Mini 1820 — Lazy Summer Mafia (Game Over)

[MariaR]

I've felt uneasy just being tr with being a tracker claim it feels cheap but I guess nothing I could do about it but let me see if I understand

You think scum is also in Infinity/Vedith but

You can't tell if Vedith is obv scum

or

If Infinity is playing really well scum?

[Vedith]

Rask it trying to get out of this 1 v 1 we have... :<
Scum is in either me or Rask. I'm sure.

Stop trying to butter people up Rask with the "Oh my god Infinity, I love your play as scum, if you're scum you totes diserve this win, hehe!"

If Ifinity wins as scum it's because he's shit, not because he plays well as scum.

[Infinity 324]

Actually I just realised the point against vedith also applies to infinity WRT to not wanting vedith lynched and preferring VTs if possible. Vedith is using terrible logic for townreading infinity but infinity is actually fencesitty-ish.

Infinity go into your read on me and vedith again.

You I think may be scum based on your play today, but I've been meaning to ISO you, DGB, and LQ and never did.

Not sure why I townread vedith. I think it's a tone thing. Need to look over quolls again though.

I'm not sure if infinity repeatedly referring to today as lylo is significant or what it would mean if it was

Lol I just meant late game in general

On one hand it takes infinity a while to get the double doc anti-town conclusion when he played a recent game double rolecop game (1805), but on the other hand him questioning my motivation here when was super lazy in that lylo makes sense.

@rask Do you tend to lose interest in the game during lylo as town? I find in general scum tend to lose interest more often while town is usually more motivated.

But how this is phrased is actually a bit awkward I think.
The question is perfect but the statement after it should be held for later with a judgement on what the answer is, putting that statement here devalues the question itself if directed to scum.

Though infinity scum here would still be an incredibly impressive game from him whereas with vedith it wouldn't be at all a surprise.

Re: 1805, that game was kinda at the back of my mind throughout this one. One of the rolecops was shot night 1 so there was never a cc anyway.

I wasn't in lylo in the game? But it's true my motivation went down as the game went on, also in a couple other of my scum games.

I wanted to hold my read on you so I could pretend to scumread you near lynch and use it to avoid a nightkill, but you're the last person I'd lynch in this scenario. I'm surprised everyone else came to that conclusion independently though.

Didn't think there was one scum role that's basically a fruit vendor in this game, really don't think there are 2.

[MariaR]

Rask it trying to get out of this 1 v 1 we have... :<
Scum is in either me or Rask. I'm sure.

Stop trying to butter people up Rask with the "Oh my god Infinity, I love your play as scum, if you're scum you totes diserve this win, hehe!"

If Ifinity wins as scum it's because he's shit, not because he plays well as scum.

Can I ask what made you sr me early on please?

[Vedith]

You I think may be scum based on your play today, but I've been meaning to ISO you, DGB, and LQ and never did.

I didn't see DGB mention Rask once...
Who else didn't DGB mention once? Dunn?! Hmmmmmmmmmm
HMMMMMMMMMMM!

As I already said, DGB is obviously trying to change her play style (I'm not sure for better or worse right now) but old habbits die hard (or are hard to die) but you get my point.

[Raskolnikov]

I've felt uneasy just being tr with being a tracker claim it feels cheap but I guess nothing I could do about it but let me see if I understand

You think scum is also in Infinity/Vedith but

You can't tell if Vedith is obv scum

or

If Infinity is playing really well scum?

That's the gist of it. I still want vedith by far over infinity though. I don't want to be wrong there after my read on him the entire game.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... &start=200
Combined ISO around the DGB lynch is interesting. Infinity is almost disappointed with DGB talking to him which is eh, but both vedith and infinity play the wagon pretty similar with talking about jarjar as a potential association.
Vedith straight up says DGB is scum and LQ looks town which to be fair town(jarjar) agreed on because it was CW-esque and infinity liked that as post.
Thing is with vedith doing the super delayed cc onto dgb is dodgy (enough time passed that no other cc was possible) and his assertion of lq town didnt have any reasoning given unlike the others coming to that conclusion.
Overall I can generally follow infinity and see progression when I look at him but not so much for vedith.

