California Trilogy - Dantès in Fresno (Game Over!)

[Gaspar]

You don't *have* to, Saetel. Zindaras just wants you to (probably to distract from his own scumminess <.<). Anyway, you missed the point -- he wants you to break down that "[everyone else]" block into more detail.

[Mr. Grey]

Deadline:

Approximately 1 hour from this post.

Vote Count:

7 to lynch.

logicticus: 3 (IH, Sarcastro, Talitha)
IH: 2 (Setael/Cogito Ergo Sum, Tamuz)
MrBuddyLee: 2 (Dragon Phoenix, Gaspar)
Setael/Cogito Ergo Sum: 1 (logicticus)
Gaspar: 1 (PookyTheMagicalBear)
PookyTheMagicalBear: 1 (foolinc)
Sarcastro: 1 (MrBuddyLee)
No Lynch: 1 (Zindaras)

Current Condorcet Winner:

None. Current Smith Set: Setael/Cogito Ergo Sum, Dragon Phoenix, Gaspar, IH, logicticus, MrBuddyLee, PookyTheMagicalBear, Sarcastro, Talitha, Tamuz, Zindaras

To view the complete table of pairwise results, put this information in this form.

[Gaspar]

Uh, Grey, I've got MrBuddyLee as the Condorcet winner when I put in the information from that file.

[Mr. Grey]

Read more carefully. There is no true Condorcet winner; this game does not use the tiebreaker that site uses. MrBuddyLee currently has two pairwise ties.

[Gaspar]

Right, my fault.

Yeah, somebody needs to decide on MBL or Logic fast, or we're not going to lynch today.

[Zindaras]

Wait, wait, we have another hour? That helps.

[Setael]

No lynch would be no good.

Unvote

.

vote: logicticus

, IH, DP, Tamuz, Pooky, [everyone else], no lynch, setael

I really don't think Adele was/Buddy is scum, so my other option is logic.

[Gaspar]

No, we have like 15-20 minutes from now.


Seriously, Zindie. Just pick somebody, even if you're actually not entirely sure.

[Gaspar]

Oh, well that settles that, I think.

[Setael]

Forgot it has to be the last thing in the post.

vote: logicticus

, IH, DP, Tamuz, Pooky, [everyone else], no lynch, setael

[logicticus]

well, terrible choice.

i didnt want to claim, but i am a mason and should i survive the day my mason buddy can vouch for me tomorrow

i hope somebody out there is reading this and can change their vote


btw- if i do die please review and notice there was no case against me. this is one lazy town

[logicticus]

well, thanks to this last second shit, i dont have a chance of survival.

i would say go town, but with the laziness and terrible play that has been demonstrated thus far, it wont take much for the scum to take the victory

[Zindaras]

That makes it easier. Logic, what's your name?

Vote: MrBuddyLee

, [Talitha, IH], [Sarcastro, Gaspar, Tamuz, Dragon Phoenix], PookyTheMagicalBear, Setael, No Lynch, foolinc, Zindaras, logicticus

[Dragon Phoenix]

Don;t know if this still has any effect:

Vote MrBuddyLee

, [Sarcastro, Seteal/Cogito Ergo Sum], Pooky, [Gaspar, Tamuz, Zindaras], [IH, Talitha], Foolinc, Logisticus, DP, no lynch

[Zindaras]

I'm not sure if I'm doing this right.

Vote: Sarcastro

, MrBuddyLee, [Talitha, IH], [Gaspar, Tamuz, Dragon Phoenix], PookyTheMagicalBear, Setael, No Lynch, foolinc, Zindaras, logicticus[/quote]

[Zindaras]

Allow me to explain: I filled in the Condorcet stuff, and then I got a tie between Sarc and MBL. Tie=No lynch, so I tried to break it in favour of someone. By putting Sarc higher, I could achieve this.

[Gaspar]

So

Sarc

dies instead of MBL now?

[Zindaras]

No. Sarc dies instead of a No Lynch.

[Zindaras]

EBWOP: I think. I don't know. I don't get this Condorcet stuff.

