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[The_Jester]

So he could wait a bit, identify a lurker and then involve him.

[Eggman]

Vote Count 1.00

The_Jester

: RhazhBash, Manuel87

Grendel

: Gamma Emerald, The_Jester

eagerSnake

: VictorDeAngelo, CCC
With 11 players alive, it takes

6

for a lynch.
The deadline for this day is (expired on 2016-09-26 18:00:00).

[RhazhBash]

VOTE: Manuel

[The_Jester]

Reason?

[RhazhBash]

We're still in RVS.

[eagerSnake]

@Grendel Sure. I will give it a try.

@Gerryoat I am eagerSnake on EM.

@Gamma Emerald Who are you on EM?

[The_Jester]

We're still in RVS.

I was your RVS vote. If you switched that means you had a reason to. Unless you're planning on casting random votes throughout the game?

[eagerSnake]

Do we know how many scum we're looking for?

11 players I'm assuming there's a few possibilities here...

3 teamed mafia, 8 town
2 teamed mafia, 1 3rd party (not cult), 8 town
2 teams of 2 mafia, 7 town

[eagerSnake]

I'm not finding any setup information anywhere.

[The_Jester]

It's a closed setup. Doesn't matter atm. You take the scummiest person, lynch him/her and repeat until you've won. Trying to establish scumteams isn't relevant until the first scumflip anyway.

[eagerSnake]

Trying to establish scumteams isn't relevant until the first scumflip anyway.

I disagree. Establishing scumteams is a great way to POE people into your town block. For example, we will number players 1-11. Everyone starts off as scum in your book. Over the course of the day, numbers 5-11 have all earned town points, and you have moved them into your town block. Numbers 1-4 are still in your scum block as they have not earned any town points. Number 1 has scumtold, and is the scummiest of the block. After reading interactions between 1 and 2, you determine that it couldn't be scum interaction, so 2 is moved to your townblock. Etc.

[RhazhBash]

Liking Jester so far.

[The_Jester]

Trying to establish scumteams isn't relevant until the first scumflip anyway.

I disagree. Establishing scumteams is a great way to POE people into your town block. For example, we will number players 1-11. Everyone starts off as scum in your book. Over the course of the day, numbers 5-11 have all earned town points, and you have moved them into your town block. Numbers 1-4 are still in your scum block as they have not earned any town points. Number 1 has scumtold, and is the scummiest of the block. After reading interactions between 1 and 2, you determine that it couldn't be scum interaction, so 2 is moved to your townblock. Etc.

Pre-flip associations are pointless. It's ok to keep these things in mind but basing everything on assumptions is always a bad idea.

[Gamma Emerald]

@Grendel Sure. I will give it a try.

@Gerryoat I am eagerSnake on EM.

@Gamma Emerald Who are you on EM?

Same as here, but with no space.

[Gamma Emerald]

Do we know how many scum we're looking for?

11 players I'm assuming there's a few possibilities here...

3 teamed mafia, 8 town
2 teamed mafia, 1 3rd party (not cult), 8 town
2 teams of 2 mafia, 7 town

I'm betting 3 Mafia, 8 town or 3 mafia, 7 town, and one 3P.

[VictorDeAngelo]

Do we know how many scum we're looking for?

11 players I'm assuming there's a few possibilities here...

3 teamed mafia, 8 town
2 teamed mafia, 1 3rd party (not cult), 8 town
2 teams of 2 mafia, 7 town

Eager snake is eager to crack the setup...

(Yeah that was bad, but watch this space as better puns are coming I promise)

Anyway, I haven't played in like a year so everything could have changed not I remember 13 man normals having quite a high variance in scum/town ratios. A lot depends on what town power there is vrs what scum power there is, which is not something worth speculating too hard on this early in the game IMO.

What is more interesting is who you think could be town/scum. Do you have any reads on any players yet?

[Grendel]

VOTE: Grendel

Sounds awful

Elaborate?

1. If you wanted genuine results, you shouldn't have made it official.
2. There's literally no reason to treat somebody as obvtown at this point, you can still "bounce your ideas" off people.
3. Focusing on communication with a single person isolates the others and makes buddying look ok.

I really fail to see any benefits of this. This could only work if you had a PT with someone.

Creating a townbloc is fine but involving a random person seems like a wrong approach.

Mafia theory isn’t all I wanted to know from you.

For example, I’d like some clarification weather your vote on me is because you disagree with my play, or if you actually think I’m scum. See, while you raise valid points on why you disagree with how I opened you didn't say you thought I was scum.

Why is that?

So he could wait a bit, identify a lurker and then involve him.

Actually, I’ll have to keep this in mind the next time I try and instigate this buddy thing. Because that is a good idea.

[Grendel]

@Grendel Sure. I will give it a try.

Wonderful.

So do you have any prior experience with anybody on the roster?

How do you feel about VictorDeAngelo and CCC?

[The_Jester]

For example, I’d like some clarification weather your vote on me is because you disagree with my play, or if you actually think I’m scum. See, while you raise valid points on why you disagree with how I opened you didn't say you thought I was scum.

I don't think you're scum (yet). Using the vote power can have various goals. In this case, I wanted to skip rvs bullshit and provoke some meaningful discussion right off the bat. Unfortunately I didn't get the results I wanted.

Why are you so concerned about my reason of voting you?

[gerryoat]

VOTE: Grendel

Sounds awful

VOTE: The_Jester

I like the idea

is your avi log horizon? it's my fav anime lol

[gerryoat]

I would post a random vote here, but instead I'll not post a random vote here.

wait aren't you from epicmafia????

Yeah I've seen both of you on EM. Wanna do the study buddy thing, Gerry?

yaas

[gerryoat]

@Gerryoat I am eagerSnake on EM.

yas i think we played a few days ago in the Reverse Mafia setup. anyway glad to see you here too

[gerryoat]

Also, per policy, I won't take anything serious for the first 4 pages cause it's all bullshit every game i've played.

[gerryoat]

Also the last forum game I played that had 11 people had 3 mafia so. I don't think it's useful to even talk about how many PRs we could have, as it's kinda irrelevant. The most important thing is trying to pinpoint how many maf there prob is

[CCC]

Newbie games have nine players, two of whom are Mafia. Here we have eleven players.

Three mafia sounds about right to me.