STEVEN UNIVERSE 2 - GAME OVER

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

Good, we can start with McMenno, he has a history of lurking a lot in scum games.

Sure

Vote: McMenno

Come on scum fire.

Do you think Fire is scum?

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

Good, we can start with McMenno, he has a history of lurking a lot in scum games.

Sure

Vote: McMenno

Come on scum fire.

Do you think Fire is scum?

For the love of God.
Do you just skim everything I say.

That's a joke.

Places obi on ignore.

Damn you fire.
We need to be on the same page here.
How about shiro

Just checking, because my townread on them is fading fast.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

Oh neat a McMenno wagon
I've been interested in this wagon for forever, and Obi soft-defending him makes me feel even better about it

VOTE: McMenno

also grapes you don't need to explain your NC scumread anymore fyi

Here's a hard defense.

No scumfuck.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

Good, we can start with McMenno, he has a history of lurking a lot in scum games.

Sure

Vote: McMenno

Come on scum fire.

Do you think Fire is scum?

For the love of God.
Do you just skim everything I say.

That's a joke.

Places obi on ignore.

Damn you fire.
We need to be on the same page here.
How about shiro

Just checking, because my townread on them is fading fast.

*questions sanity*

Okay why has it gone down?

His repeated constant defense of my scumreads, attempts to wagon my townreads, forgets Suikoden and doesn't explain it to you, his repeated attacks of me being "mean" that were unwarranted, his continued echoing of everything you say.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

Oh neat a McMenno wagon
I've been interested in this wagon for forever, and Obi soft-defending him makes me feel even better about it

VOTE: McMenno

also grapes you don't need to explain your NC scumread anymore fyi

Here's a hard defense.

No scumfuck.

Wat?

There saying they won't be joining the wagon because your on it.

Ok so Titus doesn't want to bus her buddy
Not surprising

No I am not joining it because SC is attempting to wagon town and he's scum.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

O.o You have a PT with Cakey?

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

Same goes for you, Titus.
Trust me, please?

We want this over Not Chara. Plus, aside from this being a better wagon than Not Chara in my current opinion...if literally all of us switch, we'll have more support.
And, I might ask you: aside from Not Chara voting SirCakez, do you think there's any scum voting SirCakez?
So please trust me on this.

One MAJOR concern. If we let NC go, you get killed, how the FUCK will we get them lynched with Farside basically acting like they'll only listen to themselves?

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

VOTE: Cakey

RR isn't likely scum. You damn well better have a plan for getting NC lynched because if not, this game will have to go perfect for Farside to be forced to reassess. They won't bother to even justify their townread of NC but mystic ironclad evidence is not good enough.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

On Skype. Deal with it. I want you scumfuck to come after me.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

Tell him to post here more.

Lol this scumread got really strong really fast.
It was just because of "rule of three" earlier.

Gonna keep avoiding this?

P-edit: You should talk to grapes about that so he can follow through on it if it's worth it NC

Not avoiding it.
Rule of 3 isn't weak
Your chainsawing on NC's behalf is obvious too.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

@Cakey, Wow. Again, the annoyed comment. The unjustified mean, annoying, uncooperative tunneler meme again.

You are looking for spots to attack on the NC wagon. I am the only spot you could. You have to discredit me, because otherwise the problem of 4 townies exists.

@NC, Being stubborn headed and wrong isn't scum indicative. Their reads aren't horrible but their read on you. I have taken my trips to the moon. She clearly has a faulty assumption SOMEWHERE on NC but as long as she's so proud to not discuss it. I am concerned that Farside is being petty because it is me. There's only so many different ways I can ask for justification of their townread, highlight their anti-town behavior, and tolerate the insults with blatant innuendo that if it was anyone else she'd listen.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

A50 isn't lurking.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

Titus, I want to hood with you two tomorrow, so we can yell at each other and figure shit out, hopefully.

Noted. We haven't decided.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

That was poorly worded. More like a lot less active as compared to you and grapes.
That's dodging the point of that question though.

No it isn't. In no universe is A50 a lurker. We both know he's town. I was the target of last resort.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

Killthestory: i really hope you aren't actually an innocent child.

^^^ scum.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

Is that it?

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

That was poorly worded. More like a lot less active as compared to you and grapes.
That's dodging the point of that question though.

No it isn't. In no universe is A50 a[youtube][/youtube] lurker. We both know he's town. I was the target of last resort.

You are clearly dodging the point
The point is that A50 or grapes would have been easier and better pushes for me to make as scum
You haven't said anything about that at all

STILL dodging this I see

Calling it a night now

Not a dodge. The pair are unassailable. That's my point.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

@Whoever is calling me out for not posting

I will post tomorrow when I am done with my classes, I have just been kind of busy recently.

~Bee

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

Mastin, why do you think McMenno is town? I am really interested.

Basically, difference between town lurkers and scum lurkers.
McMenno, I believe, is a town lurker, for some very specific reasons.
Xkfyu, I believe, is the scum lurker.

And Klingon? I wouldn't call McMenno a lurker though.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

@Seraphim, The scumhunting?

@Mastina, You should skim their hydra in Suikoden. They were scum there. There's no scumhunting in their ISO in either place. Klingon is in my scumreads. Look at how little interactions with NC, SirCakez, RR, and Creature in their ISO.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

Every single allegation about Sera, Almost50, McMenno, and others is lurking, yet not a single one remembers Klingon.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

I kind of would rather u get lynched then Chara today, just so we kill that meta.

You're just mad because I called you Scum.

He says he's scum, too

There goes your theory

Give me a hug. I need DGB thoughts. Just show me you are scumhunting. I feel this close but...

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

Can you talk to me about Creature? He's the biggest difference we have (aside from fire which I need time on).

I am at NC Creature Cakez klingon CoolDog X, add DGB/Fire if wrong?

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

@SirCakez - I'm sorry, I meant unassailable with anything true. Kinda figured that was evident.

@Firebringer, It's been 5 hours since McMenno's last post according to the overview. Just how does he have anything to answer for?

@Farside, Please link me using post tags to what you think I have ignored. Given my near constant pleading for your town case on NC, please don't act like I am not trying to hear you.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

To answer you, RR, her hard defense of NC is suspicious. It looks to me like the defense of their buddy.

p-edit: Well, since you asked nicely....

VOTE: McMenno

Please vote Cakey or NC. Both Mastina and I do not like this vote.

P-edit: Well you beat me to it.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

I wasn't nearly due for a prod; just thought it was amusing that not posting at 3am is "lurking" now, will address some more concerns when I get home

This. Before that only twelve hours had elasped.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

@Seraphim, The scumhunting?

@Mastina, You should skim their hydra in Suikoden. They were scum there. There's no scumhunting in their ISO in either place. Klingon is in my scumreads. Look at how little interactions with NC, SirCakez, RR, and Creature in their ISO.

Titus, you know better than to say that shit about me.

In a game this size there's no way I'm interacting with every player this early on Day 1.

You know that.

There's a difference between not interacting with every slot and ignoring everyslot with a wagon. I can find lots of rehashing, but you have zero comments on major events.

No comments on RR, Creature, NC, and SirCakez. You have plenty of rehashing comments. I wouldn't expect realtime interaction. I do expect thoughts.

The closest thing to a thought you have given is Titus cannot read me, which suggests I am town.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

Hey, Beeboy and I are going to be determining who to ally with. I got a few questions before he gets on.

First, Firebringer, why did you ally with Shiro if your ability gave neat rewards?

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

First, Firebringer, why did you ally with Shiro if your ability gave neat rewards?

It only gives rewards to people I chose to, not just because they are my ally.
Its like inventor but only works on my allies.

Noted.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

@RR Didn't you want to ally with me next? I don't know if OBW will accept my offer....

That's an offer number 5 or 6 and allying with confirmed town probably isn't best.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

Why not?

Trust me.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

Ttius, you think I should gift Shiro with something?

No. They haven't given substantial comments to the thread.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

@Titus I only trust mastin....

i trust your lack of faith is disturbing.

Stay out of this, shrimp.

Well it'd be anti-town for me to answer that.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

@Titus I only trust mastin....

i trust your lack of faith is disturbing.

I don't. Being conftown requires skepticism of everyone and given the past I have with their main, I don't blame her.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

@SirCakez - I'm sorry, I meant unassailable with anything true. Kinda figured that was evident.

@Firebringer, It's been 5 hours since McMenno's last post according to the overview. Just how does he have anything to answer for?

@Farside, Please link me using post tags to what you think I have ignored. Given my near constant pleading for your town case on NC, please don't act like I am not trying to hear you.

I point to a post that I saw as a town post.
The dialog about the PT reads town to me.
I wrote a read list already that twice I feel you've ignored.
You just seem umber focus on this 3 thing that I don't get.

You see the post as town. I don't. That's not something I can engage you on. We both would argue confbias.
Which dialogue about the PT?

I get that you feel that NC is town. I need you to articulate

why

it feels like town to do.

If I can't get why out of you, I can't engage anything that you're saying.

The rule of 3 is simple. Any time the scum gives a list of 3 names, more likely than not, a scumbuddy is on it.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

I wrote up two huge long speeches about how I despise your style of player (or lack thereof).

I am sure each one of those would get me force replaced or banned for how innappropriate it was.

Consider me ignoring you for the rest of the game.
Everyone else should too.

Your going to flake out of the game anyways.
Day 3 is longest i give you.

This is a vicous cycle. By outright ignoring her, you encourage her to flake and thereby justifying ignoring her. Support her instead.

If she flakes, we ignore her. If she doesn't we don't. She's conftown and this is no way to talk to conftown. If she has a shitty argument, call the argument shitty. Don't attack the player.

We should do everything we can to encourage Yume to talk, not shut them down.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

@SirCakez - I'm sorry, I meant unassailable with anything true. Kinda figured that was evident.

@Firebringer, It's been 5 hours since McMenno's last post according to the overview. Just how does he have anything to answer for?

@Farside, Please link me using post tags to what you think I have ignored. Given my near constant pleading for your town case on NC, please don't act like I am not trying to hear you.

I point to a post that I saw as a town post.
The dialog about the PT reads town to me.
I wrote a read list already that twice I feel you've ignored.
You just seem umber focus on this 3 thing that I don't get.

You see the post as town. I don't. That's not something I can engage you on. We both would argue confbias.
Which dialogue about the PT?

I get that you feel that NC is town. I need you to articulate

why

it feels like town to do.

If I can't get why out of you, I can't engage anything that you're saying.

The rule of 3 is simple. Any time the scum gives a list of 3 names, more likely than not, a scumbuddy is on it.

That doesn't make sense.
You know I'm bad at explaining why something reads town.
Why does what I quoted and called town posting read scummy?

Because all it does is bitch about being caught? It doesn't do anything scumhunting wise. It is genuine dejection at being widely suspected, but that is NAI. Both town and scum don't want to be lynched.

If you keep saying things "read town" when I provide overwhelming evidence to the contrary and thrown doubt at fucking conftown because they're sheeping fellow conftown, it makes me feel like you have this conclusion that NC is town and you'll do anything to keep it rather than take a step back and look.

