Mini 517: Tree Stump Mafia: Game Over

[Adele]

This is what I make the VC to be at:

Quagmire: 5 (d3sisted, pooky, Mastermind of Sin, mith, max)
silverphoenix: 2 (Jdodge, scotmany12)
Adele: 1 (Quagmire)
Korlash: 1 (Korlash)
scotmany12: 1 (silverphoenix)

And, in case it's not obvious, I'm ready to vote for you. Hell, I've been ready to vote for you for several pages now. One last chance: Stump. Now. I'll be dropping my vote in 24 hours.

[Thok]

Vote Count

Quagmire (5): (d3sisted, PookyTheMagicalBear, Mastermind of Sin, Mith, Max)
SilverPhoenix (2): (JDodge, scotmany12)
Adele (1): (Quagmire)
Korlash (1): (Korlash)
scotmany12 (1): (SilverPhoenix)
JDodge (0):
d3sisted (0):
Aimee (0):
Mith (0):
Mastermind of Sin (0):
Max (0):
PookyTheMagicalBear (0):

Not voting (2): (Aimee, Adele)

[scotmany12]

I already told you silver. It was predetermined. I never intended for it to get adele lynched. It was a joke. And I am still happy with my vote.

I can understand why you people are disappointed with quag, but you all seem to believe that he is lying. Or at least some of you do. I think you guys are just casting your votes blindly. If quag does not know his role, then we should ignore him for today. Starting the next day we can focus on him. I also personally do not see scum trying to pull what he is doing. I believe that this is a waste of a lynch.

[Mastermind of Sin]

Quagmire's latest posts are not making me feel any better. It now looks like he's trying to push his "I'll know who I am tomorrow!" statement as a copout to squirm away from being lynched. That is a ridiculous statement. Someone please put down another vote. Quag, this is your last chance to stump before you die.

[JDodge]

This Quagwagon reeks of opportunism from some of its less vocal members like d3sisted and Max.

[scotmany12]

I find myself agreeing with Jdodge on this, more so with Max than with d3sisted.

[d3sisted]

This Quagwagon reeks of opportunism from some of its less vocal members like d3sisted and Max.

That is bullshit. I've stated my case against him, voted him, pushed for his 'stumping' since the beginning, and have even openly stated that I want him stumped NOW. In fact, I could not have been any more blunter than I was in 136.

Quagmire: You are insulting our intelligence if you think we will let you slide through to day 2 refusing to stump and refusing to check your role.

But nevertheless, let's withhold from lynching and give him some time to check his role. If he continues to refuse to stump or check his role, by all means hammer. Until then, this game will stand in a stalemate.

[scotmany12]

Lol, you made five posts. I hardly see you pushing for the lynch. And I really don't see any case from you. Only reason I think max is more opportunistic than you is because you were the first on the wagon.

Do you think quag is scum? Do you believe that quag has not checked his role d3sisted?

[d3sisted]

Personally I think he is lying and trying to buy time, but I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.

[Korlash]

until i've become a "normal" player.

So what, your some sort of special player who should be allowed to live today even though you are refusing to do either of the two things the town is asking you to? I mean I can be stubborn myself, but what your doing is just plain stupid. How hard is it to see your "strategy" is not benefiting the town in anyway.

Also how is this buying time? I mean we are pushing for a lynch in a game that is specifically made to keep day one going. It's kinda the opposite of buying time!

[Aimee]

(Ooops, this game wasn't in my watched topics at all.)

I'll post today, guys. Sorry.

[Aimee]

If I was opportunistic, I would have completely ignored Quagmire's last post and still be advocating his lynch. I am not. I just see your and jdodge's actions as trying to get me lynched for what was really a mistake.

How does this make sense?

well I guess you cannot find him scummy or... the opposite of scummy. What woudl that be? Towny? Pro-Town? Not scummy? Anyways, Seems it would in a sense be neither. As he said so himself, he wanted to look at the game in a neutral way. I admit it's still a poor basis fro a lynch but it is in no way a benefit for the town. Maybe for him personally as to his outlook, but to us it is just a hindrance and annoying.

This really sits on the fence here and is non-committal.

My stance on Quagmire - I'm actually more concerned about the way he's refusing to stump than his lack of role PMing. It is completely clear that scum are more likely to refuse to stump than town.

