Mini Normal 1809: Game Over

[Dierfire]

VOTE COUNT 4.05

MathBlade (2): Wingback, Elyse
No Lynch (2): MathBlade, Killthestory

No Vote (2): Expedience, Egg

With 6 players living, a lynch requires 4/6 votes.

TIMER

(expired on 2016-08-24 22:00:00)

NOTES

Egg V/LA until 21 August

[Expedience]

Hi!

I haven't read anything yet.

[MathBlade]

Hi!

No lynch because it is Mylo please

[Wingback]

Hi Expedience, I suggest reading through the thread and posting your thoughts. I'm fairly confident the scumteam is Mathblade and Elyse so I obviously wouldn't want you to listen to Math on her no lynch proposal. I think we should be lynching Mathblade. Given the vote count right above should tell you that it's basically a choice between lynching Math and no-lynching, I suggest taking her advice with a grain of salt.

[MathBlade]

Hi Expedience, I suggest reading through the thread and posting your thoughts. I'm fairly confident the scumteam is Mathblade and Elyse so I obviously wouldn't want you to listen to Math on her no lynch proposal. I think we should be lynching Mathblade. Given the vote count right above should tell you that it's basically a choice between lynching Math and no-lynching, I suggest taking her advice with a grain of salt.

Their and I think it is you + Elyse but more sure on you.

However I don't want to be wrong and cost us the game. We lose nothing by no lynching here as the next two lynches have to hit scum. Let's do the right thing and no lynch.

[Expedience]

yeah I wondered that also but decided it wasn't worth a post.

Which is why I didn't clarify until asked.

My Hmmm was a self-reminder to look back on later.

Bit confused by this line of though. Does the omission of ya really signify anything?

Basically a scumclaim

Weak as fuck Page 1 scum reads:
Wake - Seems excited
Vedith - Basically copied Blank but changed the name then buddied Cmit
Cmit - Overly friendly and then called Hoopla's reaction "strange" without a vote or further thoughts
Hoopla - That reaction to BBMolla.
Rob - Over reaction to Elyse's vote on him.
^Yes, there are five. That's ok because I highly doubt I'm scumreading all five when I finish reading.

Now, progressing past Page 1, I like Rob's questioning Cmit for that comment about Hoopla. And I notice Cmit appears to be calling it scummy and still hasn't voted.

Hoopla's tone seems to be intentionally trying to get people to town read her. I see Rob noticed this as well. I guess Rob can be crossed off my original list for now. BBMolla is spot on about Rob. He's town and his Elyse vote sucks.

Cmit might just be misguided newbtown. The "everyone is confirmed scum" reads list might not be something newbscum would do.

Vedith's reaction to Hoopla's town bloc is town. I'm left with two weak scum reads (Wake and Hoopla) and no strong ones yet.

I'm only through the first two pages. Will finish this evening.

Seems a bit fake.

I feel like I'm coming from a perspective of trying to play devil's advocate to Wing "caught the scumteam" back.

House (-> Killthestory) is my strongest townread so far out of the people who are alive now.

[Killthestory]

thanks man

[Expedience]

Hmm. These BBMolla votes (Rob and Elyse) look like wrong town. Scum might jump on though so I'm watching for that as I read more. If they don't, maybe BBMolla actually is scum, but not for supposedly suggesting massclaim because that's not what he was doing. His frustrated reaction surprisingly is reading town to me though so...yeah.

This doesn't make any sense to me.

I don't share Hoopla's townread on Molla but I'll back off since it seems like no one else sees what I see.

Wait, why would you back off your scum read?
Surely you would want to convince us right now? Or are you happy to lynch outside of your scum reads?

Obviously I'm not happy to lynch outside my scumreads. These are terrible questions that make you look like you're scumhunting when you're not.

I'm not going to continue with my "BB lied and is scum" case because multiple people are saying he's stubborn town. It's a black and white thing that I can't really convince people on. Either you think he's lying scum or frustrated, stubborn town. Continuing that line of attack is useless. I'm going to pursue him in other ways if he continues to be scummy.

Scumread on Vedith

I don't like how quickly Elyse backed away from BBmolla. It's hard to explain but I think it was trying to emulate a town thought process rather than actually being one. Because it was so stilted.