[Mr. Grey]

Final Vote Count:

logicticus: 4 (Setael/Cogito Ergo Sum, IH, Sarcastro, Talitha)
MrBuddyLee: 2 (Dragon Phoenix, Gaspar)
Sarcastro: 2 (MrBuddyLee, Zindaras)
Setael/Cogito Ergo Sum: 1 (logicticus)
Gaspar: 1 (PookyTheMagicalBear)
IH: 1 (Tamuz)
PookyTheMagicalBear: 1 (foolinc)

Condorcet Winner:

None.

To view the complete table of pairwise results, put this information in this form.

[Mr. Grey]

Witching Hour

"Thrice the brinded cat hath mew'd."

"Thrice and once, the hedge-pig whin'd."

"Harpier cries:—'tis time! 'tis time!"

"Round about the caldron go;
In the poison'd entrails throw.—
Toad, that under cold stone,
Days and nights has thirty-one;
Swelter'd venom sleeping got,
Boil thou first i' the charmed pot!"

"Double, double toil and trouble;
Fire burn, and caldron bubble..."

---

The guests are in the courtyard arguing, the sun setting behind them. Trying to come to a decision before night falls, they are distracted by a sound in the house. One of the guests runs over to the door of the courtyard. A hand is placed on the door knob, but the guest stops, remembering that the door is likely to be locked. Halfheartedly turning the knob just in case, the guest is surprised to find the door open.

The guests file into the large, empty hall, looking around to see what the sound might have been. The house is quiet, however. One guest calls out, but there is no answer. Ready to give up, the guests turn back to the courtyard, but just as the last of them is stepping through the door, the sound echoes through the house again. With the door open, this time the source of the sound is obvious - it is the doorbell.

Seeing that Mr. Grey and his pet android are nowhere to be found, the guests decide to answer the door themselves. Unfazed by their ridiculous appearance, they pull open the door and are surprised to find that the visitors are small children, and more surprised to note that the children are wearing what appear to be very convincing costumes. One is holding a pumpkin.

"Trick-or-treaters? But it's not Halloween. It's May!"

One of the guests addresses the children directly.

"I'm sorry, children, but we don't have any candy. This isn't even our house. And it's not even Halloween. I know, I know, we're wearing ridiculous masks too, but... well, it's too difficult to explain. Terribly sorry. Now run along to your parents."

The door slams in the face of the children. The look at one another, and shrug. One makes a sound, which can not be written down in the words of man but if one were to try it would look something like this:

"URRKRREEEEEEEEEEEEEESHRKRSHEEEEEEEEEE!!!!"

The guests are already back in the courtyard, and do not hear the sound this time, but Blanca - who is dusting while jamming to some music on her iPod - happens to be near the front door. The android removes her earbuds and opens the door.

One of the "children" is pointing the business end of the pumpkin at her. There is a flash, and Blanca is no more.

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No one has been lynched. It is Night 2. Deadline for choices is 22:00 GMT Friday.

[Mr. Grey]

the silent speaker replaces MrBuddyLee.

[Mr. Grey]

Very Secret

Dear Diary,

It's me again. Mr. Grey.

I have a problem, diary. Well, two problems. The obvious one is that I am talking to my diary as if it is a sentient being. But the other problem is that I am out of ideas. Here I am in this giant house with these carefully selected and invited guests, having a grand time what with all the intrigue and mysteriousness - and, yes, the blood and guts and horrific murders - but I am feeling terribly uncreative today.

Saffron is completely useless, of course. Androids don't do creative. I've introduced her to the guests this morning, as usual, but it just doesn't have that oomph that it normally does. Maybe the "new android every day" gimmick is wearing thin.

It's the body, though. I just can't think of any clever way to introduce the body. We got lucky last time, what with the victim being a youtube fetishist, but this poor girl doesn't have anything like that to offer.

I just went over to look at her, now, to see if something would come to me in a flash of inspiration. She just lay there with her eyes wide open. She's mocking me, I'm sure of it. I probably deserve it, letting her die like that, though.

Something isn't right. I can feel it. It's as if whoever is pulling the strings here - besides me, I mean - has something else on his mind. If I concentrate hard enough, I almost feel as though I can hear his thoughts. "Word count..." he says. Over and over, as if it is a mantra.

In fact, I can't help but feel as if even my actions here, writing my very secret thoughts in my very secret diary are a part of his grand scheme of "Word count", whatever that is.

Oh well. I guess I should go and tell the guests about the latest victim. Maybe today they'll do something about it. Thanks for listening.