I don't care if you're "bad" at something. If you don't try, you'll perpetually be bad. You and I both know that the "feels" is a largely unpersuasive argument to me. You want to persuade me, you'll have to explain why. Get your assumptions out there. We both have assumptions. Everyone playing the game does. It's when we get out these assumptions and discuss them rationally that the game progresses.

Your "feelings" to me are nothing more than a load of hogwash until you justify them.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

This is a vicous cycle. By outright ignoring her, you encourage her to flake and thereby justifying ignoring her. Support her instead.

If she flakes, we ignore her. If she doesn't we don't. She's conftown and this is no way to talk to conftown. If she has a shitty argument, call the argument shitty. Don't attack the player.

We should do everything we can to encourage Yume to talk, not shut them down.

She has flaked out of 9 games in the last two months Titus.
I am done "supporting" her, and believe it or not. I was at one point.

Fuck her.
She deserves zero support till she proves she changes.

Hello there Jasper

Hey Yume, can we avoid talking about characters? I already spoke with Firebringer about Onions and everyone thought I was flavorcrumbing. This is kinda dangerous.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

okay to the people scumreading both me and cakez:

are me scum/cakez scum mutually exclusive? why (not)?

Who do you think this category is?

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

I actually do have opinions of my own, it's just that those opinions align with theirs.

completely?
you should talk about them in the thread.
you said farside could be scum earlier, but mastin doesn't have her in her scumlist. how did that come about, as an example?

Who is strange to you at the moment?

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

Hmm...
VOTE: SirCakez.

Yume, Almost50, rally to me.

grapes, this is a scumread of yours too, so you should come over here for a while.
I actually think we should be doing this instead.

I'm not sure we want to do this today. I mean, I could see it both ways, but I'm currently leaning on Cakez being town.

Also, we don't actually need to lynch inside the event. By definition, the 5 members of "Joy Ride" are on a separate mini-game tonight. They cannot affect other players outside of it, nor can they be affected by others, so I'd rather we were given proper chance to sort eachother out in there.

Well I'd rather lynch NotChara but Farside won't go along with that ever and refuses to justify why they think NC is town so SirCakez is the scumread we all agree on...

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

Damn you fire.
We need to be on the same page here.
How about shiro

Fire DID comply! Fire DID vote McMenno, despite stating he thinks they're town. I didn't get your swift switch back to Cakez though. Like, WHO do you want to lynch FOR REAL??

Let's chat in the PT for a bit on this.

Unvote

Ok, if you're not voting Cakey, I'm voting McMenno.

VOTE: NotChara

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

Damn you fire.
We need to be on the same page here.
How about shiro

Fire DID comply! Fire DID vote McMenno, despite stating he thinks they're town. I didn't get your swift switch back to Cakez though. Like, WHO do you want to lynch FOR REAL??

Let's chat in the PT for a bit on this.

Unvote

Ok, if you're not voting Cakey, I'm voting McMenno.

VOTE: NotChara

Obviously that's NotChara. I was running a few thoughts there. If I'm trusting Mastina has a plan to get all the scum lynched, but you won't, I am not bending over backwards begging for tablescraps from you Farside. Not going to happen.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

Dude, Klingon isn't scumhunting. They are just padding. They have avoided substantial comment on any game event.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

I am at NC Creature Cakez klingon CoolDog X, add DGB/Fire if wrong?

You telling me I put 2 (and a half) scum in my event?? Am I THAT bad??

Here's where I stand:

{

mastin2, Obi-Wan Kenobi, Yume, Farside22,

} << As good as mod-confirmed Town
{

killthestory, Firebringer, grapes,

} << Strong Town
{

Foxbird, Skybird,

} << Town
{

Sir Cakez, Xkyfu, CooLDoG, Reasonably Rational, McMenno,

} << Town Lean
{

SnarkySnowman,

} << Null-Town
{

Klingoncelt, Shiro, DrippingGoofball, randomidget, TheWayItEnds,

} << Null
{

Seraphim, Creature,

} << Null-Scum
{

Not Chara, kraskaesque,

} << Scum Lean
{

Nobody

} << Scum
{

Nobody

} << Strong Scum

Of the 4 below the null; kraskaesque seems like the odd one of the bunch, but they fit the "one in the non-voters" characteristic none-the-less.

I could see a Scum!Snarky, but that's only a dependent read, not exclusive, and if I wasn't hard town-reading Farside already I might've been tempted to link her with the scum team (my own perceived scum read; that is).

Obviously anyone in my NULL group could move either way if they decide to actually provide some real content, so there's that. It doesn't help that 3 of them are not even voting!

Please don't take that as an indictment of your scumhunting skills. I'd be more concerned as to why you didn't just put all your top townreads in. If you wanted to sort people, then it's ok that we disagree on a few. You (as I understand it) had to decide at pregame. At pregame, I am pretty sure my scum view was different.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

Wagon of 6, contains 3 scumreads...

Come back Mastina...

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

@Almost50

Spoiler: infodump

It's being NKed that I am afraid of

Yume, being NKed N1 is a badge of honor. Don't be afraid of being nightkilled. To think, the player that had been universally picked on was perceived as the biggest threat by scum. Then, the next time players say you suck, you remember your attitude here. That you can overcome and you will be good.

Now, I wish aligning with you was optimal so I could give you this pep talk privately.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

@Yume:

LOL
Not over the likes of Mastina and/or Obi for starters. Not over RR if they're town. I mean, there's a host of other players to be NK'd over the likes of me and you.

And, IF you get NK'd before said players then you were doing something EXTREMELY CORRECT that the scum team thought you were a bigger threat to them.

P-edit:

There you go. Titus phrased it even better.

Almost50, your current vote makes me cry. Like tears coming down my face.

Can you vote NC again?

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

Can you talk to me about Creature?

Have you looked at his iso? There's absolutely nothing scum about it. All his pushes are sincere. They're not all good! He pushes a fair number of town players, yeah. But the pushes aren't coming from the viewpoint of scum trying to mislynch. Nor are they coming from the viewpoint of scum trying to remain useless. Nor are they coming from the viewpoint of scum making a move for towncred. They come from the viewpoint of town trying to lynch scum, even if their viewpoint on matters...happens to be one I mostly disagree with.

There's more to the read than that, of course, but I'm holding off on giving full explanations for as long as humanly possible. (I do, after all, have a backup weapon: only one of Yume and I can be nightkilled by the scum, so if one of us dies, the other can just convey the information. I trust Yume can paraphrase my posts such that the important stuff is communicated.)

Why is ra dem so high on this list?

You mean randomidget?

Simple: randomidget hasn't given much, but what he

has

given has been immensely town. Literally every single post he's made has given me the impression he's town. Some give me this impression stronger than others, but I do mean it. Literally. EVERY. post. The main reason he's not higher is because there's not more for me to be absolutely sure. He hasn't given much game content relevant to major topics at hand, and until he does, I can't get a firm hold on him one way or another.

I've engaged his ISO and it just seems like scum surviving. When I also see the false narratives coming together to protect Creature and scum just generally not bussing, I'm like yeah Creature's probably scum. Is it possible he's the townbeard? Yes, but I don't think he is.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

The one time I turn my fucking back

Why is RR being wagoned at all? They are probably fucking town.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

Is it possible he's the townbeard? Yes, but I don't think he is.

T R U S T M E.
TRUST.

Creature is not scum.
I guarantee you it.

I guarantee you RR isn't scum. And he should be able to prove it by Day 3 with an unquestionable event.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

I like new rr wagon:
VOTE: RE

Fuck you phone:
VOTE: Reasonaly rational

I'd sheep this too.

Here is what I noted with Grapes is that he seems to think NC is scum for there read on obi, but, no offense, Titus comes off as bat shit crazy unless you know here.
NC has no inside to most if any player here from what I understand.
Also I'm not sure why grapes scum read nc to begin with.
He said something about an early read on him but that was page 15 in an active game. I also asked for a link where nc explained there town read and that didn't happen.
I'd be a bit suspicious if someone said let's team up and then it turns out I can't use my ability.
Who the fuck wouldnt be?

No. Again, another fucking insult because it is ME pushing the wagon. Grapes said I'm not crazy. Mastina said I'm not crazy. Can you actually listen to what I say without the personal baggage?
Gee, why don't you try listening to Grapes?

The point is that NC didn't immediately out these suspicions. NC waited until after Grapes said that he was inclined to vote her. THEN NC claims she was suspicious of Grapes the entire time. This has been their pattern the entire game.

Can someone repeat that so Farside doesn't discredit it because it's from Titus?

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

I guarantee you RR isn't scum. And he should be able to prove it by Day 3 with an unquestionable event.

So RR claimed to you that he is conf town basically on Day 3?
Isn't that exactly like Steven Universe 1?

Why the fuck are you buying that?

No, I'm not telling you what he claimed you dirty rolefisher.

We've discussed the details of his role and how best to use it. I know his trigger and when I expect it to happen. It's an ability, given that Mastina and Yume conftown, that scum cannot interfere with.

So fuck off. RR is town.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

Don't dare you call me a dirty rolefisher.

I will have you know I showered today.

Was it a mud shower?

I mean seriously... you've been doing the scum's bidding since go.

How am I supposed to trust you when you claim that similar situations to when RR was town should result in me scumreading them?

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

I don't think rr and grapes are scum together, possible other teams?
Someone want to help me with that contradiction?

Sure thing.
Your read on grapes is wrong. They are town.
Your read on RR is right. They are scum.

I guarantee you RR isn't scum. And he should be able to prove it by Day 3 with an unquestionable event.

Good GOD I hate you all so much now.
What part of this wasn't clear?

Of course, along the way we'll have these pesky things called "roleclaims", but by the very thing that makes it bad for town to claim, we also know that

we can ignore claims should it come to the choice between letting a scummy player with a good claim live or letting a town player with a not-so-pristine claim live. (That being, if Varsoon's word is in fact true,

scum's fakeclaims should be good enough that they're just as good if not better than actual town roles

.)

We are NOT letting obvscum coast for TWO FUCKING DAYS off of a claim, and we are CERTAINLY not going to then CLEAR THEM off of it.

Fuck roles.
Use scumhunting.

This is not Reasonably Rational as town.

I would, but I haven't been given a single fucking reason why they are scum.
The reach out to me was totally fucking town.
Their role is town.
Their scumhunting is town.
Their desire to see NC scum lynched seems legit.

This wagon is jumped on by Creature, who by the fucking way is scum.

I'm willing to vote my other scumreads. I'm not willing to let you push a wagon on town because you say so. You want me to show this is RR scum based on scumhunting, show me this is RR scum based on scumhunting. Otherwise, I'm saying fuck no to you and I don't care that you are conftown I want the same thing I asked of Farside.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

I mean seriously... you've been doing the scum's bidding since go.

How am I supposed to trust you when you claim that similar situations to when RR was town should result in me scumreading them?

