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[Killthestory]

I believe it was by your own words that Mathblade was confirmed scum from you hammering Hoopla.

[Wingback]

I meant "confirms" as in "I have a solid scumread on Mathblade based on that reaction." Rhetorically, it means that I have a strong scumread, not that she's in some way "confirmed" through night actions.

[Killthestory]

So then, if you have a strong scumread on both, but you are assured that someone is Mathblade's partner, why not Mathblade first?

[Wingback]

KTS, I don't understand how this isn't clear after multiple times explaining it:

1. I think Elyse and Mathblade are the scumteam. I have strong scumreads on them both.
2. I don't expect Mathblade to carry the game but I expect Elyse to possible be able to.
3. So, I prefer the lynch order Elyse -> Mathblade.

So, put your vote back on Elyse and let BBMolla (whenever he gets here) and we lynch Mathblade tomorrow.

[Wingback]

So then, if you have a strong scumread on both, but you are assured that someone is Mathblade's partner, why not Mathblade first?

I don't get what you mean by "assured that someone is Mathblade's partner."

Elyse and Mathblade are partners. Both scum. One who can potentially win and one who can't. So, we eliminate the threat first and take care of Mathblade tomorrow.

[Killthestory]

You said beforehand that one of Egg+Elyse was Mathblade's partner, meaning that your scumread on Mathblade has to be pretty strong to be assured he's scum.

And also, a single player can't carry a game if they're known as scum.

[Wingback]

It's not Egg. If he were, he would have hammered Elyse.

[Killthestory]

So Egg is town. I am town. BB is town.

That then leaves you, Elyse, and Mathblade. At this point, I'm not even going to try preflip associations. We're going to find scum, and we're going to lynch them. None of this "when he flips scum lynch that, that, and maybe that, oh, try that, too."

[Wingback]

You are annoying me with your refusal to read the thread. I'm only going over this for the hundredth time because we're in mylo but pay attention this time.

When I thought it was Egg or Elyse partnered with Mathblade, I needed to figure out who it was and lynch them. Not doing so and just lynching Mathblade would put us in 4P and then in 3P with Egg, Elyse and someone else. Whoever the scum is would then win the game because neither Egg nor Elyse looked like they were re-evaluating their reads on each other.

On the other hand, if we lynched the partner first, then Mathblade would be auto-lynched the next day hence we would win.

It's a question of whether we make that choice now or allow Egg to make it unilaterally in lylo. I didn't trust him to make that call hence I felt that we should make it now.

All of this is irrelevant now though because we know it's not Egg and Mathblade. Egg can only be partnered with Elyse. If Egg is scum, Elyse HAS to be scum. So, Elyse is the only logical choice here. (Ftr, I don't think it's Egg/Elyse, I think it's Mathblade/Elyse).

[Wingback]

So Egg is town. I am town. BB is town.

That then leaves you, Elyse, and Mathblade. At this point, I'm not even going to try preflip associations. We're going to find scum, and we're going to lynch them. None of this "when he flips scum lynch that, that, and maybe that, oh, try that, too."

Great. Well Elyse is scum like you said. Let's lynch her.

[Elyse]

Wingback explaining the same thing over and over again doesn't make it true.

It makes much more sense for you to be scum with MathBlade than it does to be treating him as confscum yet not wanting to lynch him.

[Killthestory]

You seem to be wanting to rush MyLo here, don't you?

[Killthestory]

@Elyse, if Math is so obvscum, why aren't you voting Math?

I'm withholding my vote so I can hammer any wagon that gets to L-1 that's not mine

confirmed herself as scum

VOTE: Elyse

Agreed. Will figure out which of Wingback/Egg tomorrow is scum.

VOTE: Elyse

lol, a half assed buss on Elyse would be a terrible play in MyLo.

[Wingback]

lol, a half assed buss on Elyse would be a terrible play in MyLo.

She just wanted to look scummier and make Elyse look townier. It makes no sense for her to vote a town Elyse when she could have simply waited for there to be three votes and then hammered. BBMolla was likely to vote Elyse which would have made three.

[Killthestory]

That doesn't make any sense.

[Wingback]

But maybe you can answer the question: why would a scum-Mathblade place the second vote on town-Elyse when she could have simply waited to see which way the wind blew and hammered Elyse for the win?

That's scum distancing from other scum.

[Killthestory]

You don't hammer your scumbuddies or vote them in this situation whatsoever.

[Wingback]

I'm asking "IF Elyse was town, why would Mathblade vote her and risk turning the tide because of a scummy vote instead of withholding her vote until a town-Elyse was at L-1 and then hammering?"

[Elyse]

How do you know BB will vote me?

What if he's thinking like a normal person and realizes that it's dumb to lynch me today?

Your conclusions are based on assumptions rather than facts

[Wingback]

Well, we'll just have to see when BB shows up.

[Wingback]

Hey Killthestory, mind explaining exactly why you aren't voting Elyse?

[Killthestory]

No.

[Egg]

I've only skimmed since my last post (will read later), but that wasn't a slip from Wing. Calling it that is hyperbole just like calling mathblade confirmed scum was hyperbole. It's weird for Wing to 180 on me just because I didn't vote Elyse, but it's definitely not a slip.

[Wingback]

I'm frustrated with this game because none of the town players even seem interested in it.

First, when I replaced in, Egg and Grendel had a massive... ~banana~ for a Hoopla lynch. Whenever I pointed out why she was town, that was mostly ignored as you guys tunneled deeper than the longest tunnel in the world in Switzerland



(along with Elyse and Mathblade - the two scum), you made it so that nobody else could get lynched when I spent hours of my time trying to figure out who else it could be probing Egg, Elyse, and Mathblade.


Who could it be?

Finally, today I reach the conclusion that it was Elyse/Mathblade and that Egg was town. BBMolla's response is to make a grand total of two posts over the course of three days. One where he calls Elyse scum (and doesn't vote), one where he posts a wagon analysis claiming that he and KTS aren't scum together. Who cares? We all knew that anyways.

Egg's response is to basically conf-bias himself on his Elyse read and claim that her arguments were "better." I assume this is to exonerate him in endgame so that when I get annoyed at him for voting me, he can just say "oh, you were right but didn't CONVINCE me, convincing people is a part of mafia" which is a lecture I assume some people are going to give me if Elyse and Mathblade win because they can't be bothered to get correct reads.

KTS, There's no way to discuss anything with him because he dseon't tlak at a lveel taht msot popele can undrestnad and tihkns his plyastlye is a good one.

So, basically my job is to single-handedly solve the game, then spoonfeed the solution to each of you guys.



So I can be blamed for not being convincing enough. I don't know how to do that better than what I'm already reading. I'm trying to explain as well as I can why Elyse is scum, not doing a KTS or a BBMolla one-liner. You have my thoughts and thought progressions laid out in thread as clearly as you can see. If you won't read walls, I can do succint. If you want it in-depth, I can do it in-depth.

But for the love of mafia as a concept, put some effort into this. I bent over backwards to solve this game. I'm confident that I found the team. Win this game with me: Egg, BBMolla, KTS.

[Killthestory]

^ wolfy