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For the record (since I don't think I've actually said anything about this) SS' whole one more night thing is absolute shit.
Like, it's fucking terrible, because it means very little.
Here's what's happens if you're town.
1) you recruit someone. We lynch you. You flip town. We know they're town.
2) you fail to recruit someone. Your lynch does the exact same thing it does today.
3) scum KNOW you have to recruit someone tonight, so they just fucking redirect you (because remembwr, in the world where you're town, THERE IS A SCUM REDIRECTOR AROUND), and you end up in 2. Basically, always.
If you're scum, this is what happens:
1) you lie. You tell us you attempted to recruit someone and failed, spew some wifom, get flipped, and it all means nothing. Maybe you did recruit someome, maybe you didn't but it sure as fuck isn't going to help out town.
BUT.
As terrible as it is. It isn't scummy. It's stupid flaily and poorly thought out, because it doesn't take into account the requirement that a redirector exists, but not scummy. Survivalistic, yes. Not scummy.
So yeah, nobody should really consider that an actual reason to keep him alive another day.
However, Toogeloo, it's still fucking stupid of you to knee-jerk vote him for making an obvious statement, he shouldn't have to explain to you how KNOWING someone has a town win con is helpful to town...the fact that there's basically no chance of that actually happening is irrelevant, his point still holds true.
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I'm sorry, I want an explanation how changing your wincon is something anyone would want. It wasn't going to take much for me to vote SS in the first place, especially since they were my original vote of the day, but if they wanted to dodge the question and be snarky as well, then they don't deserve any further response from me as well.
Maybe I'm old school, but a change in wincon signifies to me that a person just culted, and it's certainly convenient that the only person who might corroborate this role claim died on day 1. All the same, I don't trust, nor do I want a change in my faction, nor would I understand why anyone would for that matter.-
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So you just want him lynched and call it a day? If he flips town what will you want then?In post 5527, rb wrote:If we let SS live today then Day 3 is literally just a rerun of today. Thaf thought is unbearable.
Toog that whole changing wincon=culted is p dumb. I mean MAAAAAYYYBEEE he's the CR and recruited Dram pregame and wants one more night so his cult will live on but we know other factions have recruits so...I'm not sure where your mind is.-
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This post has, for convenience, had a votecount edited in one day later. The following is the contents of this post originally.
Terribly sorry that I haven't been around all day. My family divided our celebration of my birthday into two parts: the more party type yesterday, and on my actual birthday today, a 9.4-mile hike (which took all day) up a mountain, and a supper at Denny's to boot. And, I do have work tomorrow, so I don't think I can even get a VC up tonight. (I may edit one into this post later, as much as I hate relying on that, dependent on page count.) But what I CAN do is this.
<<< Effective upon his posting, Bacde replaces Klingoncelt. >>>Last edited by mastin2 on Sun Jul 24, 2016 12:25 pm, edited 1 time in total.My academy.
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It is not really about what the target, who we don't even know who that would be, is.In post 5528, Toogeloo wrote:I'm sorry, I want an explanation how changing your wincon is something anyone would want. It wasn't going to take much for me to vote SS in the first place, especially since they were my original vote of the day, but if they wanted to dodge the question and be snarky as well, then they don't deserve any further response from me as well.
Maybe I'm old school, but a change in wincon signifies to me that a person just culted, and it's certainly convenient that the only person who might corroborate this role claim died on day 1. All the same, I don't trust, nor do I want a change in my faction, nor would I understand why anyone would for that matter.
But by all means I welcome your vote even if it's for awful reasons."I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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Welcome to the world of figuring stuff out.In post 5531, Cephrir wrote:@Stormblade: I can confirm that my win condition is word for word identical to dram's but for some stupid reason I can't get confirmation that he counts towards my win condition's "survive" aspect which frankly pisses me off a lot.
Tho i'd think yes anyway.