How am I doing the scums bidding, I asked you a question. You don't have to respond with "this is the role", you are only reading them as town for whatever claim they gave you, so thats a bad read imo.

Role =/= Alignment.
Especially in a varsoon game, will you stop trying to setup spec the game?
You should know better.

I also don't know what you mean about trusting me.

When someone acts in a manner with their role that's consistent with town motivation, I don't call that setup spec. Nor should you.

Again, you're busy attacking my approach of the game since go, when it is unwarranted and you have been whenever I attack scum.

You've completely avoided engaging Klingon, who you should know by now is scum.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

Their scumhunting is town.

Have I been in a daze, what scumhunting have they been really doing?
I feel like I haven't been seeing this at all.

You mean questioning everything that goes through the thread. Strategically using their vote. Seeking not to have drama in the thread.

What haven't they been doing?

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

We absolutely have NC or Cakey. They are both scum. We agree they are scum. Yet, you want to lynch RR? I don't think so. We can work together. Let's do

that

.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

Again, you're busy attacking my approach of the game since go, when it is unwarranted and you have been whenever I attack scum.

You've completely avoided engaging Klingon, who you should know by now is scum.

I have been ignoring Klingon?
I engaged with her during the pregame.

And I just recently said she is scum. Wtf you talking about?


And I have called you town this whole day, I disagree with you heavily on NC and RR but besides that we have many simllar reads. Can you not nitpick this stuff. I am not saying your are wrong about everything.

Really,

when I went after Creature, you said I was being mean and have constantly pushed this narrative that I'm overreacting and riduculous with Farside because you two cannot handle me being right.
Again with NC
Again with RR
Again with Cakey

You agree on Klingon but make zero action to vote there or try to work with me.

Your MO has been about how Yume and I are evil assholes rather than trying to work with us. You instead try to offer me shiny baubles which I'm only attempted to accept because I think you're scum.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

This wagon is jumped on by Creature, who by the fucking way is scum.

Why are you so hellbent on scumreading creature
Your push on Creature was so fucking weird I don't even understand how it materialised
Tell me what I'm missing

Seriously, this is still scummy.

No that's the first fucking townie thing they've done in awhile.

Second, even if it was, it's a defense of scum.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

I'm not going to talk to the player with blinders on.
She obviously missed what grapes posted

No you did. I can quote where Grapes and Mastina actually follow me and get me and said they'd sheep me, but you're hellbent on painting me as crazy so you can lynch town because you think you're better than me.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

I'm not going to talk to the player with blinders on.
She obviously missed what grapes posted

No you did. I can quote where Grapes and Mastina actually follow me and get me and said they'd sheep me, but you're hellbent on painting me as crazy so you can lynch town because you think you're better than me.

All I read is I'm right and your wrong from this post.
Do I get a told you so if I. Right about nc along with you sheeping me day 2?

If we lynch NC yes. If we lynch outside of NC, No.

And that's what our conversation has devolved to because you don't give me anything but "it feels" or "I'm obviously right". Now if you'll excuse me, I have to go case Creature.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

Spoiler: Creature's opening

VOTE: Reasonably Rational

VOTE: Reasonably Rational

you can't vote right now. this phase is just for discussion and setting up alliances.

Oh right, wanna ally?

why's rr scum creature?

idk I just scrolled to the last post.

Inb4 pregame vigilantes

^ Forever alone

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Don't worry, the conversation was also boring.

So did we catch scum?

Yes, lot of times, sometimes I guessed the scumteam the night I died.

Damn, that game where I was pretty sure I caught a scum member but town was like "There's no case on him!" and lynched obvtown because of deadline.

No, I can't get much without votes.

I am more excited for the day to start.

Hi, I believe I know why kraska is townreading me.

New policy: Not have Day 0s

I'll ally with anyone that likes chatting in PTs and won't just outright call me scum for everything I say.

I'll ally with anyone that likes chatting in PTs and won't just outright call me scum for everything I say.

I'm up for it

k then

Did Lycanfire post already or all the posts are just kraska77?

Don't worry, she's easy to read.

This isn't how you get reactions -_-

Sure, spotlight someone and I'll give my opinion on them.

Totally fucking filler content.

Spoiler: Complaining about giving opinions

but thanks for forcing me rather than letting me do this naturally.

Btw, Reasonably and Not Chara are probtown, but am afraid of Firebringer and Obi-Wan Kenobi.

Reasonably's and Not Chara's posts don't look like scum's for me.

I am feeling like this could be Firebringer's scum game.

Meanwhile, you're forcing my opinions.

Spoiler: Terrible Justifications for Forced Reads, Insults at townreads, answering for others, self-meta

RR for his posts like the "This is an epitome of RVS behavior", it doesn't look like scum.

I liked Not Chara's posts like the alliance one.

Your opinions are your opinions. I'm not dictating who you read as town or scum.

I mean't that you're acting like "scumhunt now or you're scum", not letting it go naturally.

Also, the way you keep saying you want to see my reaction sounds like a "Look at me, I'm being town by pushing reactions!"

Your opinions are your opinions. I'm not dictating who you read as town or scum.

I mean't that you're acting like "scumhunt now or you're scum", not letting it go naturally.

Also, the way you keep saying you want to see my reaction sounds like a "Look at me, I'm being town by pushing reactions!"

It wasn't yours I wasn't looking for. I'm still thinking it helps figure things out though. Getting you involved if town never hurt anything. I can't see why you're upset about giving reads?

I am not upset, I just don't like when someone comes with something like "Who are your biggest townreads/scumreads? Why?"

kraska77 is prob townreading me for Open 649

Good, Obi is making things up.

Titus making crappy associations is probably town!Titus

The only halfway townie thing he's done is his one vote for SC based on the perfect null comment, that he immediately abandons everytime a town wagon gets steam. Textbook FOS buddy vote townie.

There's more theory posting and vote hopping but nothing constructive towards lynching scum. Meanwhile...

He gets defended by the likes of Cakes
Violates the rule of 3 for NC (but the other option realistically there is RR, so that's not a point to the rest of you)
Gets chainsawed
All the lurkers pretty much defend him (but for Klingon who still has no coherent opinion)

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

Again, you're busy attacking my approach of the game since go, when it is unwarranted and you have been whenever I attack scum.

You've completely avoided engaging Klingon, who you should know by now is scum.

I have been ignoring Klingon?
I engaged with her during the pregame.

And I just recently said she is scum. Wtf you talking about?


And I have called you town this whole day, I disagree with you heavily on NC and RR but besides that we have many simllar reads. Can you not nitpick this stuff. I am not saying your are wrong about everything.

Really,

when I went after Creature, you said I was being mean and have constantly pushed this narrative that I'm overreacting and riduculous with Farside because you two cannot handle me being right.
Again with NC
Again with RR
Again with Cakey

You agree on Klingon but make zero action to vote there or try to work with me.

Your MO has been about how Yume and I are evil assholes rather than trying to work with us. You instead try to offer me shiny baubles which I'm only attempted to accept because I think you're scum.

You were being mean at the time with Creature, but why does that matter. Being rude doesn't invalidate any of your points. I have been rude as of lately, does that mean my points are?

Your right about my disagreements, what does that have to do with me "attacking" you? Jesus your definition of "work together" is basically I have to agree with you on everything and then vote with you. Stop it. I don't agree with everything you have said and probably will never.

I can't vote all my scumreads at once, it would require me have like 4 votes. Kling is scum lean for me, but she can wait.

Also, I have never said your an asshole. You are a nice person, who can get emotional, just like the rest of us. You have been openly hostile to me and you know what, I haven't been that nice to you either. I think you and I both need to approach other in a different way because what we are doing now is clearly not working.

Also, don't mention Yume pls.

This wagon is jumped on by Creature, who by the fucking way is scum.

Why are you so hellbent on scumreading creature
Your push on Creature was so fucking weird I don't even understand how it materialised
Tell me what I'm missing

Seriously, this is still scummy.

No that's the first fucking townie thing they've done in awhile.

Second, even if it was, it's a defense of scum.

Its scummy because the catch up is out of place. It implies that Kraska now has a townread of Creature that I never even picked up from before. When did she form that read in her catch up? I have no idea. But its implied in that.

It looks like fake scum catch up to me.

I don't know what you mean by second point.

Omg it's not just me.

Cries happily.

Dude, anything you say Firebringer will agree with but for lynching scum.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

"Terrible Justifications for Forced Reads, Insults at townreads, answering for others, self-meta"
All of that is standard town creature awkwardness/quirkiness

No it isn't. I usually have a correct read on Creature when we play.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

Look, I'm open to the possibility of being wrong on creature and open to the possibility of being wrong.

That doesn't mean the game gets a double standard of demanding cases from me, dismissing them out of hand because it's me, and then providing no evidence other than it's obvious.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

Okay Titus, you clearly aren't interested in working together.

I am if you actually bother to treat me with the respect I deserve. If not, you're scum or working for them.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

This wagon is jumped on by Creature, who by the fucking way is scum.

this argument is hypocritical and you shouldn't use it

What haven't they been doing?

getting a

green

rolecard

Not green rolecard.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

"Terrible Justifications for Forced Reads, Insults at townreads, answering for others, self-meta"
All of that is standard town creature awkwardness/quirkiness

Haven't you only played one game with him?

I think I've played 2
So? Point is ive seen enough to know this is a superficial scum read

Superficial scumread? I went through and highlighted how every single post of his did NOTHING for town until he temporarily voted Cakey and it's a superficial read?

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

"Terrible Justifications for Forced Reads, Insults at townreads, answering for others, self-meta"
All of that is standard town creature awkwardness/quirkiness

Haven't you only played one game with him?

I think I've played 2
So? Point is ive seen enough to know this is a superficial scum read

Superficial scumread? I went through and highlighted how every single post of his did NOTHING for town until he temporarily voted Cakey and it's a superficial read?

I think what she is trying to say was that you were scumreading him based of his playstyle, not by his motivations to undermine the town. You know not everyone acts to do stuff for town.

Yeah, and if they aren't doing stuff for town, they are scum unless proven otherwise. There's wrong but trying, and then there's doing nothing for town. Creature is the later.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

Yeah, and if they aren't doing stuff for town, they are scum unless proven otherwise. There's wrong but trying, and then there's doing nothing for town. Creature is the later.

Isn't it more appropriate to say if they aren't doing anything that they aren't town till proven town? Not that they are scum?

I mean theres a huge different between actively trying to achieve scum goals, and completely not doing anything. Not saying your wrong, of course I could be wrong its not a super strong read. I also don't understand why your read on that is so strong. Nor why Kraska is.

Its more "leaning' town for me.

Like the case you made looked more a case for him to be Null than scum.

Not doing anything is a scum goal. Getting chainsawed by scum is a scum suggestion (not tell).

The absence of town, is scum indicative.

That's the closest thing anyone has said about RR at all anyway.

Then there's NC that blatantly contradicts themselves.
Cakey who does nothing and chainsaws me on behalf of NC.

