Mini 506: The Siena Syndicate - Game Over!

[Oman]

I paired you with two others in two seperate pair systems, and I'm not srue about anything, so I'm keeping my eyes open on pairing.

[ChronX]

One other thing, he calls me out for my post in which I enumerated suspicious people from Day 1, including Greenday. He ignores the fact that I promptly clarified that to indicate that I was answering the question of whether Grrenday or CynicClinic was more scummy on day 1 (the whole thing about whether the NK was likely to be from someone who had a vote on them from GD).

[Gorrad]

3. Misses my post in between my vote and unvote which is loaded with smileys. I'm still in the random phase in 34, which maybe he can't tell (I vote for the stated reason that CC missed the GMs rule to have fun....random votehop) VERDICT: Making this vote/unvote scummy is seriously twisting the context. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt since he wasn't here to "feel" it

You're still in the random stage when someone else is actually doing something? WHY? Random votes are supposed to be used until the actual scumhunting starts, so why do it when there's real work to be done?

5. Hammer and the hammer defense. *shrug* I've defended myself on that, to White. Oman IS White. I don't need to re-explain myself to the same role, do I? Its all back there to read. If Oman wants to re-open discussion of my hammer with specific questions, I'll be glad to discuss it further, and let the rest of the town decide whether it is productive scum hunting.
VERDICT: Old news. Other people don't agree with my hammer, some do. Its WIFOM case at best, either way, his attack or my defense of the subject.

You REALLY should have waited until the claim before hammering- it could have allowed us to keep another power role. Just because you explained something to his predecessor doesn't mean that Oman feels the same way about it as White. This isn't WIFOM at all, it's a serious scumtell.

6. Goes ad hominem on me with his woman comments, doesn't agree with my case or presentation of it on Clockwork. Says things Clockwork has been saying. To use Oman's logic about me and Avinyl, SCUMBUDDIES!. ps for those who say I started it, refer to that little piece of his case on me to see who started with the sarcastic personal attack first.

Ok, so he insulted you. That was out of line, but he used it to illustrate a point. You used it to try and weasel your way out of accusations.

7. Scum "pairs" me with 2 other people, when we have already had one mafia member die. Most common sense set up with a mafia member dying at night is that we have a serial killer. So one of the essences of Oman's case is that we have FOUR mafia members (me, Avinyl, Vamp, and dead Greenday) AND most people conclude a serial killer. If we have a SK, then common sense suggests we have a roleblocker or 1shot roleblocker, and we have a claimed miller. Quite the set up that Oman's case hangs together on.

Just because he pairs you with two others doesn't mean he thinks that BOTH are scum. It means he thinks you're likely to be scum with one of them. You're grasping for straws here. I think a setup containing a miller, an SK, and 3 mafia is completely reasonable.

Logical town players will echo Peers question

Ok, now you're saying that if we don't echo it we must be illogical. Ad hominem.

Avinyl already has votes, and Oman fingers him as scum. Wouldn't his vote have been more productive on Avinyl, if it was not furthering some other agenda by landing on me?

He's explained this, and quite satisfactorly in my opinion. He thinks that you're scum more than he thinks that Avinyl is, so he votes for you. Nothing strange there.

That's my take on your counter-argument. You're ignoring things that Oman said, and taking others out of context. You're scum, you're caught, and you're just trying to weasel your way out of it.

[ChronX]

I'll wait for Clockwork to come and say you are being personal against me and not giving me the benefit of the doubt. I was asked for a case defending myself and gave one. HOW DARE YOU DEMAND IT BE A GOOD CASE? WAAAAAAAAAAAH!

(Did I whine up to your ability Clockwork?)

[Oman]

ChronX this afternoon I will do my own rull response to your defence.

[clockwork]

Re: ChronX: I said before that I didn't approve of the name-calling and personal attacks directed at you. Yet somehow you've decided to make me the target of all your vitriol and pettiness anyway. Until you can act like a respectable human being, I'm done with you.

