Open 42 - Friends and Enemies - (Game Over) before 495
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Shanba So win
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Everyone who has not posted on this page has been prodded. Some have not posted in over 10 days, if people don't post by this weekend I'll begin seeking replacement.
Edit: The Fonz replaces Lemming1607 (who requested replacement) effective immediately.Do not lynch me.
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Of course I was teasing, but I'm basically going to skip what you have to say until it matters- your analysis will not sway my opinion.
Also, phate, you pretty much depleted any possible information we could have from these last few posts all for the sake of being safe when it really wasn't necessary (considering I'm town and Shanba immediately backed down).
Shanba: I just think analysis like the one you made should be mostly kept to yourself- it could lead to scum jumping on to it. Mostly I just wanted to rub blue jam in. :shrug:SEND THE VECTOIDS-
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Phate Mafia Scum
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I'm still here. I don't know how to deal with Shanba's post, but I guess I'll just have to eat it. It's interesting that he pairs me up with the guys I would have paired himself with (Lemming, CO)...
Let me try Shanba, Lemming, CO:
Page 5 Vote Count:
YogurtBandit[4](Simenon, Samruc,Lemming1607, Sir Tornado)
Lemming1607[2](Khelvaster,Shanba)
Jex[1](Per)
Crub[1](Jex)
Khelvaster[1](EmpTyger)
Page 8 Vote Count:
Crub[4](Jex,ChaosOmega, Simenon, Sammich)
Simenon[2](Crub,Lemming1607)
Sir Tornado[1](Shanba)
Lemming1607[1](Per)
Page 10 Vote Count:
Crub[2](Jex, Simenon)
Simenon[2](Crub,Lemming1607)
Sammich2](Samruc,Shanba)
Lemming1607[1](Per)
Samruc[1](ChaosOmega)
Shanba[1](Sammich)
// The pattern for the first three VC's seems to be a lack of pattern - but suddenly something happens. End of D1 looks really convincing.
End of d1:
Crub[6](Jex, Simenon,Shanba, Per,Lemming1607,ChaosOmega)
Sammich[2](Samruc, Crub)
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Page 14 Vote Count:
Sammich[2](Samruc,Shanba)
Phate[2](ChaosOmega, Simenon)
Shanba[1](Sammich)
Lemming1607[1](Jex)
Page 16:
Sammich[3](Shanba, Simenon,Lemming1607)
Phate[1](ChaosOmega)
Lemming1607[1](Sammich)
// Once again, there is a lack of cooperation among the red-colored names, until end of day occurs, where we got two reds on the lynch again.
End of d2:
Sammich[5](Shanba, Simenon,Lemming1607, Sammich, Phate)
Phate[1](ChaosOmega)
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Not sure if I'm convinced by those patterns, and the fact that Shanba himself wants to pair CO and Lemming as scum seems to be too much bussing for this to be true... On the other hand, "End of D1"-VC is very good. My suspicions for CO and Lemming remain, still not sure who to pair them with. I'll try to take a look at other possibilities tomorrow.-
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Samruc - lame. The fact that Shanba was third out of 6 on the Crubwagon doesn't really lend any support to the theory that he's scum. Nor does the fact that he was first on the Samwagon. If anything, your analysis has confirmed his towniness.
Shanba - I still want to hear what the new kid has to say, even if I don't think there's anything he can do to change my views.
Fonz - I realise there's a HUGE amount of material to go through, but I'm waiting for you to finish and post your thoughts.I will fuck up your name and gender. Deal with it.
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OK guys, here's the deal: I'm actually seeing a Phate/Co scumpair here. I think it's pretty damn likely CO is scum, more based on EmpTyger than on CO himself, though there's no little scumminess there- when I first joined, I read tons of games, and ET was in many of them- I can't recall him ever playing like that as town.
As for Phate, I don't buy the whole 'no need to bus' argument. Replacing in and immediately putting a really big bus on one scumbuddy to 'clear' whichever of you doesn't die first is a pretty common scumtactic, imho, and definitely one I've used in the past. The setup here makes that even more likely- in open games without investigative roles, all the scum have to do is convince the town that one couldn't possibly be paired with another and the game's in the bag.
He claimed to have been 'pushing CO's case since he replaced in' and yet, up until today, a quick PBP reveals that Phate's vote sat on CO for all of one post prior to today. Instead, he went after Simenon, and then Sammich. There seems to be a distinct lack of actual case-pushing from someone who begins by referring to someone as S-C-U-M without a doubt.
Whether Samruc or Per is the third scummer I'm not sure. Phate treats both pretty similarly imho.
Vote: ChaosOmega
Oh, and this is about the most blatant piece of buddying up ever seen on MS.Phate wrote:That was amazing, Shanba. Your analysis has won me over. I had already believed that CO and (lately) Lemming were a scumpair, but your reasoning has decided my tossup between Per and Samruc.-
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Vote: ChaosOmegafor the hammer.
Fonz - try reading my posts, where I constantly, constantly finger CO. The only reason I haven't been voting him continuously is because the others wouldn't yet support his lynch. Now they will, and now I finally get to hammer him. Also, I don't treat Samruc or Per similarly. Objectively, I'm much more biased in favour of Per, because he makes great big relatively helpful analyses, which I like. I did go after Simenon, because I thought he was scum. Now that he's claimed mason and there's no counterclaim, and I'm hopefully momentarily finished with making newbie mistakes, I know he's not. I also went after Sammich, because I thought he was scum. Simenon was acting very secretive, which pissed me off and I read as a scumtell, and Sammich was refusing to defend himself AT ALL, which pissed me off and I still would call a scumtell.
But through it all, in I think every single reference to ChaosOmega, I pushed the case that CO was scum. His responses have only confirmed my suspicion.
Why is my "That was amazing, Shanba" more "blatant" "buddying up" than Simenon's "Why are you so awesome, Shanba?"
I think you're scum. And I think it's too late to change my mind, considering the posts of your predecessor. But you can try!I will fuck up your name and gender. Deal with it.
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Phate wrote:Vote: ChaosOmegafor the hammer.
Fonz - try reading my posts, where I constantly, constantly finger CO. The only reason I haven't been voting him continuously is because the others wouldn't yet support his lynch. Now they will, and now I finally get to hammer him. Also, I don't treat Samruc or Per similarly.
You've pretty much proven my point. You basically went out of your way to make it look likeyoufound CO scummy, without really actively pushing his lynch. The others wouldn't support it? You didn't exactly go out of your way to press them into it, did you? If I'm town, convinced X is scum and no-one seems to be following me, I don't just go 'oh well,' and move on. I demand explanations for why people are unwilling to vote him.
I didn't suggest you treated Samruc and Per the sameas ChaosOmega, i suggested I was basically unable to ascertain which of those two was likely scum because you treated them similarlyto each other,which I defy you to deny.
The fact remains, regardless of what you might claim to have believed at the time, whilst you were claiming to believe CO to be the scummiest player, you were directing your actual efforts at pushing the lynches of Sammich and Simenon, two pro-town players.Objectively, I'm much more biased in favour of Per, because he makes great big relatively helpful analyses, which I like. I did go after Simenon, because I thought he was scum. Now that he's claimed mason and there's no counterclaim, and I'm hopefully momentarily finished with making newbie mistakes, I know he's not. I also went after Sammich, because I thought he was scum. Simenon was acting very secretive, which pissed me off and I read as a scumtell, and Sammich was refusing to defend himself AT ALL, which pissed me off and I still would call a scumtell.-
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