But yet, you want to lynch RR... for reasons not even stated.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

Oh and for the record, I HATE fucking nullreads with a passion.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

I'm down with that. You vote first.

Klingon isn't faking reads, because she hasn't stated any. (Which is still pretty much a scumclaim from Klingon.)

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

VOTE: Klingoncelt

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

Saying conftown is conftown is not a read.

Supoorting a scumgrapes =/= having grapes as a scumread. Maybe there's a read in the last post. I got lost in pronouns.

But yeah, there's a dearth of information. We agree on the important things regarding Klingon, namely that they are avoiding the central conflicts.

Still want that neighborhood?

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

Beeboy hasn't been here all day... so?

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

@Fire, Fine by me.

@McMenno, you down to align still?

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

Saying conftown is conftown is not a read.

Supoorting a scumgrapes =/= having grapes as a scumread. Maybe there's a read in the last post. I got lost in pronouns.

But yeah, there's a dearth of information. We agree on the important things regarding Klingon, namely that they are avoiding the central conflicts.

Still want that neighborhood?

Okay......
So none of her reads are real. You said she didn't have a read. I think thats a bit different.......................

Are you just disagreeing to disagree?

And no, I don't want to neighbor with you anymore.

It's not. Like I said, we agree on the important things on Klingon.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

Cakey who does nothing and chainsaws me on behalf of NC.

More and more misrep

I'm developing some new scumreads, but I wanna talk them over in the alliance PTs first.

For shits and giggles, try answering as if I'm town for a change, because you'll have to soon enough.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

I'm going to take some time away from posting this thread to cool down unless the thread goes crazy.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

Will respond to actual game content later

Who wants to play @midnight? Need 3 volunteers. It's a comedy game.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

Creature is def town

Alliance. I want to see if I can talk you out of that privately.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

That should be a question mark...meh I think I am getting tipsy

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

As for the event triggering the -2 stress: an extension of me being a miller I suppose is that my event power instead of raising stress lowers it by two. That was my trigger. (I know, Varsoon said that in general, town events will raise stress and scum events will lower stress. But mine didn't. Dealwithit.) It was a pro-town power, I assure you, best used early rather than later especially given that I'm going to die early this game regardless.

Generally, anti-town Episode Events and outcomes will move the stress meter towards 'Tragic Destiny.'
Pro-town Episode Events and outcomes will move the stress meter towards 'Slice of Life'.

Quoted From the first post.

Why did you lie there ?

Not a lie. First word in Varsoon's post.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

Creature is def town

Alliance. I want to see if I can talk you out of that privately.

Sure. Are we allowed to switch during the day?

Nope but I am submitting anyway.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

I wonder what happened with beeboy.

I have a super seeekrit role where if I make his classes really hard, Varsoona tells me the entire scumteam.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

@Klingoncelt, Why should I bother listening to your pleas of "I am a Day 3 player" when you used the exact same please before as scum and totally tried to discredit me in a similar manner when I was obvtown with good reads?

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

Link a game where you was at least 75% correct on your scumreads.

Suikoden Mafia, I have mentioned it like 10 times trough here and I

usually detest meta

but the game is so apt.

The wagon pattern on LQ (all town stalls out) is dramatically similar to the wagon on NC (all town stall). The defenses used were the same. The biggest read I was wrong on (and maybe the only read I was wrong on, was the masons).


Suikoden Mafia

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

What's the difference between a wagon on town and a wagon on scum?

All town wagons on town tend to stall but no one tends to defend them either as scum prefer an all town wagon, yet they don't want the game state to change. See Steven's Universe - Large Theme 1.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

What's the difference between a wagon on town and a wagon on scum?

All town wagons on town tend to stall but no one tends to defend them either as scum prefer an all town wagon, yet they don't want the game state to change. See Steven's Universe - Large Theme 1.

Wouldn't that be ideal for scum to not defend their partners?

Scum bus when a buddy is in danger? Not in recent site meta. They defend. They chainsaw. They try to paint me as big bad Titus.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

They try to paint me as big bad Titus.

Can you list any games for this?

Suikoden that was Klingon's schtick. The scum tried to pressure me in RVS based on the fact I use VCA.

Inorganic Chemistry (I was Sonic Boom) Mastina vote parked us for two days based on me being evil Titus. Won by murdering us because we were the only slot suspecting them.

Denmark (Large Normal) caught Davesto using this tactic in RVS. He continued using this tactic despite me knowing he was scum until Shiro guiltied him on Day 3.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

What's the difference between a wagon on town and a wagon on scum?

All town wagons on town tend to stall but no one tends to defend them either as scum prefer an all town wagon, yet they don't want the game state to change. See Steven's Universe - Large Theme 1.

Wouldn't that be ideal for scum to not defend their partners?

Scum bus when a buddy is in danger? Not in recent site meta. They defend. They chainsaw. They try to paint me as big bad Titus.

If they can, they do, but there isn't a reason to bullshit to save one buddy.

Not in current sitemeta and this game is textbook not bussing wagons. It's too early to be 100% certain based on wagon composition but I highly doubt scum are bussing here.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

What's the difference between a wagon on town and a wagon on scum?

All town wagons on town tend to stall but no one tends to defend them either as scum prefer an all town wagon, yet they don't want the game state to change. See Steven's Universe - Large Theme 1.

Wouldn't that be ideal for scum to not defend their partners?

Scum bus when a buddy is in danger? Not in recent site meta. They defend. They chainsaw. They try to paint me as big bad Titus.

If they can, they do, but there isn't a reason to bullshit to save one buddy.

Not in current sitemeta and this game is textbook not bussing wagons. It's too early to be 100% certain based on wagon composition but I highly doubt scum are bussing here.

Who's townreading NC besides me and who's pushing counterwagons who hasn't stated townread on NC?

Farside and Fire are obviously two. Same with CoolDog.

Second question is easy. SirCakez. 1000% SirCakez.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

That beetlejuice.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

Hello I think communicating with my Hydra buddy is over rated.
Does someone want to fill me in on what is happening right now in this game?

~Bee

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

Hey almost50, Shiro isn't scum but Creature is. Creature is jumping on almost every wagon with a pulse but the scum ones.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

Rr and I were actually talking about that.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

Hello I think communicating with my Hydra buddy is over rated.
Does someone want to fill me in on what is happening right now in this game?

~Bee

You guys suck

~Bee

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

Doesn't anyone want to at least try and persuade me into having the same beliefs as they do?

~Bee

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

TITUS WILL YOU ALLY WITH ME TONIGHT

Sorry, I am with DGB tonight.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

" I thought we agreed there was no Slinker, and we weren't going to call it 'The Slinker'."

-Amethyst

"Yes we did. But now it's undeniable the creature exists, and that Steven's name stuck."

-Garnet,

Reformed

VOTECOUNT 1.09

Not Chara (6):

grapes, Skybird, Yume, Almost50, Kraskaeaque

Reasonably Rational (4):

McMenno, DrippingGoofball, mastin2, Farside22

McMenno (3):

CooLDoG, SirCakez, Seraphim

Klingoncelt (2):

Firebringer, Obi-Wan Kenobi

Almost50 (2):

Shiro, Creature

SirCakez (1):

Not Chara

Creature (1):

Xkfyu

Farside22 (1):

SnarkySnowman

Not Voting (6):

Klingoncelt, Foxbird, Reasonably Rational, killthestory, randomidget, TheWayItEnds

With 25 Alive, it takes 13 to Lynch.
Deadline

: (expired on 2016-09-21 15:10:00)

The Current Stress is -1:

This wagon composition isn't fitting with my theory unless X happens.

Y'all talk to Beeboy for a bit.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

" I thought we agreed there was no Slinker, and we weren't going to call it 'The Slinker'."

-Amethyst

"Yes we did. But now it's undeniable the creature exists, and that Steven's name stuck."

-Garnet,

Reformed

VOTECOUNT 1.09

Not Chara (6):

grapes, Skybird, Yume, Almost50, Kraskaeaque

Reasonably Rational (4):

McMenno, DrippingGoofball, mastin2, Farside22

McMenno (3):

CooLDoG, SirCakez, Seraphim

Klingoncelt (2):

Firebringer, Obi-Wan Kenobi

Almost50 (2):

Shiro, Creature

SirCakez (1):

Not Chara

Creature (1):

Xkfyu

Farside22 (1):

SnarkySnowman

Not Voting (6):

Klingoncelt, Foxbird, Reasonably Rational, killthestory, randomidget, TheWayItEnds

With 25 Alive, it takes 13 to Lynch.
Deadline

: (expired on 2016-09-21 15:10:00)

The Current Stress is -1:

This wagon composition isn't fitting with my theory unless X happens.

Y'all talk to Beeboy for a bit.

Can you tell em what your theory is and what X is? I am curious now. I won't force the matter if you don't want to share it, though.

I shouldn't right now because X is the behavior of other players. This is however a stellar question to ask and one I don't think you'd ask when we first met.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

@Shiro:

I'm not interested in your attempt to derail my line of thoughts, tbh. I play each and every game differently, and this one I decided to actually try and solve on my own and then compare my results -at the end of the game- to the likes of Titus, Mastina and RR. It's the only way I'm going to improve my scum hunting abilities. Thank you.

This is very very flattering. To be compared to the likes of Mastina and RR.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

" I thought we agreed there was no Slinker, and we weren't going to call it 'The Slinker'."

-Amethyst

"Yes we did. But now it's undeniable the creature exists, and that Steven's name stuck."

-Garnet,

Reformed

VOTECOUNT 1.09

Not Chara (6):

grapes, Skybird, Yume, Almost50, Kraskaeaque

Reasonably Rational (4):

McMenno, DrippingGoofball, mastin2, Farside22

McMenno (3):

CooLDoG, SirCakez, Seraphim

Klingoncelt (2):

Firebringer, Obi-Wan Kenobi

Almost50 (2):

Shiro, Creature

SirCakez (1):

Not Chara

Creature (1):

Xkfyu

Farside22 (1):

SnarkySnowman

Not Voting (6):

Klingoncelt, Foxbird, Reasonably Rational, killthestory, randomidget, TheWayItEnds

With 25 Alive, it takes 13 to Lynch.
Deadline

: (expired on 2016-09-21 15:10:00)

The Current Stress is -1:

This wagon composition isn't fitting with my theory unless X happens.

Y'all talk to Beeboy for a bit.

Can you tell em what your theory is and what X is? I am curious now. I won't force the matter if you don't want to share it, though.

I shouldn't right now because X is the behavior of other players. This is however a stellar question to ask and one I don't think you'd ask when we first met.

Can't you at least hint at it somehow?

Yume, are you not the only player in the game who is currently privy to mastin's thought process? if that isn't 'in the loop', i don't know what is. :>

Not exactly.

@OWK I wish you'd add me to alliance.....

Is there a mechanical reason to do so? My role has me better off aligning with the people I need to sort rather than obvious town. If there is, I will, otherwise it would be Antitown for me to give you what you want.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

Oh and since I am looking at scum behavior, no hinting can be done

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

But if mastin and I hadn't confirmed each other, would I still be confirmed town?