(To others: Should I somehow be lynched and my role be revealed by the mod, please remember who pushed hardest for my death.)

[Oman]

No, no you didn't.

I hate that line, I really do. What its designed to do is if you're mafia scare the townies away from voting you.

Thats really ungood, you have hardly any votes on you, you are not exactly the focus of attention, and you post that.

Thats a scumpoint for Clockwork.

[clockwork]

Hm, sorry about that -- I didn't realize. I'm still learning though -- this is only my second game.

[ChronX]

Ugh.

The last 2 posts force me to change how I approach Clockwork.

His soft claim is scummy, but in light of the latest post, where he claims newb, it puts a lot of his play into a different light.

Clockwork, are you convinced of the alignment of White/Oman? I AM NOT asking you to indicate which, or how you might know, but since you have implied you have a "role" you are putting yourself out there as something more than vanilla (if not, take home lesson from this game will be phrasing).

UNVOTE

[Peers]

*sigh*

I'm declaring myself neutral in the whole ChronX/ Clockwork /Oman crossfire thing, at least until more evidence surfaces to point to one of them. All too often townies set sights on townies early on, and I don't want that to happen in this game.

[clockwork]

Thanks for dropping the sarcasm. To answer your question, I'm not 100% sure on Oman/White. I'm not 100% on anybody.

[Avinyl]

I apologize that i have not posted, but i have been away and i thought that i had posted to say that. I must have forgotten. I will have to reread what has happened while i was away.

[Gorrad]

Y'all're right. This is rather a snail's-pace game.

[Oman]

Peers and Gorrad, I would like you to take a look and post a stance. If that stance is that we're all town or all scum I'm happy to hear it, I just want a feel from you.

[Xdaamno]

Page 13 Votecount

ChronX: 3

(Oman, clockwork, Gorrad)

Avinyl: 2

(Peers, Cynic Clinic)

clockwork: 1

(Glork)

Peers: 1

(Avinyl)

Not Voting: 3

(ChannelDelibird, ooba, ChronX)

Player List: ooba, clockwork, ChannelDelibird, Cynic Clinic, Avinyl, Glrok, Gorrad, Peers, Oman, ChronX.

Six (6) to lynch.

[Peers]

Peers and Gorrad, I would like you to take a look and post a stance. If that stance is that we're all town or all scum I'm happy to hear it, I just want a feel from you.

Well, y'all are annoyin', Ah'll give yah tha' much ri' now...

... erm, lemme drop the accent.

I see it as "Everyone's town arguing over stupid little piddling things because they can't find any real evidence of scum, so they're trying to make people trip up and are going after people who aren't scum."

I think you all need to step back, take a day off the thread, re-read it and maybe you'll see where I'm coming from... you're taking little things and blowing them way out of proportion.

[Gorrad]

I've already voiced my suspicion of ChronX, I don't think I need to repeat that. I also see the case on Avinyl. Clockwork I've got a strong gut scum feeling from. Glork, your play so far has been good, but I didn't like the White/Orig dealeo. Oman and Peers seem pretty clean to me. I don't really have strong feelings on anyone else.

[Xdaamno]

Reminder: The deadline is Wednesday, the 7th of November.

[Oman]

Okay well peers, who do you think is the scumpartner of Avinyl then? If ChronX, Me, and clockwork are town, who is the final scum?

[Peers]

At this point? No idea.

[Oman]

If you had to say someone, who would it be.

And where the hell is Cynic?

[clockwork]

Mod, my vote total should be 1.

Thanks for pointing that out. In future, it'd be easier if people PMed me these things, but thanks anyway.

[Peers]

If you had to say someone, who would it be.

Wel, if I had to... and I've got nothing to back this up beyond gut feelings at this point... CDB or Cynic.

[ChronX]

vote Avinyl

[Oman]

Works for me peers. If avinyl comes up scum I'll be asking you about links to the two of them.

Unvote Vote Avinyl

Scumbag 2 lives to D3, scumbag 3 dies today.