr Boddy? Alko, feel free to answer. This joke was a small price for potentially creating a counterclaim from Boddy or a claim from Jack (or further counterclaims). Jack claimed Plum (also a lie/joke). If I didn't understand that these were jokes I might have felt compelled to counterclaim.

Vote: Ancalagon What do you mean by 'you're already dead'?

This time an immediate vote instead of first questioning to see if it was a joke. This is a change of behavior that is a little scummy.

Vote Count!

Nothing else. Not responding to Ancalagon's answer. Keeping his vote on Ancalagon here even though Ancalagon claimed to be joking.

Ok, this goes for all 3 Clue games I'm in right now. I am really busy with midterms and projects this week, so my activity will be pretty low (although admittedly it hasn't been too high on these games so far either) until I get some of this done, I will try to be more active once I start getting through all this work.

OK.

A couple of quick comments while I'm here.

First of all, I'm going to refer to BT's vote as though it were the lynch-1 vote, since that's what it was intended as and should have been.

As for my "let's see where this takes us" comment, the point was to:

A.) Get a claim from Jack. He had already given a roleblocker claim in Clue 3; I figured that another claim from him in a different game would give us some gauge to judge his alliance in both games.

B.) See what TCS would do. I wanted to test his promise of a hammer vote; if he had backed off of that I would have been more suspicious of him.

A.) You put him at lynch-1, meaning one more vote and he's lynched. How do you expect to get a roleclaim from somebody who's been lynched? TCS has been advertising the hammer, and you knew it, and yet you still layed down the lynch-1 vote for "a claim" which we could easily get at lynch-2.

B.) This goes against your case A. You want to see what TCS would do, and the expected result is that he'd hammer. You also say you don't want to hammer, and yet with somebody who's intention it is to hammer, yours essentially is a hammer vote anyways.

As I have said before, I wouldn't have hammered Jack myself but I was not against a Jack lynch. I don't suspect TCS because I don't think he'd hammer so quickly as scum in this game and because he is defending an easy lynch target (me) as opposed to going all out against me.

So why would you not want to hammer Jack, but still be a proponent to his lynch? Why would you come so close to a hammer vote if you wanted not to hammer, and also wanted a claim before the hammer?

I find this all pretty contradictory, so

Vote: BillyTwilight

No comment about Ancalagon. No unvote.
The points (A and B) are valid and it's a good vote for BT.
BT is not confirmed town, but he's confirmed non-Yvette at least.

To be continued...

[al_kohaulec]

I pretty much claimed Mr. Body because I assumed "Mr. Body dies in the opening post, I'm obviously not Mr. Body." However, I remembered making this assumption in I think Clue 3 later in the game, and IIRC, there was only one of these three mafia games where he supposedly died in the beginning. I could have sworn it was this one, but I no longer see that "Mr. Body died N0" or "pregame" or whatever I remember it saying. So the basis of that claim was to be an obvious joke, but apparently under false pretenses, as we

do

have a Mr. Body and he's not dead.

[dahen]

Well, he wasn't then, but now he's pretty dead, don't you think?

chaotic_diablo, Mr Boddy, Blackmailer, killed N3

[al_kohaulec]

I do remember in one of these games it saying something like "Mr Boddy, killed N0" and had something to do with the flavor of the game.

[al_kohaulec]

Hmm... it looks like that was in Clue 2.

[Mastermind of Sin]

*bump*

[Battle Mage]

Dahens evidence is pretty compelling.

Vote: AlKo

[BillyTwilight]

BM, what "evidence" are you talking about? I don't see anything in his analysis of alko's play that is very damning.

Alko, weren't you the cook in Clue 2? Please elaborate. It's one thing to pull a gamblers fallacy on if you are scum or not in multiple games, but to draw the same name in two of the Clue games? Especially when all of the characters are not in all of the different games, and considering how the cook is not a name that really goes with the other claims in this game so far... It's a 1 in a ridiculously-large-number chance that you would be the cook in two of the three Clue games. I'm willing (for the moment) to believe you've gotten a couple of your roles confused. However, I would like you to elaborate on your claim here.

[Battle Mage]

look at the facts.

1. So far the games have been strongly linked with the films.
2. Dahen claims that Yvette was scum in this take of the film.
3. AlKo claims last.
4. AlKo claims Cook-a less common rolename.
5. AlKo hinted earlier at another rolename-possible breadcrumb?
6. Post 464 is pretty scummy in light of the circumstances.

and thats without the stuff you brought up, which is equally valid.

BM