You would be obvious town but not confirmed town. This frankly is your best town days ever.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

No, what I consider my best day is LYLO in Freedom's Call.

Link me?

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

You posted like once in that lylo...o.o?

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

That was still the first time I actually hammered scum. I agree that this game might overshadow it though.

Oh I gotcha. I can see why you'd be proud of that, and you should be. You did better than that in another game in my humble opinion but saying which one would put your main. You got night killed d2.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

This game I would say is better than that because you're showing how to respond to criticism better. I cannot tell if that's due to you bring conftown but you're speaking up, questioning others and not having a temper.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

Just keep doing what you're doing. Highlight things. Let people know where you stand. Engage. Keep doing that, and overtime you'll get recognized. Also, stick to one or two games at a time until you do. It'll take a few games but eventually people will say, "wow, Yume hasn't replaced out in awhile. And wow she did really well." It takes a moment to destroy a reputation and a lifetime to build it.

What do you think I should do? Aside from allying with you?

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

KTS want to ally, I'll give you a vig

You're wanting to give a vig to a guy who has given zero thoughts this game? Why not Farside? Mastina? Yume? I get why you wouldn't pick me for that but ....

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

What if we lynched almost today?

You unvote Klingon, we are voting NC. Almost is town.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

Titus can you give me your thoughts on Almost ? I am really certain that I am right.
His avoidance to explain what I ask is really telling. His nonsensical acussation just as much (derailing his thought process ???? Like whaaa?)

I agree with Creature being scum Sheeping you. He took a similar awkward position with RR. Creatures jumps are terrible and almost doesn't seem fake at all.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

What if we lynched almost today?

You unvote Klingon, we are voting NC. Almost is town.

NC is town too.

Based on what?

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

Titus can you give me your thoughts on Almost ? I am really certain that I am right.
His avoidance to explain what I ask is really telling. His nonsensical acussation just as much (derailing his thought process ???? Like whaaa?)

I agree with Creature being scum Sheeping you. He took a similar awkward position with RR. Creatures jumps are terrible and almost doesn't seem fake at all.

Creature isn't scum either

And let me guess you townread Cakey too?

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

What if we lynched almost today?

You unvote Klingon, we are voting NC. Almost is town.

NC is town too.

Based on what?

Based on me hacking it's account and reading role pm

Dude, your hacking skills suck if that's the case. You hacked the wrong account.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

Titus can you give me your thoughts on Almost ? I am really certain that I am right.
His avoidance to explain what I ask is really telling. His nonsensical acussation just as much (derailing his thought process ???? Like whaaa?)

I agree with Creature being scum Sheeping you. He took a similar awkward position with RR. Creatures jumps are terrible and almost doesn't seem fake at all.

Creature isn't scum either

And let me guess you townread Cakey too?

No I don't

So we agree on Cakey and Klingon, but the rest of the town won't follow us. Quite a quandary.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

@Firebringer, Cakey wagon?

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

I promised at beginning of day I wouldn't lynch within my joy ride

Who is your joy ride?

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

Look, fire what's your solution here? Lynching scum together or keeping a promise to scum? Unless klingon takes off, I don't see how we can do both.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

I would, but I haven't been given a single fucking reason why they are scum.

I'm a bit swamped today and maybe tomorrow, but come Monday? Sure I'll give you plenty. But for now:

The reach out to me was totally fucking town.

That was a Reasonably Rational tell. Not a towntell. I'd argue it was even a scumtell.

Their role is town.

See my 660, 1481, and 1784 for my thoughts on that.

Their scumhunting is town.

Absolutely not! That's actually one of the problems with them!

Their desire to see NC scum lynched seems legit.

Not really, no.

This wagon is jumped on by Creature, who by the fucking way is scum.

Your read on Creature is 100% wrong, so there.

This IS Reasonably Rational as scum.

I'm going to ignore this until you give me reasons.

We could actually go where we both agree and you let me have sweet little dreams of having RR work for us. Even if he's scum, he's boxed in. If I don't see his ability pop up according to his claim, I will lynch him as I don't like players that lie to me.

You asked us to trust your claim with Yume (and Yume's town independently) but you are refusing to consider me vouching for RR. You are telling me that you'll ignore it anyway. Hypocrisy doesn't work like that.

Now if you'll excuse me, I am going to feel like a pirate. Maybe. I hope if you let me.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

VOTE: NC

Since Klingon nor Cakey is happening.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

Willing to give a gun to anyone who will shoot titus n1

So you will willingly give scum a gun? Fuck off fire. This is why I cannot trust you.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

VOTE: Klingoncelt

This is an acceptable wagon.
Basically, the lynches that I'd want today are SirCakez (highest), RR (second), Klingoncelt (third), Cooldog (fourth), Xkfyu (last I'd desire), or as a last resort, Not Chara.

So, not my first preference.
But definitely lynchable if we can't get majority on better options.

Scum lynches are scum lynches, so as long as it's one of the above being wagoned, we're mostly good. (Mostly, in that one will flip town.)

farside, Yume, myself, you, and almost will all do Cakey. Let's do that rather than argue over your read.

Let me do my thing.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

Oh I think grapes will do.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

If you were a captain of a ship at this point I would rally a mutiny on the grounds of you trying to sink the boat

When we have half the same scum pool but you won't vote Cakey. Come on. You are the one unwilling to vote scum.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

Oh I think grapes will do.

Will too.

Autocorrect.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

Okay titus I'll make you a deal. I will follow you on anyone fucking wagon you want for the day on this condition.
If you are wrong, which I am 100% you are. You got shot by the person I give a gun too.

Sound fair?

You give the gun to RR. Just for the poetic justice.

And I will go for that.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

Okay titus I'll make you a deal. I will follow you on anyone fucking wagon you want for the day on this condition.
If you are wrong, which I am 100% you are. You got shot by the person I give a gun too.

Sound fair?

You give the gun to RR. Just for the poetic justice.

And I will go for that.

I mean DGB there my bad. Rr cannot shoot tonight if you give him the gun tonight. Plus they might not do it.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

Okay titus I'll make you a deal. I will follow you on anyone fucking wagon you want for the day on this condition.
If you are wrong, which I am 100% you are. You got shot by the person I give a gun too.

Sound fair?

You give the gun to RR. Just for the poetic justice.

And I will go for that.

Now you want me to give a gun to my scum read?

Didn't think it through. See my next post.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

Fuck it, further preview time.

Varsoon very much dislikes the swinginess inherent in multiball, but this is the first game of ths size that he's ran, so it's certainly possible.
-Cerb

See this comment?

This comment is literally everywhere in his iso.
EVERYWHERE.
Not this exact words.
This exact type of comment.

People will be asking all these questions about things.
Cerb will try to appear helpful, useful, by answering them...
...But instead of actually giving a hard stance on them, he gives a nonanswer.
He gives something noncommittal, something that looks like it is answering the question but is meant to leave the player with just as much doubt as what they had before, only with the impression Cerb was helping them.

And it's not just on mechanics.
On players? Same thing.
On reads? Same thing.

He will take the fence.
He will stay in the middle.

There's a difference between him keeping cards to his chest, there's a difference between him being cautious, there's a difference between him having a slow start, there's a difference between him carefully considering issues to come to an eventual conclusion...

...And him doing literally fuckall of nothing.
He is doing nothing. He is trying to appear like he's doing something. But he is doing. absolutely. nothing. Nothing. Nothing of substance. When Cerb is town, he has the close reads to his chest, caution, slow to start, with him carefully weighing issues...but he actually comes to hard stances eventually. All of his prodding and poking (which he DOES, mind you! He prods and he pokes, he asks questions, he tries to make inquiries here and there) has a point, has an objective, as he fact-checks, as he tries to find answers, as he tries to progress the gamestate.

But here, instead of that proactive self...his play is completely, and entirely, REACTIVE. His play is completely and entirely without push. He is doing nothing but answering. He isn't asking. Just answering.

And that pattern has been in the game for FAR too fucking long for this to be an abnormality in Cerb's towngame.

This is Reasonably Rational as scum.

This is a dead repeat of what he did in Gistou. Look there at the non-Bins posts to get a fair idea of what he did and wasn't doing.
He tried to appear helpful.
He answered mechanical questions.

But he didn't scumhunt.

He's not scumhunting here.
He hasn't been.
Just answering.

Yeah, we've been engaging his reads in the hood. He's about where you are, minus of course your God awful read on him.

If he is scum, he's going to bus NC or Cakey soon. No point in eliminating the scum that will bus. That's even supposing RR is scum, which he's not.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

Well he's pro Creature scum though too.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

Also, I just did a brief skim of my past games with Cerb.
Past-me agrees with present-me.
Past-me has a perfect accuracy at reading Cerb.
Past-me saw the exact same things as present-me is seeing.
As town, as scum, I did check both, and these were Reasonably Rational games (not Cerb as an individual games), and the readings couldn't have been clearer.

I mean.
I could do a much more thorough readthrough, to confirm absolutely that I'm not misattributing things, but I'm pretty damn positive I haven't lost that touch.

This is not the same RR from Steven Universe.
This IS, however, the same RR that I saw in SC's game.

And this is not to me.

Meta can kiss my ass.

Now, if you'd let me do my thing or compromise to your highest priority lynch (SC) we can lynch scum....or you can wreck my plans. One or the other.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

Scum excitation would be trying to look as helpful as possible.

(Psst. Guess who's done this all game?)

I should clarify something, btw: the point I made against Reasonably Rational applies

almost

as well to SirCakez. He's been on the defensive, the reactionary, all game long. There's been no prodding, no poking, from SirCakez. Iso him to see this for yourself. It's nonexistent. Everything he does has a disconnect: he'll post, and then post more, and all his posts are words which look good...but lead nowhere. He's doing nothing with what he's saying.

That's why SirCakez is scum.

Full heartedly disagree. Every post is doing something from SirCakez. They scream he is failing scum. His whatever it is towards our slot is not solving the game, but rather giving him an excuse to hide. He's filtering everything through that impossible lens so he can walk back his reads later.

we agree that Cakey is not progressing the game forward but not in any way but he does convey things when he talks.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

Won by murdering us because we were the only slot suspecting them.

Don't bring up a game where I'm scum and expect me to let you paint it in that light, no matter the reason, Titus.
I killed you because you were conftown and I couldn't let you live.
Otherwise, never woulda touched you. Your 1v1 with me was IMMENSELY helpful: it created so much noise, so much friction, so much heat, that it was doing nothing but making me look townier with every post. Attacking me was only damaging your rep. Attack me was only HELPING me.

So, take my advice, Titus: Please trust me, don't attack Not Chara.
You're not doing yourself any favors with it.

Hey, you can lecture or help. I haven't engaged them significantly in 10-15 pages.

I cannot help if town players are so full of their own egos. You attacked me because you could get away with it. Exactly what Cakey is doing. You see me engaging him? No, beyond giving him a chance to produce a Town!Titus world reads list.