[Expedience]

Masquarade, you said that what followed Grendel's RQS was boring. What do you think of those who refused to answer? I also noticed you didn't list any strengths. Do you really not know of any? Because you said you prefer playing scum and "sort of" change strengths and weknesses with alignment and it kind of feels like you had scum strengths in mind that you didn't want to share. How do you know your strengths and weaknesses change without knowing what your strengths are?

3. Null

3. Interesting. You're acting like you have a strong town read on him.

ew I really didn't get this impression and I'm considering bussing here. This read is super reachy after all the benefits of the doubt Egg has granted everyone else.

Egg have you bussed as scum in the past?

Wake88 doesn't seem possible

Elyse, I'm torn on 197. I agree with Vedith asking you why you would back off your Scumread, because I think if you suspect someone you should give voice at every opportunity. His latter two questions felt slightly underhanded. Initially I wanted to back Vedith against you over your Scumread of him in response to his 183. But, when reading his two latter questions they do feel Scummy to me.

Vedith, would you please provide feedback?

Do you think me continuing to push "BB was caught in a lie, he's caughtscum" is useful if no one feels the same way? It's literally just me repeating myself over and over again. I've laid out the evidence and BB even admitted he was wrong. I don't know what else to do. Follow me or don't.

That was just such an easy thing to jump on for scum and Vedith of course took that opportunity.

"I don't have to do anything because nobody will listen to me even though i caught scum on page 1 qqqqqq"

(I also don;t think it's reasonable to not change the read on BBmolla because he became even more town as time passed.)

:/

I'll just vig him

Disclaimer: I'm actually VT.

It wasn't bolder in the original post.

Scumread on BlankFace.

Look at his ISO.

He's not doing anything, still has his RVS vote on me, and has barely commented on the gamestate, only to poke and prod here and there. Terrible.

In fact

VOTE: BlankFace

I'm not sure where the scumread on BBmolla went but otherwise I kinda like this vote.

It wasn't bolder in the original post.

Scumread on BlankFace.

Look at his ISO.

He's not doing anything, still has his RVS vote on me, and has barely commented on the gamestate, only to poke and prod here and there. Terrible.

In fact

VOTE: BlankFace

The only interesting thing that has happened in this game is cmit's mass claim post. And that's already been talked to death. Everything else was weak.

Having three players bitch about each other for five or six pages isn't compelling. I had to no interest to read through that. It doesn't affect the game state and the emotions that came out of it are NAI. I have had more fun staring at a wall than I did going through that. I had enough of that in Mini 1674 and I'm not wasting my time on it again.


As for the RVS vote, let's look at who still has an RVS vote right now:
1. Me
2. Vedith
3. ChaosOmega
4. Grendel [In that they haven't voted all game, just opened with RQS]
5. Mask

Of those, Chaos has probably done the most. A bit of Pressure on Masquerade, his vote probably shouldn't count as RVS from the looks of it. He also added into the Vedith wagon without changing his vote. I also noticed that neither Mask or Vedith answered his questions. Even after Chaos asked Mask a second time for an answer.

Vedith has done just about as much as I have. Same post count, he's asked more questions than me but that's about it.

Each of Grendel's posts have dealt with the RQS. And there's nothing compelling about it. Breaking down Robb's, House's, Egg's, and Masqurade's RQS is fluff. Nothing there speaks to alignment.
@Grendel - What did you RQS questions get you?

Mask's posts are boring. Answering RQS, commenting on the Rob/House/Molla bitchfest. And that's about it.


I'm not counting Egg in the RVS vote count even thought they haven't voted, they came in at 185 and started hunting almost immediately.

So why did you focus on my vote, besides the fact that it is on you? Why did you focus on my activity when there are five/six other players with about the same amount of contribution as me?


If you want more content out of me, engage me. Because right now, I have no interest in rereading that sixish page bitchfest.

"Why me": the movie: the book

^ Stopping here, I will read this before the deadline for sure.

[Expedience]

VOTE: Wingback

He just scumslipped

He said that me being at L-1 and Egg not hammering means that Egg is town

But if he was actually town he would realize that Egg and I could be scumbuddies

It has to be Wingback

lololol

Elyse can't believe this!