This Quagwagon reeks of opportunism from some of its less vocal members like d3sisted and Max.

I second this opinion, but only on Max, not d3sisted so much.

Most suspicious of Quag by far, but also got an eye on Max and Korlash, and SilverPhoenix.

[SilverPhoenix]

I never intended for it to get adele lynched. It was a joke.

Thank you for that. It seems like people can never fully explain themselves sometimes...
I don't like the direction Quag is going. Now, he seems rub in our face that he is neutral and an excuse not to lynch him. Nothing is for certain yet. Although I believe your neutrality for now, it is based on the actions that you do, and your actions right now do not really support your neutrality.

IGEMOY: Quag

[SilverPhoenix]

EDBWOP:

IGMEOY: Quag

How does this make sense?

Not sure what you mean. This is almost as ambiguous as...

Everyone, please read the bolded part very carefully. Can you see what I see?

@Aimee: I agree with your view of the Quagwagon, but I also see the same thing in the people that brought the accusations against me (especially JDodge).

@scotmany12: Wait, you criticize d3 for being on the wagon with only 5 total posts? How is that not more opportunistic than my vote?

[mith]

You believe his "neutrality" based on his actions, and his actions don't support his neutrality? Or am I just misunderstanding what you're saying?

Theory (not based on that statement in particular, but on reading SP's posts): Quag + SilverPhoenix = scumbuddies.

If Quag is innocent, I'm thinking at least one of JDodge/scotmany12 is scum, and at least one of the bandwagoners.

At least this whole Quag nonsense is providing some interesting information.

[scotmany12]

Cause d3 was the first one to vote for Quag. And unlike you, he actually thinks quag is scummy. Also can you explain what you mean about Quag's neatrality? Mith has already addressed this.

[Adele]

vote: Quagmire

obligatory "

Quagmire is on Lynch-1

" notice.

I hesitated, since he's not posted in this thread since my threat. But he

has

posted onsite, and this isn't the hammer, so...

[mith]

Stump! Stump! Stump! Stump!

Stump!

[Korlash]

Yeah go ahead and stump. I would not be surprised if you got lynched... a little annoyed yes... But not surprised at all...

[JDodge]

i find it ironic how in trying to prevent unnecessary deaths we're rushing someone to the gallows

[Korlash]

You noticed that too did you? [/sarcasm]

[d3sisted]

i find it ironic how in trying to prevent unnecessary deaths we're rushing someone to the gallows

I find it odd how you insist on defending him in this manner.

Please. Tell us how our case/judgment is flawed.

[JDodge]

i find it ironic how in trying to prevent unnecessary deaths we're rushing someone to the gallows

I find it odd how you insist on defending him in this manner.

Please. Tell us how our case/judgment is flawed.

It's hypocritical. Let's prevent people from refusing to prevent a lynch by lynching them!

[d3sisted]

There is no reason that a town shouldn't stump. It is in our favour that we prevent as many lynches as possible, as we have the alternative of stumping, which is what we're doing. I agree with you that I would much rather have Quagmire stumped than lynched, but because scum will be refusing to stump, we have no other choice but to lynch hm.

Anyway, I think I ought to

unvote

to prevent a self-lynch.

As an aside, what do suggest we do to get rid of Quagmire, or at least get him to cooperate?

[JDodge]

There is no reason that a town shouldn't stump. It is in our favour that we prevent as many lynches as possible, as we have the alternative of stumping, which is what we're doing. I agree with you that I would much rather have Quagmire stumped than lynched, but because scum will be refusing to stump, we have no other choice but to lynch hm.

Anyway, I think I ought to

unvote

to prevent a self-lynch.

As an aside, what do suggest we do to get rid of Quagmire, or at least get him to cooperate?

Personally I suggest we actually scumhunt for a while and find an alternative to Quag - for now. We can always come back to Quag tomorrow or later today if nothing else pans out.

The whole case on Quag is that he's supposedly scum for not wanting to stump, when (from his position, having not opened his role PM yet) is indeed the second most optimal play besides opening your role PM when you are near lynch to see whether you should stump or not. Furthermore, you have no real basis to say he is scum - just basis to call for his head. I see no point to lynching someone without any reason to think said person is scum since it's contrary to the town goal of eliminating mislynches.