I have been trying to get my townreads to all agree on an acceptable lynch that doesn't ruin my plans and promote things for after our death.

P.s. Can we all agree if there's a poison doc heal KTS, k thx bye.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

Well, let's test that out

VOTE: SC

Fine. If NC is not happening, this might:

VOTE: Creature

Nc is the largest wagon and SC stands for SirCakez.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

You asked us to trust your claim with Yume (

and Yume's town independently

) but you are refusing to consider me vouching for RR.

And therein lies your reason for why.

Yume was town even before the claim.

Reasonably Rational...isn't.
Very much so, is. not. town.

For Yume, there can be trust that Yume is conftown for multiple reasons. Yume was a townread before. I was a townread before. We are confirming each other as town. This is a MUTUAL CONFIRMATION. It's not just off of reads but off of mod-given info. Not mod-given info that leaves room for ambiguity (say, a fruit vend), mod-given info that is absolute short of bastard modding confirmation of a player being town, and this is not a bastard modded game.

For RR, you're telling me their role is town, but everything you're saying is that RR's ability is something YOU THINK,

THINK

, is town. Believe. As in, there's room for ambiguity. You're not saying RR has an IC-like, hard, mod-confirmed, ABSOLUTE TRUTH, ability. And until you do, I'm not dropping my push. And even if you do, I expect hard proof because if I don't have evidence that RR is mod-confirmed town, I'm going to lynch them. (I don't care if they make an excuse for their ability not working, I'm lynching them PERIOD if you say that they have a power that will mod-confirm them as town and it does not trigger.)
They could claim to be a triple-voting doctor-cop hybrid for all I care and I wouldn't believe them. Because that's an AMBIGUOUS confirm. Rather than a HARD TRUTH mod confirm.

Add in that this is NOT Reasonably Rational's towngame, and...yeah.

He can guarantee either me you or Yume survives the first NK against us through a public event. Yeah, I said it. Rr will probably hate me for it. Yes, that is worth letting live until he has to trigger it.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

farside, Yume, myself, you, and almost will all do Cakey. Let's do that rather than argue over your read.

FINE.
VOTE: SirCakez.

VOTE: SirCakez[/vote]

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

VOTE: SirCakez

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

Also, wtf mastin? I *DON'T* have firm stances on thing this early fucking ever.

Yes you do.
You don't know that you do.
Because you don't notice it the way I do.
But as town, there's always something about the way you go about your posting: you are getting further into the game.
As scum, you are just setting up pieces for the endgame, manipulating stances, manipulating players.

I'm flat-out saying I know you better than YOU know you.

You're hiding behind your job right now.
But I've seen you play with that job, both when legitimately hindered by it and when you managed to play hard without hindrance in spite of the job.

This is neither.
As town, you are ALWAYS better than you think you are at giving content. You are ALWAYS better than you think you are at broadcasting your alignment, and at making your town wincon known. You are ALWAYS better at revealing yourself as town than you give yourself credit for, because you always have this energy about you which radiates a sincere effort to figure out the game, and a sincere effort to find scum.

As scum, you always play the long-game. As scum, you hide behind the excuse of not being an early-game player. As scum, you claim that you're not that good early-on, and maybe you think it's true. But I know better than that. As scum, your aim is to carefully wait until you're in a position where you think you have the game under control.

And that's what you've been doing: waiting. Stalling. Manipulating.
Not gamesolving.
Not revealing yourself as town.
Not putting in effort in the time you have available.

I had this very same fight with Drixx in the newbie queue.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

Ftr I've been chatting in the joy ride with Sue cakez more and I don't see him as scum

Would lynch Shiro, rr, snarky, grapes (I know this is odd but it's tries hard and from what I remember of grapes he doesn't make bad pushes) and some player that I'm missing in my leaning scum category of random and dgb (yes dgb does bus as scum)

Wow...practically the only thing I agree with here is that DGB busses as scum.

Mystical Cakey townread come on.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

Full heartedly disagree. Every post is doing something from SirCakez. They scream he is failing scum. His whatever it is towards our slot is not solving the game, but rather giving him an excuse to hide. He's filtering everything through that impossible lens so he can walk back his reads later.
we agree that Cakey is not progressing the game forward but not in any way but he does convey things when he talks.

You say you disagree, and yet you're just saying the same thing in different words about him. "Not solving the game" is not doing anything. "An excuse to hide" is not doing anything. "Convey things when he talks" doesn't mean he does something when he talks.

That's my point.
All of my scumreads have this in common: iso Cooldog, it's like a lurkier shorter version of SirCakez's iso. You already know about Klingoncelt. And Xkfyu? Like an even lurkier, shorter version of Cooldog's iso.
Not Chara may or may not have it, which is one reason why it dropped in my scumreads: when I was convinced it did, it was a scumread; when I lost that confidence (but still saw it as possible), Not Chara dropped to its current position.

But Reasonably Rational has done the same.
I'd also like to point out that Drixx has been doing nothing this game as well. It's BOTH heads, not just one. I'm not pushing that point yet because I haven't done my research to know what's going on in Drixx's life right now and how active Drixx is in the RR hydra in general, but it's something that I can't help but notice: not only does he not speak often, but also when he does, he's doing nothing, just like Cerb.

Totally disagree but it's the biggest one we disagree on. RR v Creature can happen AFTER we lynch the ones we agree on.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

Fine. If NC is not happening, this might: VOTE: Creature

Over my dead body.

You remember how in Gistou, I was the moderator, and was basically tearing my hair out, out of frustration, with the motherly screaming of, "YOU ARE BEING MORONS", and how

badly

I wanted to intervene and tell you as much?

Yeah, well, this game, I'm not a moderator; I'm a player.
So I can intervene and say:
YOU ARE BEING MORONS.

Your Titus impression is terrible. Needs more frustration. [/joke]

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

He can guarantee either me you or Yume survives the first NK against us through a public event. Yeah, I said it. Rr will probably hate me for it. Yes, that is worth letting live until he has to trigger it.

I rest my case.
That's a scum power.

I guarantee you, it's a scum power.

Wow. You just said you needed a mod confirmed town event. I gave it to you. You persist. Like holy fuck you are confbiased.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

Well, let's test that out

VOTE: SC

Fine. If NC is not happening, this might:

VOTE: Creature

Nc is the largest wagon and SC stands for SirCakez.

Yume deserted the NC wagon to vote SirCakez. That brought the NC wagon vote count down to 5, tied with RR. I decided I wanted to lynch Creature (or Shiro), and thus switched my vote to him. You then switched back to NC to bring it back to 5 votes on it.

I'm a bit annoyed by some players' behaviour right now. FB -for instance- is acting up and out of control, what with his announcement of being able to hand people a vig shot and picking some awful target (Shiro).

Right now, this is my lynch pool:

{

Seraphim, Klingoncelt,

} << Scum Lean
{

Not Chara,

} << Scum
{

Creature, Shiro,

} << Strong Scum

And I'm not seeing much support to lynch either of them. Even the NC wagon has been stalled for ages and I'm not too sure it will garner more than 8-9 votes at best. And then I have people asking me to explain my TOWN READ on them!!!!

You forgot I was voting NC at the time. Yet when you catch scum and are on the biggest wagon, stand firm unless game health depends on it or your read changes. I am thoroughly annoyed with the informal rule that the first wagon never goes through. Might as well stick a neon sign for scum. Midway not here, no need to bus.

I get you being annoyed with FB. Mastina and I are pretty much agreeing to disagree. Mastina's laid out their meta case I have been down. I am not 100% sure she's wrong either. I am just at 90-95% certain RR is town or trapped into bussing at this point. fB and Farside are calling names and insulting which doesn't work.

Mastina and I both want Cakey. Sheepy?

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

He can guarantee either me you or Yume survives the first NK against us through a public event. Yeah, I said it. Rr will probably hate me for it. Yes, that is worth letting live until he has to trigger it.

I rest my case.
That's a scum power.

I guarantee you, it's a scum power.

yes, and it's one we can lynch...

tomorrow

It might not work tomorrow. It's triggered by stress. So if we lynch scum RR gets a reprieve.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

He can guarantee either me you or Yume survives the first NK against us through a public event. Yeah, I said it. Rr will probably hate me for it. Yes, that is worth letting live until he has to trigger it.

I rest my case.
That's a scum power.
I guarantee you, it's a scum power.

Wow. You just said you needed a mod confirmed town event. I gave it to you. You persist. Like holy fuck you are confbiased.

When I said mod-confirmed.
I didn't mean power confirmed.
I meant ALIGNMENT CONFIRMED BY THE EVENT.

My power with Yume?
ALIGNMENT CONFIRMED BY THE EVENT.

RR's power?
Confirmed by the event, yes, but only the existence thereof. Not the alignment.
And that's what I meant.

You're saving Reasonably Rational off of a ROLE based reason, when that ROLE is not something Varsoon couldn't give to scum. Fuck! You'd know that better than anyone, you were scum in the first Steven Universe game with not one but TWO powers that were not something players would think scum would have, and yet,

they did

. YOU WERE ONE OF THEM. (Xtoxm was the other. As Reasonably Rational

this game

already went into at great length.)

It is a scum power.
I, 100%, guarantee you that much.

Look, we and try to meta the mod

which Varsoon warned us against

or we can keep RR alive and he'll be forced to use it as soon as possible. I know the trigger too. There's a point where you are cutting off your nose to spite your face.

There's a point why my SU thing worked well. I never had to use my actions and thus was never leashed. We had the information. Forcing RR to do that only hurts scum, not helps them.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

Ftr I've been chatting in the joy ride with Sue cakez more and I don't see him as scum

Would lynch Shiro, rr, snarky, grapes (I know this is odd but it's tries hard and from what I remember of grapes he doesn't make bad pushes) and some player that I'm missing in my leaning scum category of random and dgb (yes dgb does bus as scum)

Wow...practically the only thing I agree with here is that DGB busses as scum.

Mystical Cakey townread come on.

You have your mystical read on rr due to a pt.
Bite me.

No. My read isn't mystical or opportunistic, nor is my scum pool at least 75% town. You're basically disagreeing to disagree at this point Farside and trying to make me like you. I justify my statements. I try to work for town unity. You reads suddenly did a 180. You used to be near lock step but now you change. This is a pride thing. Come on.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

Also, sorry, I should have told you this in the PT, that was shitty of me, but I'm really irritated that right now I need to talk to Drixx about whether or not we should just go all out and discuss the rest of the events effects.

-Cerb

No. I did that because the Gamestate needed RR. I deliberately revealed as little as possible so scum would still know next to nothing.

Mastina and I cannot have these walls for pages. It isn't healthy and you know it.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

mastina won't live until tomorrow

If she is not doc-protected there will be words

QFT

Looking forward to our chat.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

Well, let's test that out

VOTE: SC

Fine. If NC is not happening, this might:

VOTE: Creature

Nc is the largest wagon and SC stands for SirCakez.