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logicticus (Valentine de Villefort, Innocent) has been murdered. It is Day 5. It will take 6 votes to lynch before the deadline, which is two weeks from this post.

[Setael]

I was able to finish reading the thread during the night and here are my thoughts on the last chunk.

Not necessarily foolinc, as it seems we have 2 scum groups. The scum would probably know from the size of their group that there's likely another family out there. I think Lee's point about IH is the best evidence that we have so far.

And yeah - it looks like Thesp's group must have killed Skruffs. Interesting.

I find it odd that talitha is assuming there are 2 groups because there were 2 deaths. What about a town vig? Feels like maybe she knows there are 2 groups.

I think that it's odder that I'm not dead. I don't care how bad I played day 2, you'd think that someone would have nightkilled me. Hopefully, the the Night write up will help clear things up. Oh and so I don't forgot: faked.

When I first read this I though he was saying his doc claim was faked. It isn't so odd that he wasn't NKd since scum could use that as a WIFOM way to get us to waste a lynch. However, I do think that this post of his feels off, as though it's exactly what mafia would have pre-planned to say the next day after not getting NK'd. Starting to look like a fake claim even if that's

not

what he meant by faked.

1020 IH claims (WHY?) and says he has no role name, just innocent fresnoite

Also, I know this is Wifom, but wouldn't you think scum would take a more confirmable claim from the book? Thesp could have even taken a more confirmable claim by playing off of the fears that the count was not protown (If he's even in this game)

Thesp's role doesn't have a Wikipedia entry...

Though he doesn’t point it out, what IH is saying could be applied to himself as well – seems like he wants the town to think “if IH was scum, he would take a more confirmable claim from the book and he certainly wouldn’t say he has NO role name” without him actually having to say it.

Zindy explains he sees no reason for 2 groups, talitha explains she was thinking there’d be 2 groups because one is named “Parisian mafia” then Ih says to talitha “So.... you know you're abilities and members and maintain there should be another?” Sounds like something scum would say to a townie who is being attacked for a mistake.

IH's claim is inappropriate and bizarrely timed. Overly proactively defensive, reads like a play from a scum overnight playbook.

QFT

The more people accuse Talitha of having insider knowledge when she speculated about 2 mafia groups, the more I think that if she was mafia she wouldn’t have said anything about it at all.

1047 Talitha anti IH… what changed?

1064 MBL’s analysis of Thesp’s play. Says “Glued to IH all day, gives very few ongoing specifics. Sticking doggedly to a scumpartner or riding the easy lynch? I'd lean towards the latter.”
How was IH the easy lynch? I see no reason to make the conclusion MBL did here unless he has a reason to defend IH

1137 MBL points out possible connection between DP and IH

1138 IH looks like he’s trying to distance from DP

when foolinc protected LML there was only one NK… is LML telling the truth when he self hammers in 1278? (i.e. Is poky scum?) I need to go back and look at the night results and which LML claimed to be responsible for.

1311 foolinc doesn’t die yet again – Vitr is NK’d. makes no sense. I’m doubting foolinc’s claim. He claimed to protect gaspar, so if foolinc is scum gaspar likely isn’t.

1335 MBL says Marcus Wesson didn’t work alone – family members did many of the kills. If there are 2 families, MBL is likely not in LML’s but could be in Thesp’s.

*The secret passageway to servant’s quarters… I marked this to keep an eye out to see if anything else would be said about it. Nothing yet. Any ideas on what that was supposed to mean? I got the impression LML had kidnapped someone and was hiding them but now that nothing's come of it I don't know.

1337 foolinc discounts MBL’s 2 family idea and says LML was an SK working alone

foolinc then gives his take on the reasons LML self hammered

There are three possibilites:
1. To limit the damage
2. Just to screw with the rest of the players (aka because he was pissed off)
3. He really believed that it was a scum led wagon and sac himself for the town.

These don't all make sense with an SK imo. Why would an SK care about limiting damage? #2 is a possibility just because he was frustrated and fed up. 3 I doubt - I don't see LML as a pro-Town SK. If anything I think the info he gave at the end was designed to throw us off. (Anyone know general stats about how often SK's try to help the town? I've never seen it happen.)