Which means that you'd also be part of the surviving aspect for us.~Gotta stay happy, Everyone's your friend~-
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I've been there.In post 5534, Cephrir wrote:i guess ill assume that but i'm kinda thinking about replacing out on the grounds that this isn't mafia if i don't know what my fucking objective is.~Gotta stay happy, Everyone's your friend~-
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In post 5534, Cephrir wrote:i guess ill assume that but i'm kinda thinking about replacing out on the grounds that this isn't mafia if i don't know what my fucking objective is.
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1) Survivalism is scummy. It is a matter of whether or not it comes from scum. Town players sometimes do scummy things.In post 5526, RAM wrote:For the record (since I don't think I've actually said anything about this) SS' whole one more night thing is absolute shit.
Like, it's fucking terrible, because it means very little.
Here's what's happens if you're town.
1) you recruit someone. We lynch you. You flip town. We know they're town.
2) you fail to recruit someone. Your lynch does the exact same thing it does today.
3) scum KNOW you have to recruit someone tonight, so they just fucking redirect you (because remembwr, in the world where you're town, THERE IS A SCUM REDIRECTOR AROUND), and you end up in 2. Basically, always.
If you're scum, this is what happens:
1) you lie. You tell us you attempted to recruit someone and failed, spew some wifom, get flipped, and it all means nothing. Maybe you did recruit someome, maybe you didn't but it sure as fuck isn't going to help out town.
BUT.
As terrible as it is. It isn't scummy. It's stupid flaily and poorly thought out, because it doesn't take into account the requirement that a redirector exists, but not scummy. Survivalistic, yes. Not scummy.
So yeah, nobody should really consider that an actual reason to keep him alive another day.
However, Toogeloo, it's still fucking stupid of you to knee-jerk vote him for making an obvious statement, he shouldn't have to explain to you how KNOWING someone has a town win con is helpful to town...the fact that there's basically no chance of that actually happening is irrelevant, his point still holds true.
-Cerb
2) Why are you not considering the possibility of Luna scum? I don't think this is a likely case but logically it is a possibility. Pretty much Luna's actions don't make sense to me as either broad town or broad scum.
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<<< I have expressed multiple times that I will attempt to clarify things if asked. If the clarification doesn't help, ask again and I will try to clarify even further. But I feel like I need to make an announcement on this subject all the same:
As a starting point...fuck special mechanics and treat this game like any normal mafia game. What conclusions, off of your and flipped, roles would you then make? Add in the mechanics post onlyhaving done this. Not before. It will help like 90% of the questions I get asked. This is still a MAFIA game. It, therefore, follows basic mafia principles present in any mafia game. (I am not reinventing the wheel, here.) The remainder are, of course, why I continue to clarify as much as I can. >>>afterMy academy.
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In post 5539, Luna Fox wrote:Hey Mathblade, i got confirmation that i'd get "Individual Vampires Faction" result on Kuroi.
So Isolationist doesnt mean Individual.In post 5531, Cephrir wrote:@Stormblade: I can confirm that my win condition is word for word identical to dram's but for some stupid reason I can't get confirmation that he counts towards my win condition's "survive" aspect which frankly pisses me off a lot.
/me facepalms
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Luna Fox Jack of All Trades
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you're making it as if im inventing a result on you.
It's not a fake guilty but a framed one if a redirector's involved.
A fake guilty is if i actually have no actual guilty and im making it up.~Gotta stay happy, Everyone's your friend~-
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Could you please confirm that the four flips we've had so far aren't Scum?In post 5545, mastin2 wrote:<<< I have expressed multiple times that I will attempt to clarify things if asked. If the clarification doesn't help, ask again and I will try to clarify even further. But I feel like I need to make an announcement on this subject all the same:
As a starting point...fuck special mechanics and treat this game like any normal mafia game. What conclusions, off of your and flipped, roles would you then make? Add in the mechanics post onlyhaving done this. Not before. It will help like 90% of the questions I get asked. This is still a MAFIA game. It, therefore, follows basic mafia principles present in any mafia game. (I am not reinventing the wheel, here.) The remainder are, of course, why I continue to clarify as much as I can. >>>after-
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