Yume deserted the NC wagon to vote SirCakez. That brought the NC wagon vote count down to 5, tied with RR. I decided I wanted to lynch Creature (or Shiro), and thus switched my vote to him. You then switched back to NC to bring it back to 5 votes on it.

I'm a bit annoyed by some players' behaviour right now. FB -for instance- is acting up and out of control, what with his announcement of being able to hand people a vig shot and picking some awful target (Shiro).

Right now, this is my lynch pool:

{

Seraphim, Klingoncelt,

} << Scum Lean
{

Not Chara,

} << Scum
{

Creature, Shiro,

} << Strong Scum

And I'm not seeing much support to lynch either of them. Even the NC wagon has been stalled for ages and I'm not too sure it will garner more than 8-9 votes at best. And then I have people asking me to explain my TOWN READ on them!!!!

You forgot I was voting NC at the time. Yet when you catch scum and are on the biggest wagon, stand firm unless game health depends on it or your read changes. I am thoroughly annoyed with the informal rule that the first wagon never goes through. Might as well stick a neon sign for scum. Midway not here, no need to bus.

I get you being annoyed with FB. Mastina and I are pretty much agreeing to disagree. Mastina's laid out their meta case I have been down. I am not 100% sure she's wrong either. I am just at 90-95% certain RR is town or trapped into bussing at this point. fB and Farside are calling names and insulting which doesn't work.

Mastina and I both want Cakey. Sheepy?

I called you crazy.
That's about the extent of my insults.
Well that and how you handled lylo as town in a game not too long ago.
I just think your tunneled and I really don't get the 3 thing.
He'll I just told Fb to give you a gun so I don't have this convoy day 2.
That's progress for me.

Really, you're still discrediting here.
It's not about ending the conversation. It's about being heard Farside. I feel like I am heard with Mastina, not you.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

Ftr I've been chatting in the joy ride with Sue cakez more and I don't see him as scum

Would lynch Shiro, rr, snarky, grapes (I know this is odd but it's tries hard and from what I remember of grapes he doesn't make bad pushes) and some player that I'm missing in my leaning scum category of random and dgb (yes dgb does bus as scum)

Wow...practically the only thing I agree with here is that DGB busses as scum.

Mystical Cakey townread come on.

You have your mystical read on rr due to a pt.
Bite me.

No. My read isn't mystical or opportunistic, nor is my scum pool at least 75% town. You're basically disagreeing to disagree at this point Farside and trying to make me like you. I justify my statements. I try to work for town unity. You reads suddenly did a 180. You used to be near lock step but now you change. This is a pride thing. Come on.

My reads change based on what I'm reading in the game titus.
I know that maybe hard to understand but I see things differently and don't just focus on one person and nothing else with the same reads over and over.
Only when I'm sure of my scum read will you see me tunell.

No. They are changing based on who lets you get away with nonsense.
Cakey has not done one useful thing in public. RR you can track his thought progression. He's town or arrogant scum who thinks he can capture me. There's no other interpretation.
Again, you don't understand my process and nor do you care to if you think my reads are static.
I have played the most games of anyone here on MS most likely. That means I have fuck ups.
The biggest downside to me is as I am only as good as the information I get. By calling me crazy and discrediting me, you make me fight for respect that naturally comes from being town.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

Well, let's test that out

VOTE: SC

Fine. If NC is not happening, this might:

VOTE: Creature

Nc is the largest wagon and SC stands for SirCakez.

Yume deserted the NC wagon to vote SirCakez. That brought the NC wagon vote count down to 5, tied with RR. I decided I wanted to lynch Creature (or Shiro), and thus switched my vote to him. You then switched back to NC to bring it back to 5 votes on it.

I'm a bit annoyed by some players' behaviour right now. FB -for instance- is acting up and out of control, what with his announcement of being able to hand people a vig shot and picking some awful target (Shiro).

Right now, this is my lynch pool:

{

Seraphim, Klingoncelt,

} << Scum Lean
{

Not Chara,

} << Scum
{

Creature, Shiro,

} << Strong Scum

And I'm not seeing much support to lynch either of them. Even the NC wagon has been stalled for ages and I'm not too sure it will garner more than 8-9 votes at best. And then I have people asking me to explain my TOWN READ on them!!!!

You forgot I was voting NC at the time. Yet when you catch scum and are on the biggest wagon, stand firm unless game health depends on it or your read changes. I am thoroughly annoyed with the informal rule that the first wagon never goes through. Might as well stick a neon sign for scum. Midway not here, no need to bus.

I get you being annoyed with FB. Mastina and I are pretty much agreeing to disagree. Mastina's laid out their meta case I have been down. I am not 100% sure she's wrong either. I am just at 90-95% certain RR is town or trapped into bussing at this point. fB and Farside are calling names and insulting which doesn't work.

Mastina and I both want Cakey. Sheepy?

I called you crazy.
That's about the extent of my insults.
Well that and how you handled lylo as town in a game not too long ago.
I just think your tunneled and I really don't get the 3 thing.
He'll I just told Fb to give you a gun so I don't have this convoy day 2.
That's progress for me.

Really, you're still discrediting here.
It's not about ending the conversation. It's about being heard Farside. I feel like I am heard with Mastina, not you.

No I read you fine.
I just disagree with you.
Just because I don't kiss your ass doesn't make me unreasonable.
Your reads unchanging make you unreasonable

I don't like players who kiss my ass.
I like players who challenge my reasoning and engage.
Mastina and I have a clear difference in interpretation of what to do AND how to play this type of situation.
You, you are basically scumreading the people not kissing your ass. Snarky? He's in your pool for his push on you. Grapes, because he wants to lynch NC.

My reads change with new evidence. Some of my beliefs are static. I will explain them as many times as I have to. If there's a logical flaw, I am open to it.

You are basically not open to any theory from me, which is sad.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

Ftr I've been chatting in the joy ride with Sue cakez more and I don't see him as scum

Would lynch Shiro, rr, snarky, grapes (I know this is odd but it's tries hard and from what I remember of grapes he doesn't make bad pushes) and some player that I'm missing in my leaning scum category of random and dgb (yes dgb does bus as scum)

Wow...practically the only thing I agree with here is that DGB busses as scum.

Mystical Cakey townread come on.

You have your mystical read on rr due to a pt.
Bite me.

No. My read isn't mystical or opportunistic, nor is my scum pool at least 75% town. You're basically disagreeing to disagree at this point Farside and trying to make me like you. I justify my statements. I try to work for town unity. You reads suddenly did a 180. You used to be near lock step but now you change. This is a pride thing. Come on.

My reads change based on what I'm reading in the game titus.
I know that maybe hard to understand but I see things differently and don't just focus on one person and nothing else with the same reads over and over.
Only when I'm sure of my scum read will you see me tunell.

No. They are changing based on who lets you get away with nonsense.
Cakey has not done one useful thing in public. RR you can track his thought progression. He's town or arrogant scum who thinks he can capture me. There's no other interpretation.
Again, you don't understand my process and nor do you care to if you think my reads are static.
I have played the most games of anyone here on MS most likely. That means I have fuck ups.
The biggest downside to me is as I am only as good as the information I get. By calling me crazy and discrediting me, you make me fight for respect that naturally comes from being town.

Show where rr has stated progressive thoughts about players in this game.

When you justify your NC townread based on more than feels. Otherwise, I don't trust you to listen.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

I mean with Shiro posting it comes off as goal posting and trying to make non-sensical reads and I have no clue how that comes off as toen

Goal posting?

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

No really I don't Farside. Your Snarky read has been there since he pushed you.
The argument you made on grapes is bop not meta. The argument grapes posted makes sense because it is correct and valid. You don't like it, so you search in your head for a reason not to. It's what you're doing here.

Look to work with people. I justified with information from the hood at major expense to our plans to justify my read on rr. You won't justify anything beyond confbias. You keep claiming I ignore you after I highlight there's nothing there but confirmation bias.

180 on reads that so closely match Mastina when we agree to lynch Cakey isn't natural. You should explain it.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

Snarky, vote RR.

Nah not interested atm

RR is a mild townlean for me, I am more interested in voting / pressuring elsewhere.

Yeah I'm not really keen on the Chara wagon atm

Ignore KTS for now. It'll be clear what his alignment is after he's posted some. For now he'll probably just troll. Give it till ~Day 3 imo

Especially after calling creature "perfect null" and then putting him not in the nullpile. (see 934)

I disagree with like... 90% of that. grapes / farside are like nullscum at least. Creature is a lot more town, xkyfu is pretty town, Obi is pretty town.

VOTE: SirCakez

Well, now I'm like 35 pages behind wp guys

Not sure if anything has changed but I liked Creature as town last I read.

Explain to me how this is more of a scum lurker than Klingon or X, with quotes.

Snarky isn't lurking, just overwhelmed.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

I'm down with that. You vote first.

Klingon isn't faking reads, because she hasn't stated any. (Which is still pretty much a scumclaim from Klingon.)

Okay.

Enough.

Varsoon, I'm sorry, but she does this shit every fucking game we're in and I'm done with it.

Titus

explain to everyone why you have to lie about me and my Day1 reads every goddamn game we're in.

I don't know why the fuck you're doing this, you owe me a fucking explanation.

And then you should replace out.

Really really really scummy.

No, it isn't Scummy. She's bing about my playstyle (regardless of our alignments) for some time now.

I got pissed off and told her to quit during the Space Dandy game. Obviously she hasn't.

It's harassment.

I'll compile all the game/post links and contact a list mod.

#

donewiththatshit

Just what is a "lie"?

It's not harassment to scumread an ISO with less content than a donald trump answer. Now, you're threatening to go to the list mods over it. Did I attack your character? No. Did I advertise to others? No. I think you're a lovely person that drew scum.

I townread you in Saga. When we've played together lately, you've been scum a fair amount. So, you are going to get scumread. Have I been wrong before? Sure.

You know what would actually help?

Comments on things that happen.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

Link a game where you was at least 75% correct on your scumreads.

Suikoden Mafia, I have mentioned it like 10 times trough here and I

usually detest meta

but the game is so apt.

The wagon pattern on LQ (all town stalls out) is dramatically similar to the wagon on NC (all town stall). The defenses used were the same. The biggest read I was wrong on (and maybe the only read I was wrong on, was the masons).


Suikoden Mafia

You can't really count that, poor Lickety was in an absolute panic, I think it was his first Scumgame. His play was somewhere between heartbreaking fail and comedy gold, everyone wanted to lynch him Day1.

I can count anything I want to. Whether others agree is another matter.

Second, my theories regarding votes usually do not factor in personalities.

Third, LQ's lynch is textbook no scum bus wagon behavior.

Fourth, Are you attempting to argue that my reads shouldn't count as good because I successfully detected newb scum in RVS?

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

Goal posting is in short a player who is making negative comments towards another to make their case read better.
Example is oh you caught me but I do this so yo7 are scum for calling me out on my shit.
Shiro isn't trying to figure A50 out she is basically trying to just make A60 look scummy no matter what he says at all in this game.
There is also the gaps of logic and focusing only on the lie detector point to keep pushing repeatedly as the best thing since slice milk.