[Vedith]

Rask it trying to get out of this 1 v 1 we have... :<
Scum is in either me or Rask. I'm sure.

Stop trying to butter people up Rask with the "Oh my god Infinity, I love your play as scum, if you're scum you totes diserve this win, hehe!"

If Ifinity wins as scum it's because he's shit, not because he plays well as scum.

Can I ask what made you sr me early on please?

The shitty way you 'slipped' and then started to AtE, then backed off as we were scumming it together else where at the time.
Then I decided against it, as I felt you were completley different in the other game due to having other players you know well in there (The AtE in that game was always against me your scum buddy or against Gerry or Trans, your friends).

[Marquis]

VOTECOUNT 5.04

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Infinity 324

— MariaR
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MariaR

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Raskolnikov

— Vedith
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Slandaar

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Vedith

— Raskolnikov

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NOT VOTING

— Infinity 324, Slandaar

With 5 alive, it takes 3 votes to lynch.

Deadline is in

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[Slandaar]

1805 is a brilliant example of what I was talking about. You can see the synergy with the double rolecop there. You can't here.

3 shot vig
1 shot bp
2 Rolecop neighbours

The game above is balanced because you can logically deduce both rolecops are town both being neighbours. The 2 docs here just don't make sense.

For full disclosure I felt infinity accusing rb of faking his annoyance of LQ was town. It just doesn't seem like the type of argument scum make.

One reason there could be 2 docs is so that if a protection happens (with IC/FN etc) you don't know who was protected but still feel that the two docs would mess town up way too much and so this reasoning falls flat. (It wouldn't be a debate about who is confirmed town/weaken the protection results it would be a discussion about which doc to lynch) so actually yeah not a valid reason.

All things considered I just don't see how Infinity can be town with his claim. The whole argument is the claim but I can't look past it.

VOTE: Infinity

[Raskolnikov]

Slandaar isn't watcher here more of an unbalanced setup than double doc though?

[Raskolnikov]

Who would you lynch if you were ignoring all the claim stuff?

[Raskolnikov]

Welp, it could be another 2 days before he pops in again.

[MariaR]

oh god

[Slandaar]

Slandaar isn't watcher here more of an unbalanced setup than double doc though?

It's double Doc.

Most towns will lynch both Doc claims without much thought that isn't a sensible balancing strategy.

Vedith is the answer to the other question but I really think Infinity is the scum here.

[Raskolnikov]

@Infinity, vedith (less so)
FMPOV the only way this is actually a loss is if slandaar himself is scum which would mean town did get a ridiculous amount of power and his DGB association would have to be really good distancing.
The thing is logically one of you has to be town and you both townread the other, but when your pick for scum is me that doesn't give me a lot of faith in your townread accuracy on the other person either.

Now, since according to your reads you think this loses the game, the onus is actually on you to fight this.
More particularly, you would have to convince me of your townread onto the other person if you are sure (and not dumb logic aka vedith "why would he visit me?? why would he claim doc??") and why scum is neither you nor this person and who it is then.

[Infinity 324]

Will do.

You explained most of the logical reasons I townread vedith but there's the gut that I can't shake.

[Vedith]

This is not how Rask plays as town

All I see is Rask trying to look for a second lynch other than me even though we are in 1 v 1

[Raskolnikov]

For your own sake I really hope you're scum here.

[Vedith]

For your own sake I really hope you're scum here.

Typical scum comment here...

[Infinity 324]

>vedith starting to play more like late game scum

[Vedith]

VOTE: Infinity

Slandaar and Rask can just lynch me tomorrow.

[Raskolnikov]

I was half expecting that tbh.

Though infinity really didn't seem concerned with the situation and I thought he'd fight a lot harder than he has.

[Raskolnikov]

VOTE: Infinity

Slandaar and Rask can just lynch me tomorrow.

Is this a scumclaim tho?

[Raskolnikov]

The sentence I mean, not the vote.

[Raskolnikov]

Hey infinity if you're actually town you should give last thoughts before flip.