On the other hand, I can see a lot of motivation for him to say he was SK if he was part of a family
1) To prevent us from looking back for links between him and his mafia team
2) To cast suspicion on players not on his team
3) To not give any further info or tells to anyone not on his team
4) To give him a chance to lie about which deaths his team is responsible for in order to throw off anyone looking back for connections

IMO foolinc is off for assuming what he did and giving 3 reasons for it that make no sense.

1339 gaspar points out possible link between DP and MBL

I am with Pooky on not liking CES' "You guys got lucky" comment. It seperates us from him, us being the majority of the players. Even if I was 100% certain that LML was town and was completely against lynching him and defended him the whole way to no avail and he came up town, I would say "We got lucky." not "You guys got lucky." So I dont buy that defense.

vote CES

CES’ explanation that he was referring to those who advocated a LML lynch (a group he did not consider himself a part of) makes perfect sense. I don’t agree with logic’s reasoning here. The thing I find most interesting is that the next 3 posts are made by 3 of the players who seem most scummy at this point and they all say the same thing, discounting logic’s reason for voting CES. I can’t see 3 scums repeating each other like that.

2) The only person who really clearly expressed "I'm voting LmL because his response to this whole issue is what's scummy" is DP. Plus points for him, in retrospect.

I disagree. Scum would see LML as a mislynch and would be expecting him to come up Town. DP’s statement would likely be made by scum who is trying to cover their bases for when LML comes up Town.

1367 gaspar, foolinc and sarcasto arguing with talitha about LML lying about killing xyzzy. It seems to be forgotten that he faked having used “lace” as a verb on that dating site which means he was motivated to prove he uses it regularly which REALLY makes it look like it was the way he killed xyzzy and he was trying to prove it wasn’t.

1376 again we see what looks like IHscum trying to buddy up to gaspartown where IH compliments gaspar and carefully never opposes him at all.

1379 scummy. Trying too hard to appear active and pro-Town without actually doing anything

1380 talitha points out that foolinc said in post 51 that “Baron Danglars, Count de Morcerf aka Fernand Mondego, Monsieur De Villefort, and Gaspard Caderousse since they are the four that send Edmond Dantès to Château d'If.”
I don’t think foolinc would make this comment if he was part of that mafia team, or at least not if his team was made up of those exact characters.

If LML really was SK it seems like he’d have just said “cubs’ duels could only kill actual mafia, not the SK.” If he’s mafia, it makes more sense that instead of saying this, he said he had a one shot immunity to a kill

1462 MBL says he wants to solve the IH problem – what is he referring to?

Saetel's bringing up the D1 Condorcet debate is interesting -- no, I don't believe I have gone back and looked over it. I was thinking at the time that scum would try to flock onto this debate, because it gives the appearance of contribution without actually hunting for scums.
Mgm is dead town
VitR is dead town
Jeep/BM is dead town
ZZ is dead town
CES and DP are the only ones (other than me) left on the list. DP is fairly high on my list still, whereas CES (now Saetel) is middle-of-the-road.
Obviously I'm still alive... but I know I'm protown.

That's something I'll have to think about in the coming days.

*I'm town and gaspar seems pro-town, which leaves DP as likely scum

I’d like to re-bring up something asked of IH that he never provided – a link to his best game as mafia.

Tamuz’ 1515 looks like distancing – after I state that I think he is scum with IH, he safely votes for IH (meaning it’s close to deadline and VERY unlikely IH will get enough support to be lynched) without trying to convince anyone else or present a solid case

So with logic as the NK, it looks like the mafia bought his mason claim which seems to have been a lie. It also looks like our claimed doc didn't protect our most obvious power role (logic, whose claim none of us had any reason to not believe). Unless I've forgotten about a bigger claim that foolinc would be motivated to proect, and based on the fact that he keeps not getting NK'd, I no longer believe foolinc's claim. I'll wait to vote to see what he has to say.

@foolinc: Who did you protect and why?

[foolinc]

I'm not going to lie. I screwed up this night. My real life has hit a busy patch because my professors seem to want have their exam and papers due on the same day. I protected the person lowest on the voting lists, Zindaras. Why didn't I protect logicticus? Because I'm an idiot who didn't think things through.

Though I'm suspious why you think logicticus is a lier? And if I am not who I say I'm please explain why there was only one night kill when LML was alive?

Oh and so I don't forget: faked.