Mini 1811 [Game Over]

[Sonrio]

i was reading earlier and forgot to post but i townread pacman and tam still posted nothing that screams town to me so.....im going to vote her, but id like her to claim.

Hey guys guess who was RIGHT!!!!!! VOTE: Tam

[Sonrio]

and i immediately UNVOTE: Tam because accountants latest posts are giving me very bad signals

[iraonavp]

I agree, it's as if he doesn't really think that is why Bacde was killed and he's just taking advantage of the fact that JaeReed thinks it is to accuse Tam further.

VOTE: Accountant

Do you want to start a wagon?

[Accountant]

Both of you stop your nonsense only valid votes are JJD or Tam unless someone scum claims tyvm

[MURDERCAT]

How are both of us alive JR.

[MURDERCAT]

My own reads, no one else's btw:

{Murder}
{Accountant}
{Xkfyu, Impo, iraon}
{Tam, JJD}
{Sonrio}

VOTE: JJD

I'm listening to confirmed town. He was killed for pushing on either JJD or Tam so I'm not lynching outside of those two. The one I find more likely is JJD.

I will sheep you for a change. Could do Tam too, but I like JJD more.

VOTE: JJD

[JarJarDrinks]

I'm alive. Oops. That's not what I wanted.

Maybe scum is leaving u alive cause ur reads are shit.

[Xkfyu]

If Sonia was shot by a vig, there is only ONE legitimate reason that I can think of that Sonia was shot over Tam.

Whoever shot Sonia needs to claim immediately, and give your reasons. Otherwise, I'm going to assume it was a SK shot.

[JarJarDrinks]

Could do Tam too

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Tam lynch is straight garbage

[Accountant]

it's possible he changed his mind after seeing the night flips

[Accountant]

If Sonia was shot by a vig, there is only ONE legitimate reason that I can think of that Sonia was shot over Tam.

Whoever shot Sonia needs to claim immediately, and give your reasons. Otherwise, I'm going to assume it was a SK shot.

Highly unlikely that it's SK

1) setup claims there are 9 town and 3 mafia roles, exactly. As there were 12 players at the start, this leaves no room for an SK.

2) 3 mafia + 1 sk + 8 town is horribly unbalanced

3) sonia is not a good shot for an SK. she wasn't townread, nor did she have strong or convincing reads. There's honestly no reason to shoot sonia over an obvious target like jaereed or MCAT.

[Xkfyu]

If Sonia was shot by a vig, there is only ONE legitimate reason that I can think of that Sonia was shot over Tam.

Whoever shot Sonia needs to claim immediately, and give your reasons. Otherwise, I'm going to assume it was a SK shot.

Highly unlikely that it's SK

1) setup claims there are 9 town and 3 mafia roles, exactly. As there were 12 players at the start, this leaves no room for an SK.

2) 3 mafia + 1 sk + 8 town is horribly unbalanced

3) sonia is not a good shot for an SK. she wasn't townread, nor did she have strong or convincing reads. There's honestly no reason to shoot sonia over an obvious target like jaereed or MCAT.

Yep, your right about #1 and #2. Good call. I completely forgot that this was a normal game.

I could argue against #3, but it would be pointless because it has to be a vig.

And given that, I think it's even more prudent for the vig to claim, since (now that I realize that this is a normal game) I'm guessing that it is no more than a 2-shot vig, and another confirmed town would be a pretty big help right now.

I can still only think of one reasonable reason as to why Tam wasn't shot, but I'll wait for the claim.

[JarJarDrinks]

Just cause I'm feeling lazy and don't feel like arguing against the IC and his self-appointed conftown:

claim gunsmith

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Targeted impoetic and she has no gun.

[Xkfyu]

Just cause I'm feeling lazy and don't feel like arguing against the IC and his self-appointed conftown:

claim gunsmith

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Targeted impoetic and she has no gun.

A gunsmith would show any of the mafia members as having a gun, right?

[JarJarDrinks]

Except a Scum Doctor

[Xkfyu]

Except a Scum Doctor

Gotcha.

[Xkfyu]

So, even if I didn't believe your claim, Impoetic is almost certainly town.

[Accountant]

so we have jae and impoetic as conftown. vig can claim for a fourth conftown, jjd is semi-confirmed.

I should take this opportunity to point out that if jjd's claim is real we would have follower, innocent child, vig and gunsmith in the same game, which is a pretty heavy list. I highly doubt there's a 5th power role, so if someone else that is not the vig claims, it should be treated as acounterclaim to jjd; hence, if there's someone who is a power role but isn't vig and is still unclaimed, they should claim now and we can lynch jjd.

[Xkfyu]

so we have jae and impoetic as conftown. vig can claim for a fourth conftown, jjd is semi-confirmed.

I should take this opportunity to point out that if jjd's claim is real we would have follower, innocent child, vig and gunsmith in the same game, which is a pretty heavy list. I highly doubt there's a 5th power role, so if someone else that is not the vig claims, it should be treated as acounterclaim to jjd; hence, if there's someone who is a power role but isn't vig and is still unclaimed, they should claim now and we can lynch jjd.

Agree with all of this.

[Accountant]

I'm choosing to believe JJD's claim unless there's a CC.

in which case we have jae, impoetic, jjd as conftown. let's say vig doesn't claim.

possible mafia:

{MURDERCAT, Accountant, sonrio, xkfyu, ira, tam}

I believe ira and tam are mafia, so that means the last guy is sonrio/xk (I'm going to go ahead and assume MCAT is town because he is) personally I'd say sonrio over xk, but we can ponder that after we execute tam and ira.

let's go

[Accountant]

btw a jjd fakeclaim doesn't really make sense here, that's why I'm assuuming he's town.

if jjd is scum he knows that IC, follower and vig still exist, so he knows if there's a fourth PR that PR can counterclaim him by virtue of "there's no way a normal game has 5 PRs lmao" so it makes no sense to claim, especially this early, especially as its by no means confirmed at the time that tam wasn't going to die.

regardless of jjd's alignment I'm also treating impoetic as conftown. I have a strong townread on her(2nd place next to my read on murder) + there's no way in 13 hells a scum!jjd who just claimed that would say his scumbuddy was gun-free. the only way she's scum is if JJD is also scum and has also been possessed by a cthulhian god of madness, OR she's scum doctor, which I highly doubt given the unpopularity of scum doctor as a role, and the sketchiness of giving scum a PR that counters vig in a 9-3 setup, and my previous townread of her

[Accountant]

I don't want to pull a triv and say I solved the game, but I kind of did

[Xkfyu]

I don't want to pull a triv and say I solved the game, but I kind of did

Perhaps, but I think it's premature.

There are a couple of assumptions that you've made that I am not quite prepared to accept as fact. Not without more information, anyways.

I think I actually have an idea as to who the vig is, but I'm gonna wait for the claim before I say more.

[JaeReed]

VOTE: Tam

We get Tam then.

[Accountant]

What are the assumptions xk?