STEVEN UNIVERSE 2 - GAME OVER

[Not Chara]

so back to the neighbourhood between grapes and i...

[Almost50]

OK. I'm at the bottom of page 49; and I have 3 things (ok, 2 now) I wanted to mention before I forgot:

1- farside voting SC hit me as a surprise. I had just read a full read list in which SC was town. What gives?

2- grapes explaining that negative utility is like .. blowing it over? I actually had to go reread my own role PM in search of a bonus that I might've missed, and I don't see anything I could gain from having an ally, so I guess I'm still down to ally with you if you want to. *Shrug*

3- This WAS a point I wanted to respond to, but it's changed now.

Spoiler:

At the time NC was responding to OWK telling them they're not confirmed, they happened to mention grapes in that post, only grapes had not been voting them yet.. just stated the intention to.

OWK clearly said 4 players VOTING, and I think they even mentioned them by name earlier. Even if they didn't, the VC tells you who is voting you, so to say OWK,grapes and Almost are not confirmed is a bit misleading to those who are not following closely, bc -if I wasn't on the wagon myself- I would've thought you meant THREE out FOUR are not conf!Town in your opinion, which is FALSE.

I hope I'm making myself clear. I often struggle to make my points. My point is OWK thinks 4/4 are conf!Town and arguing it. The response hints 3/4 are not, when in fact 2 voters have not been addressed bc they ARE conf!Town to the majority (Yume's not conf!Town to me still until Mastina elaborates on the subject). Furthermore, OWK themselves ARE conf!Town to the majority of players, so there were at least 3 conf!Town there no matter how you put it.

[SirCakez]

That was poorly worded. More like a lot less active as compared to you and grapes.
That's dodging the point of that question though.

No it isn't. In no universe is A50 a lurker. We both know he's town. I was the target of last resort.

You are clearly dodging the point
The point is that A50 or grapes would have been easier and better pushes for me to make as scum
You haven't said anything about that at all

STILL dodging this I see

Calling it a night now

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

That was poorly worded. More like a lot less active as compared to you and grapes.
That's dodging the point of that question though.

No it isn't. In no universe is A50 a[youtube][/youtube] lurker. We both know he's town. I was the target of last resort.

You are clearly dodging the point
The point is that A50 or grapes would have been easier and better pushes for me to make as scum
You haven't said anything about that at all

STILL dodging this I see

Calling it a night now

Not a dodge. The pair are unassailable. That's my point.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

@Whoever is calling me out for not posting

I will post tomorrow when I am done with my classes, I have just been kind of busy recently.

~Bee

[Seraphim]

Unvote
Vote: McMenno

McMenno vs SirCakez, I prefer McMenno.
Mastin, why do you think McMenno is town? I am really interested.

When I have more time, I will iso Not Chara. They have posted an awful lot so it's hard for me to get a lock; I want to delve deep into their mind and play to get the understanding I want.

[Klingoncelt]

I kind of would rather u get lynched then Chara today, just so we kill that meta.

You're just mad because I called you Scum.

[Klingoncelt]

I kind of would rather I get lynched then Chara today, just so we kill that meta.

Fixed
Don't know why auto put in U

Nevermind...

[mastin2]

Mastin, why do you think McMenno is town? I am really interested.

Basically, difference between town lurkers and scum lurkers.
McMenno, I believe, is a town lurker, for some very specific reasons.
Xkfyu, I believe, is the scum lurker.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

Mastin, why do you think McMenno is town? I am really interested.

Basically, difference between town lurkers and scum lurkers.
McMenno, I believe, is a town lurker, for some very specific reasons.
Xkfyu, I believe, is the scum lurker.

And Klingon? I wouldn't call McMenno a lurker though.

[Seraphim]

I think both could very possibly be scum. And I would be VERY interested in those reasons. I am someone who prides themselves on being able to read town intent and authenticity in posts. None of McMenno's posts have had it. What am I missing?

[mastin2]

Klingoncelt is barely avoiding being in my scum pool. I want to put her in there so badly, but she's not quite at the same level as the other four. That list I made contains a gradual progression of most town to least town, and right now, she's sitting at fifth from the bottom: maybe she's actually scum and deserves to be in the scum pile, maybe she isn't and I haven't found the person to put below her, too soon to tell for sure. But if you think I'm townreading her, the answer is hell no.

