Just from the last 4 pages:
pwayne wrote:ChronX- His request for a claim was weird. Too bold for a role fishing imo, but noted. sitting on fences here.
shaft wrote:I felt my ChronX vote was much more explained than what you gave me credit for. There was more to what ChronX did than make a call for a claim. And in regards to the ckillor vote, all of my suspects had been replaced. I don't think maintaining a vote on a replacement would be fruitful, as in all of my past experiences the replacements just say "yeah that guy was scummy, wonder why he did that?"
rishi wrote:But, I think the case against ChronX (now lordy) has already been elaborated. He was sitting on the fence, accusing people who have already been accused by others. He used FoS's instead of votes many times. And he antagonized people. The last one is not necessarily a scumtell, but it's not helpful either.
ckillor wrote:most recently i find chronX scummy because of some of his crap logic jdodge and panzer may both be ass hats but i disagree with his comment about no concern for the game and think he is just trying to find an opening to releive pressure on himself.
tylerj wrote:Still, I have yet to see why everyone is jumping on Chronx. I'll have to look it up, but so far I have yet to see a scumtell out of him. The only thing that got my attention was CA's defending against him.
aioqwe wrote:Most people are on him because of his fishy play when he asked for a claim and putting pressure on and relieving pressure contradictory to what he stated he wanted to do in his posts.
dasquian wrote: I still don't find ChronX scummy
shaft wrote:I made my case for ChronX a while back here it is again to refresh:
shaft.ed wrote:
ChronX, I realize my play was unexplained. I aught to have time to get some more content behind it.
Your request for a claim came off as very scummy to me. I really don't see the reasons behind the Tyler bandwagon as being well founded. Thus, I felt you were trying to exploit the flimsy wagon by getting a roleclaim out of it. To boot I felt your excuse for asking for the claim was quite unwarranted. He was at L-2 with very little discussion going on. Furthermore, you moving your vote to him in order to keep the pressure on invalidates your reasoning for requesting the claim.
ChronX wrote:
The wagon on you isn't going away and there are a couple of players not voting whose actions, in this game and meta-wise, are not entirely predictable.
Clearly you are saying you are worried about someone else moving their vote to TylerJ and lynching him before he can claim. Now that you have moved your vote to him, it is clear that you are only interested in his claim, and not worried about someone coming in and rashly lynching a powerrole before they get a chance to claim. The wagon definitely isn't going away if you add your vote to it. Your reasoning is even further conflicting when you later state:
ChronX wrote:
My suspect list continues to be Max and GH
If Max and GH are still your top suspects, and you're worried about someone(s) coming along and suddenly lynching an unclaimed player on a -2 bandwagon, why are you maintaining that player at -2 and moving your vote off of one of your top suspects?
shaft.ed wrote:
What really jumped out at me was when ChronX argued that he is worried that a pair of unknowns could swing in and lynch Tyler before the town even gets a chance to hear a roleclaim. First of all, the people voting for him have done piss poor jobs of making their case against him. Anyone that would come along and add a lynching vote to this bandwagon would likely be in a poor situation should Tyler come up town. Secondly, only Dasq and Rishi had even talked about Tyler's scumminess in the last page and a half. Although no votes have moved, it was effectively not a topic of discussion at the time aside from Rishi's post just before you. And lastly you state that the non-voters are too unpredictable for you. These players are myself, ckillor, aioqwe and Max.
I am currently playing in another game with you so you should be familiar with my playstyle. I have not moved my vote around all willy nilly there nor here, so I know you aren't talking about me in this instance. I haven't meta'd or played with the other players, but ckillor hasn't placed a vote since the random phase. Your lucky to even get content from him and you seriously think he'd just jump in and hammer a L-2 player when the majority of the town find him scummy? Then you have aoiqwe, who also hasn't placed a vote since the random phase. How are you reasonably worried that either of these two players are going to jump and and finish off a bandwagon before a claim? Finally you have Max. I haven't meta'd Max, but judging from his join date it's likely many of you have played with him. Someone else could probably help me out here if it is or isn't likely to expect Max to hammer in this situation. But Max has also not moved his vote since the random phase. And I'd also repeat many players have chimed in stating they find Max scummy. I very much doubt he'd hammer against the town's wishes with such a weak D1 performance.
What this last longwinded paragraph boils down to is that your fear was that two of the Max, ckillor, aioqwe, me quartet might come in and hammer Tyler before the town got a chance to hear his claim. That's a junk argument as three of those players haven't even laid down a vote since the random phase.
tyler wrote:Okay, I forgot about the fact that Chronx did the role pushing thing. Now that clears up things a bit.