Wingback is probably town and right (extreme effort = town? he's really enthusiastic about finding the right people not just "lynch this guy " x 999). I didn't read past page 30 (and contracted several forms of cancer) and I'm skimming backwards now.

I want to get to the part about Mathblade being readable though. I'm not sure that is a thing. Mathblade's posts feel strained and I think I'm getting something but it's not much and they have always came across as nonsensical to me in past games.

There is always KTS paranoia but nah.

[Elyse]

Omg

We finally have a replacement and he townreads Wingback for putting in effort

Oh sweetie

[Egg]

Expedience, Elyse and Rob looked wrong with their BBMolla suspicion, but not intentionally therefore town. Like they seemed to believe what they were saying but I didn't at all agree with it. Now, Molla being scum for other reasons was entirely possible, but Molla himself didn't look scummy either. So basically I was townreading Rob, Elyse, and BBMolla.

Yes, I've bussed as scum many times.

[MathBlade]

VOTE: Wingback

He just scumslipped

He said that me being at L-1 and Egg not hammering means that Egg is town

But if he was actually town he would realize that Egg and I could be scumbuddies

It has to be Wingback

lololol

Elyse can't believe this!

Wingback is probably town and right (extreme effort = town? he's really enthusiastic about finding the right people not just "lynch this guy " x 999). I didn't read past page 30 (and contracted several forms of cancer) and I'm skimming backwards now.

I want to get to the part about Mathblade being readable though. I'm not sure that is a thing. Mathblade's posts feel strained and I think I'm getting something but it's not much and they have always came across as nonsensical to me in past games.

There is always KTS paranoia but nah.

Extreme effort != town. Extreme effort is extreme effort.

Look at 1800. Was scum that game and longer posts than here. I tunneled the shit out of Karnos and we were going for towncred based on whoever flipped. If anything I have become more apathetic as town. And look here I am town.

[MathBlade]

Oh and Wingback was in that game. Killed them N1. If I am scum why is Wingback still alive? They know my scum meta and know this isn't it. That is why I want to no lynch here.

[Wingback]

I'm still alive obviously because I replaced in D3 and the N3 kill was on the vig who counterclaimed a scum who fake-claimed vig. When could you possibly have killed me?

Also, Elyse clearly thinks she can mislynch me.

[Egg]

Yeah the game I put the most effort in semi recently may have been my SK game.

Also,

Vote no lynch

I'm not sure enough on mathblade to vote there today.

[Egg]

Elyse/kill/math, if you are town, don't rule out Wing/Expedience. I haven't found a good reason they can't be scum together yet.

[Dierfire]

D4 FINAL VOTE COUNT

No Lynch (3): MathBlade, Killthestory, Egg

MathBlade (2): Wingback, Elyse

No Vote (1): Expedience

[Dierfire]

D4 has ended. No lynch occurred.

N4 begins now. Players wishing to submit actions must do so before the deadline.
Any outstanding prods must be answered by PM. If replacements are needed, the deadline will be extended.

TIMER

(expired on 2016-08-24 17:00:00)

[Dierfire]

N4 has ended.

Killthestory (Vanilla Town)

was found dead.

D5 begins now.

VOTE COUNT 5.00

No Vote (5): Elyse, MathBlade, Wingback, Expedience, Egg

With 5 players living, a lynch requires 3/5 votes.

TIMER

(expired on 2016-09-03 18:00:00)

[Wingback]

That no lynch was ridiculous but I'm glad KTS is dead given the way he was playing. I had a feeling this might happen just because of how unpredictable/loose-cannon he was.

Down to lynch Mathblade or Elyse, whichever works for you two (Expedience and Egg). Very, very confident in that being the team. As an aside, my predecessor (Seraphim) caught the entire scumteam by D3 and hard-defended Hoopla while voting Mathblade. This should be a point against me-Mathblade being a team.

I can keep digging up more and more evidence but given Egg didn't read either the long version or the short version of my case on Elyse, I'm not really sure what else you need right now.