[mastin2]

I am someone who prides themselves on being able to read town intent and authenticity in posts. None of McMenno's posts have had it. What am I missing?

In the old site meta, nothing.
In the new site meta, what you need to be looking for is reading for scum intent and inauthenticy in posts. McMenno's posts lack it. There's more to it than that, reasons I'm still holding back, but that's part of it.

Why do you think people like Firebringer and Killthestory spampost/shitpost? It's the new generation's way of showing they're town.
Do I approve, no, but have I adapted, yes.

[mastin2]

(Not that many of them will actually admit it, of course.)

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

@Seraphim, The scumhunting?

@Mastina, You should skim their hydra in Suikoden. They were scum there. There's no scumhunting in their ISO in either place. Klingon is in my scumreads. Look at how little interactions with NC, SirCakez, RR, and Creature in their ISO.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

Every single allegation about Sera, Almost50, McMenno, and others is lurking, yet not a single one remembers Klingon.

[DrippingGoofball]

I kind of would rather u get lynched then Chara today, just so we kill that meta.

You're just mad because I called you Scum.

He says he's scum, too

There goes your theory

[Klingoncelt]

So far my scummish pile is foxbird/shiro/klingon. They all feel like they're coasting and I haven't seen much from them that gives me any reason to think that they're trying solve the game at all.

Klingon is the worst because she's made the most posts and they've all been noise outside of a few bad questions and a forced SR on fire which doesn't feel like something she believes in.

VOTE: Grapes

Your white-knighting for Firebringer is noted.

And he is a Scumread.

Hey, Townies, my vote on Grapes is sheep-worthy.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

I kind of would rather u get lynched then Chara today, just so we kill that meta.

You're just mad because I called you Scum.

He says he's scum, too

There goes your theory

Give me a hug. I need DGB thoughts. Just show me you are scumhunting. I feel this close but...

[Klingoncelt]

OK, Yume is widely town read. WHY? Is it bc Mastina said so and people are assuming that's got to be based on INFO rather than a normal read? Or is it bc Yume confirmed Mastina as Town?? And if the latter, what would YOU have done were you scum and got invited to a hood where it says "X is Town"?? Would you have even thought of keeping it to yourself, IF YOU WERE SCUM?

Maybe my mind is skewed, but I'm thinking in reverse. I'd keep it to myself for the time being as TOWN and see how people are treating the one I know to be conf!Town. I'd go out and air it as SCUM for Town!Cred and -maybe- as a means to pass some message to my peers.

But to each their own, and I'm inclined to treat this one issue as NAI, which brings me back to the original question: WHY has Yume become semi-confirmed after Mastina put her at the top of her reads??

Unless the Mod says so, no one is "c" to any degree.

"Obv", on the other hand, is acceptable.

Anyway, most of us were Townreading Mastin. Obv.

Mastin has an above-average accuracy at reading other players.

She puts Yume at the top of her Town list.

Yume is therefore ObvTown.

[Klingoncelt]

If any of my townreads are down. Would like a new ally.

Grapes/Chara alliance not working out for you?

It's awful early on Day 1 to be waning a divorce.

[Klingoncelt]

Anyone supports a scum!grapes?

I do.

[Klingoncelt]

She always scumreads me as scum and the players she's scumreading looks like a list of who scum should push for a mislynch.

Who what?

[Klingoncelt]

DGB

Are you sure Titus usually makes opportunistic-looking readlists as town?

No, Titus never does that as Town.

As Town she genuinely tries to sort players.

[mastin2]

By the way, Firebringer: this may surprise you, but I'm deferring my Shiro read to you.
You tell me Shiro's town, I'll believe you.
You tell me to lynch Shiro, I'll sheep you.

I don't think I'm qualified to read Shiro, but I actually think you

are

, and you also have a topic with Shiro, so. Enjoy free reign over that read.

When it comes to Cooldog, there's something I need to look into. I've got a suspicion he might be the scum we're looking for, but I'm not absolutely sure yet.
Right now, on my list, he's right above Klingoncelt. (Who is, yaknow. At the bottom of the middle tier.)

Keeping my other thoughts private for the time being.