Ok., What do you call Klingon's exclusive focus on defending themselves? Then they just attack my credibility? Then they threaten to tr and involve list mods if I didn't townread them? Then they also systemically have a reason why I have to be wrong but zero scumhunting?

Every time I draw your attention there, you ignore it. She by far is a worse active lurker and goal poster than anything about Shiro. Shiro is wrong and tunnelling.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

@Kling

ALLY WITH ME Titus doesnt want to

I feel really certain you are town.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

The said he was catching up.
I get that this game is a lot more stuff being said and trying to keep up being difficult.
I don't see him as inactive for a game that is exploding.
Honestly 3 of us have gone in there just so we can have a conversation that isn't stalled by others.
Cakes is giving his thoughts in there and we are all just trying to see where each of us stand.

Cakes is avoiding scrutiny for shit.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

Like he's the biggest wagon in the biggest wagon in the thread and he only retreats to be undisturbed

now

? He's retreating to lurk out his wagon and get you to do what they want Farside.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

Just what is a "lie"?

When you tell players that I have complete reads lists less than 72 hours into a game.

When you say I lurk.

When you say things about my playstyle that are untrue.

When you give out false information about my playstyle.



I already said that I have a meta as a Day 3 player. I also have a meta for being an absolute shit player on Day1. You're saying neither of those things about me. You're making shit up. I told you to stop it in the last Space Dandy game, why are you still doing it?

Your selfmeta is garbage. Sorry. I don't give a shit about it.

You are fully capable of asking useful questions, reading major events and commenting, and answering questions as town.

You aren't here.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

woah stop pressuring joint they're scum. I'd know because I've mislynched them a lot I think. plus they're just town anyway loll

anyways Kling you should ally wit me and stuff.

Also people vote Mastin pls VOTE: Mastin

No.

No one is voting you or Mastina.

Oh what do you know, suspicious wagon stall again.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

Titus, I will sheep you on cakez for cookies and a promise that you will reread and think about almost with an open mind, deal?


P.edit.
So you claimed. Till I see it confirmed I am calling be shenanigans.

Deal.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

VOTE: Killthestory

And anyone who votes a confirmed town is dumb.

He is pretending to be dumb. That doesn't make him scum.

Come back to voting scum.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

MAGENTA WOLF

wants to know why Mastin is confirmed town.

MAGENTA WOLF

also wants to tell you that dumb doesn't equal alignment or else he'd be voting you right now.

They are masons with each other by mod confirmation.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

Like he's the biggest wagon in the biggest wagon in the thread and he only retreats to be undisturbed

now

? He's retreating to lurk out his wagon and get you to do what they want Farside.

Also to be okay with only certain players allowed to lurk is BS.
This is why I'm ignoring you.
Snarky sure as shit didn't defend himself.

Bite me

No one is allowed to lurk. That's insane.

You're ignoring me because I disagree with you.

Snarky isn't lurking.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

Thank you.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

Varsoon

Can you confirm Almost50 is town?

How the hell does this post look like a lie detection actionvation ?

Woops! My bad! Upon second look it does look like a doctor protection.. or a dayvig .. WAIT! That's a satellite rocket launch count down activation! Yep. Got it now. Thanks for setting me straight!

Are you a fucking moron? Not only I doubt that lie detection can happen in fucking game but you need to specify which post you are lie detection.

There is nothing in this post tgat would make anyone assume so unless they actively searched for hints and panicked.

P.edit
Cookies!

Vote:SirCakez

Thank you.

Oh and so you know calling A50, your biggest scumread, a moron is actually severely undermining your push on him.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

I was skimming down to post to say I'm gonna start catch up now and I see Titus accusing me of lurking again?
I was inactive sitewide yesterday, the only things I did were post a little bit in games that had just opened up yesterday. Taking a 30-mile bike ride does that.

So get that shit out of here.

Catching up now.

Oh come on. Farside said you were posting in the PT. I know you weren't posting here.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

Like he's the biggest wagon in the biggest wagon in the thread and he only retreats to be undisturbed

now

? He's retreating to lurk out his wagon and get you to do what they want Farside.

Also to be okay with only certain players allowed to lurk is BS.
This is why I'm ignoring you.
Snarky sure as shit didn't defend himself.

Bite me

No one is allowed to lurk. That's insane.

You're ignoring me because I disagree with you.

Snarky isn't lurking.

Yes he is.

Sc has posted way more and to calling lurking is BS.
Just like rr does nothing to defend himself, but that's okay with titus.
Basically your fucking bias.

Volume =\= Active

RR has defended himself. SC ran to your PT and is only coming out now. SC has no content of value, RR does.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

Like the worst fucking case and points from a player are town and anyone trying is scum.

I didn't enter backwards land again. Did i?

No. You entered egoland party of 1.

You

Still

refuse to discuss Klingon. You still paint a wrong narrative of Snarky.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

Oh and so you know calling A50, your biggest scumread, a moron is actually severely undermining your push on him.

I am aware but I am getting pissed off >.>

but why tho

I dunno, he just aggrivates me. He is the only person that has that effect on me. This is the second time it happens. The first being Bloodborn.

I get getting passed, but it conveys you think he's dumb town and gives him that out. It also makes you look like your posting with feels rather than scum.

I am still going to look over your case though.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

Yeah, RR scumhunt, you dismiss it as "weak".

RR hasn't lurked. At all. There's a difference between PR being less vocal and lurking.

Now you're still justifying SirCakez avoiding the thread when he's the largest wagon. I get calling someone to a PT. That does not excuse them from posting here. Your justification was to avoid interruption or some such nonsense. That's scum avoiding the thread.

Klingon has been doing everything you attribute to RR and Shiro, but you will not address it.

You say I am not reading, when you are clearly selectively replying to what I say.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

Like the worst fucking case and points from a player are town and anyone trying is scum.

I didn't enter backwards land again. Did i?

No. You entered egoland party of 1.

You

Still

refuse to discuss Klingon. You still paint a wrong narrative of Snarky.

Explain how I'm wrong.
I gave a link to his town game already which I bet money you didn't even fucking read.

I lived his town game and mislynched him before.

I already quoted all the scumhunting Snowman did before being overwhelmed.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

@Cakey, You've been null to scumreading NC for the most part lately, but you always have something better to do.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

I have company today. Place nice and get scum lynched.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

@Farside, It should not be those following Titus versus those following Mastina.

The problem is, you refuse to even address things like Klingon that go against your point. I prove you wrong. You ignore me and repeat the same points. That's exactly what NC and Cakes are doing to but they are scum. You refuse to address Klingon yet you whine about lurkers and goal posting.

Your reads suddenly 180 and none of us see why.

The problem is you aren't coming to the table. When you cannot agree with conftown, maybe the problem is you and that you are not listening.

Take a chill pill. See if Cakez and NC and Cooldog do anything other than whine about being caught.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

@Mastina, I have done everything you've done regarding Mastina. I am open to being wrong. I just don't want to lynch my townreads, especially when they'll vote scum. I have that history where Drixx was doing little and claimed. I was utterly convinced he was scum. Eventually, I had to learn how Drixx and Cerb do things differently.

Did you see SirCakez read on Fire? He said Fire is town because Fire isn't trying. That's extremely false. I don't see how anyone can argue Fire isn't trying here. And that's the justification for his reads.

@Farside, What is your Klingon read?

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

As of right now NC, I am not opposed to it.

You know what would help? Voting NC.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

As of right now NC, I am not opposed to it.

You know what would help? Voting NC.

was this a typo, or did you request me to vote myself in exchange for allying with me? :>

Typo. Meant SC.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

I feel like the chance there is scum in my neighborhood is pretty decent now.

You know what to do to rescue Farside from that echo chamber.

SirCakez 2016.

*goes back to flu life*

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

@Almost, Fire is doing something. That's town fire. He might come around to vote SirCakez. We don't have to understand Fire. No one gets anyone 100%.

The game is about not just identifying town but getting everyone to work with each other. Let Fire work it out.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

@Almost50, These biases are how people scumhunt. I will talk your ear off later but they are frustrating.

@Fire, Thank you.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

*how people can be scumhunted

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

Can we not do the arguing over credit thing today? Lynch scum

then

argue over who gets credit. We have enough fatalistic things. Fire trying to get lynched, Almost publicly grieving over his hood choices he had to make with imperfect info, Farside listening to scum, let's not add ego fest right now. Any lynch on scum is because town worked as a team and forced scum to give up or made their efforts inadequate. Mastina obvtowned and pushed their gut/meta on Cakey. RR eviscerated their wall. I stood firm and helped gather town while trying to keep fighting ng to a minimum (for me) while highlighting why I had Cakey as scum. Town works best as a unit. People have their processes. Let them do it. Don't get overexcited by saying it has to be you.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

Yume even helped by reigniting the wagon. Everyone helped.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

If I am a lying, I a must be scum.
Vote me.

K

VOTE: Firebringer
But the game won't be the same without you

DGB, Fire's feeling bad. That doesn't make him scum. Come vote scum.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

So whats your reads anyways DGB?

I'm way behind where I should be with reads. One thing I am not seeing is the usual Day 1 nervous scum making mistakes so I am going to guess that the scum team has a proficient scum game overall. I know that doesn't really answer your question.

Having been deaded elsewhere I will have more time to consecrate to this one in the near future.

Nervous mistakes? Example?

I think we're looking at a divide and conquer strategy here.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

I think its strikingly weird you agree with the case on Cakez, when its made by Mastin who you already say you disagree with.

What makes them right about Cakez but wrong about you? You just say she is wrong about it. You don't contemplate a real thing that most town players do when a person reads them wrong. That the chance is that other of their reads are likely also wrong.

(pssst - Fire... I think it's called busing...)

RR can agree with one thing Mastina said and not another.

But if you think RR is bussing, you should totally help him? (And actually be bussing lol)

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

So whats your reads anyways DGB?

I'm way behind where I should be with reads. One thing I am not seeing is the usual Day 1 nervous scum making mistakes so I am going to guess that the scum team has a proficient scum game overall. I know that doesn't really answer your question.

Having been deaded elsewhere I will have more time to consecrate to this one in the near future.

Nervous mistakes? Example?

I think we're looking at a divide and conquer strategy here.

You missed this DGB.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

Obi Wan Titus is town

I came to this conclusion pretty early.

You were supposed to scumread me.

Why can I never get scumreads when I want them...

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

@NC, I am with DGB.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

I counterclaim part of SirCakez.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

but he can make pro-town players BP.

Any scum an fakeclaim that, since they already know whom they are killing.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

but he can make pro-town players BP.

Any scum an fakeclaim that, since they already know whom they are killing.

Just knew that the joy ride could target each other and could not be targeted by anyone outside the group.
I was aware of the voting everyone for the same player and getting an extra vote, which I hinted at.

So, why the resistance to voting obvscum? Wouldn't the rest of you get the power?

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

^^^ Resignation. He's done.