My primary reason for townreading BBMolla (Expedience's slot) is mostly interactions with Mathblade and Mathblade's whiteknighting of him. Before that, I didn't have a solid read although I liked when he pegged the scumteam as Elyse/Blankface because I too had suspicions of those two slots (Post 1285) at that time and thought they fit in well as partners.

As far as Mathblade is concerned, I'm beyond amazed that they weren't lynched the previous day since most of their posting amounted to trolling and trying to conceal who their partner is.

They didn't even care to look town,

they were just creating chaos to obscure who the partner was.

For example, they came into D4 saying that Egg and I were the scumteam and out of nowhere voted Elyse, then kept arguing for a no lynch which was the most neutral position that one can take. I'm super-excited about the KTS kill and the thought that we could actually win this despite our strongest PR getting modkilled in the middle of day one. Very much looking forward to Expedience's thoughts (I hope you used the night phase to catch up on the thread) and if you have any queries about me, I'm happy to answer those as well. I've pretty much laid out all my thoughts so just waiting on you and Egg.

Happy to bet the game on Mathblade's scumflip. If they're a rolestopper, Elyse is screwed. If not which is more likely, I'm bringing my sword and armor for the grand battle with Elyse tomorrow.

VOTE: Mathblade

[Egg]

So today is basically about "are we absolutely certain mathblade is scum?"

Wing, you're saying you town read Expedience for not seeming like scum with mathblade. How surprised would you be if the team was Elyse/Expedience? Please forget about mathblade when answering.

[Wingback]

There's not a 100% evidence that excludes Elyse/Expedience from being partners but a few of the highlights:

1. Elyse pushing Hoopla for "de-confirming BBMolla" and the "Hoopla is trying to pocket BBMolla" arguments aren't ones I see as coming from a scumbuddy to another. I see it as much more likely that Elyse was working off of BBMolla-town assumption to make her Hoopla push.
2. BBMolla calling the team as Elyse/Blankface is another point where I found him to be quite town. It's not ironclad evidence given he could be putting in a partner with a town player.

But Mathblade does exist and I'm not developing reads in a vacuum. Mathblade's play all of yesterday reeks of trying to hide who their partner is. Town does not claim that you and me are partners and then suddenly out of nowhere vote Elyse in mylo. I think in the high-intensity argument between me and Elyse, it's being missed how obviously scum-motivated Mathblade's reads and actions are to the point where they basically gave up on even looking town and are just trying to post confusing interactions. I'll give you a few examples if you want.

[Wingback]

Okay, so look at Post 1480. All the while, Mathblade was claiming that the team was Egg/Wingback and suddenly without warning, they put a vote on Elyse for something that was clearly a joke. Then they disappear and don't post for the rest of the day. Given that both of you and me weren't voting at the time and KTS was, this gives free reign for a potential Wingback/Egg team to hammer so the complete lack of paranoia doesn't make any sense.

Look at all of Mathblade's posts before that:

I am pretty damn sure Wingback + Egg is the team

"Pretty damn sure" that we're the team but votes Elyse... just like that. Before that in Post 1437, it's the same Wingback/Egg theory. And before that in Post 1418, it's all three of Egg/Wing/KTS that need scrutiny.

My theory is that because Elyse was being wagoned, she asked Mathblade in the scum PT to vote her so as to create a paranoid reflex from the town and get unvotes, possibly lynching Mathblade. Elyse and Mathblade have been pretty set on Mathblade being the first lynch because an Elyse lynch basically loses them the game. Even if you don't buy Elyse-scum, we'll cross that bridge later. Mathblade's vote there makes zero sense as coming from town.

Mathblade's later posting is similarly bad, just making dumb arguments and creating chaos.

Lol was that like posted out of scum chat? If you think it's MathBlade+Elyse/Wingback. Generally people refer to themselves as "me".

This is a completely nonsensical tell in the same line as Elyse claiming I scumslipped by calling Egg town for not hammering her.

Their and I think it is you + Elyse but more sure on you.

This is just as ridiculous as the Hoopla/Elyse team Mathblade was proposing. They are tying whoever they want to Elyse but always having Elyse as a backpocket scumread. Classic scum behavior and Mathblade is certainly blatant enough as scum to do this.

[Egg]

Good points.

Elyse, thoughts on Wing/Expedience?

Math, thoughts on...well... basically any team?