Thanatos wrote:It's interesting that I see a weird relationship between Nudude and charter. It's true that moving her vote like that was awkward, but I wonder if he's looking too strongly for evidence. Then again, scum would, likely, want to lie low in the random voting phase, though I suppose the best ones try to take charge. Dark Lady's vote is pretty awkward as well...
What do you think of LN's vote on D_L_S, then?
Thanatos wrote:Gorgon, it should be obvious that scum, more than townies at least, would not want a vote, giving them a free night. It's true that they want votes on townies, but that's mostly a distraction to by time with as well as speed up something that is mostly carried out by the Mafia.
Well, if the scum don't vote, they leave the voting up to the townies, which makes it harder for them to cast suspicion where they want it to be - on townies. Also, even if all the scum would refrain from voting, that's still not enough to 'give them a free night'; the townies can still lynch someone on their own. However, this discussion doesn't have much relevance to this particular game ...
deepthought wrote:The point of my posts isn't to say, "how dare you question such a distinguished mafia player", it's to respond to "why are you so sure that there are 3 scum?" I'm so sure because in my experience 3 is standard, and I always start with that assumption on day 1.
It's true enough that 3 scum in a 12-player game is very common, but I'm still trying to figure out whether you genuinely assumed this deliberately, or you're covering a slipup. In a recent game where I was scum, I blatantly yet undeliberately assumed that there were 3 scum in my calculations, but no one picked up on that, even though I was quite nervous about it for pretty much the rest of the game after that. However, this does seem to indicate somewhat that it may not be all that unusual for people to assume 3 scum in a mini, since I got away with it without being called on it ...
That was the main reason why I voted you, btw. I didn't find your anti-lurker stance as troubling, since I thought you gave a pretty good explanation for it.
deepthought wrote:I quoted that part of your post because you and charter seem to be the only two with any notion of the big picture - you're not looking for players you disagree with, you're looking for players that are trying to trick you into thinking they're townies. If the charge is "you said you don't mind seeing townies modkilled or lynched for lurking", then...no. I don't. I don't even think a day 1 townie lynch is that bad, while we're at it.
I beg to differ. Like I said, I voted you not because I disagree with anything you've said (well, I do disagree with the modkilling of lurkers, but that's not why I voted you). I voted you because you said something I saw as a possible slipup that revealed that you know stuff that you'd only know as scum.
deepthought wrote:... I've shot down every stupid question and half-argument without getting panicky or (more) irritable ...
I agree that you haven't been panicky. However, what does that prove? To me, this argument just looks like you going: "Look, look, I'm not panicking! I can't be scum then, can I?" Flawed and useless reasoning, IMO.
@Infinitive - While I respect that your insistence of voting only when you're sure is your choice and all, I don't agree with that playstyle. I can see it as an all to easy scum-cover; to vote only when the heat has been turned way up on someone and thus hide behind already raised suspicions. However, I'm no veteran at this game who has playstyles down to an art, so I guess only time will tell how this works out for you and the rest of us.
P.S. I'm thinking along much the same lines as HeH (in post 150) now. Input from the players who have been less than active lately would be helpful at this point. Oh, and what part of HeH's post do you disagree with, Thanatos? Your post (151) is a little confusing.
