Mini 1800 - Game Over

[MathBlade]

@Dierfire Don't ask me to fix your role PM. I am doing my part by voting you. Please contribute to the solution of removing scum from the thread aka you and Magna.

[Dierfire]

So when someone suggests it I go "talk to the hand because your bullshit in my ears gives me a headache".

I hope that I've never said anything of the kind in any game. I don't think that I have.

[Dierfire]

That's it for me tonight.

[Titus]

Holy fuckwalls.

If you think I read those. Nope.

[MathBlade]

Then what are your reads right now considering what you will read?

[GreyICE]

Official Vote Count

MathBlade

(4): Persivul, MagnaofIllusion, Dierfire, karnos

Dierfire

(3): Firebringer, MechaGoomba, MathBlade

qubixes

(1): Saru

Persivul

(1): Titus

karnos

(1): Masquerade

Saru

(1): qubixes

Not Voting

(0):

None.

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2016-07-11 15:59:41)

[Titus]

Then what are your reads right now considering what you will read?

No change from last time

[Titus]

Saru, your vote is bad.

Dierfire, the aliens must have jacked my criticism of your townread of me.

Masq/, karnos is a bad vote.

Quibxes, you too. Saru town.

Disagree. 5 sentences or less.

[Firebringer]

I want one. Math just made herself really likely scum. I am going to have to vote her but I don't want to.

Hugs for all!

[Firebringer]

In seriousness Titus, your sister is pretty strong town here.
I don't know why you two always gotta not trust each other.

Really reminds me of Star Wars game I hosted on MU. You guys fought so hard, except Math thought you were like confirmed scum and tunneled you.

[Saru]

Saru, your vote is bad.

I agree.
UNVOTE: qubixes

[MathBlade]

Saru, your vote is bad.

Dierfire, the aliens must have jacked my criticism of your townread of me.

Masq/, karnos is a bad vote.

Quibxes, you too. Saru town.

Disagree. 5 sentences or less.

Dierfire doesn't townread you.
Why are you voting a slot that doesn't have a human behind it?

@Firebringer -- I have not played a game on Mafia universe. Because reasons.

[MathBlade]

@Titus - Who are good votes? Why?

[MathBlade]

To work to work. It is off to work I go.
Gotta write some lines of code and earn the dough.

Titus I love you, let's not betray that sister groove.
I have faith in you sis so please make yourself understood.

Then everyone can get a ready on the old slot of Kappy.
And you can make this all super snappy.

When you are town you usually figure things out.
I look forward to hopefully you and scum get in a bout.

Because scum will never win that fight.
I have faith you will turn around and read me right.

This is me trying to reach across the post aisle.
Doing everything I can to make you smile.

Please bring it sis and use more than 5 sentences,
Because there is no limit when you swing for the fences.

[Saru]

To work to work. It is off to work I go.
Gotta write some lines of code and earn the dough.

Titus I love you, let's not betray that sister groove.
I have faith in you sis so please make yourself understood.

Then everyone can get a ready on the old slot of Kappy.
And you can make this all super snappy.

When you are town you usually figure things out.
I look forward to hopefully you and scum get in a bout.

Because scum will never win that fight.
I have faith you will turn around and read me right.

This is me trying to reach across the post aisle.
Doing everything I can to make you smile.

Please bring it sis and use more than 5 sentences,
Because there is no limit when you swing for the fences.

[MechaGoomba]

I felt (and still feel) that MathBlade could be Mafia with karnos. At the time I also felt that JohnnyFarrar would be a good partner for karnos, but that MathBlade would not be Mafia with both karnos and JohnnyFarrar.

OK, I misinterpreted. The point that your read on Math is built on associatives remains, and having it be with someone you admit to not being able to read isn't much better.

MathBlade actually makes an interesting point about Daytalk, although I can't recall any posts that sound like they were written in collaboration.

Here, what Dierfire is doing is essentially asking for examples. By saying "I can't recall any posts", he is putting the onus on MathBlade to dig up posts that support their theory.
I don't like this reaction. A more townie reaction would be "My posts look edited because they were. I make long arguments full of links; if I didn't proofread before posting, they'd be incomprehensible."
The way he reacted, he is asking "Can you prove it?" But he easily could have said "That isn't a scumtell" or even "I don't do that; I don't edit my posts. I don't know where that impression came from."

When town are accused, they respond with a statement. "No, I did not do that." "Yes, I did that, but it is not a scumtell." They are saying "this argument is wrong" because they know it is wrong.
Scum respond with questions. "Can you prove it?" "Do you have specific examples?" They say only "This argument is weak" because they know it is right, even if it is right for the wrong reasons.

[MagnaofIllusion]

MOD – I’ll be V/LA from today at 5pm EDT until Tuesday morning for family and holiday activites.

Math is a great vote and needs more of them. That she’s can’t actually push people on facts and has reverted to just saying “Yo, youz Scumz” and “Imma baller Town” should reinforce this for people.

Mathblade and Mecha have priority for me rn. I'm still a bit bothered by how he responded when I said scum have daytalk, like he was testing the waters to see if anyone else wanted to wagon me for knowing that

Masq this is an absolute salient point.

Let me ask – what did you like about Mecha’s hammer reaction? Personally I think the way he shifted from “Understandable but unfortunate hammer” to “Lynch worthy bad hammer” in 9 posts was scum indicative. His response when I questioned him was basically “Um, I was waiting to see Masq motivations” which doesn’t hold up to me.

Is part of your Mecha read involved in him dropping his suspicion of you today?

So yesterday I read you as scum for trying to get a new wagon going when Johnny was wagoned, and when Johnny flipped town that kind of countered that theory.

So who do you think is in best position to call a wagon on Town bad? That’s classic scum 101 “Claw for Towncred on a Mislynch” play.

I've spent too long being unproductive.
VOTE: Dierfire

I think this is the launching point of Mecha attempting to generate a counter-wagon to his partner’s.

@Magna -- It isn't buddying. It is how I find Titus town. If I follow her immediately she is probably scum. It is just a thing. Otherwise I would be betraying my meta read of her.
And about the jail keepers fine MS has different meta. But why did you not respond then.
If ignoring posts without acknowledging ignoring is a thing I don't like that about MS meta.

Oh so buddying is yoru super sekrit read technique. Gotcha.

And the second part of this is scum to a tee. You called me out on lying, got smacked down hard with facts, and then go moving the goalposts attempting to keep your read by insinuating that my not responding is scummy.

Fact – I don’t make it a habit of answering most of my top scum-read’s questions to me. I don’t do busywork for scum.

You need rope BADLY …

More scummy points for begging for town read too.

VOTE: Dierfire

Scum seeing hope in a counter-wagon and grasping at it like a life preserver in the Ocean as their ship is going down.

[MechaGoomba]

That she’s can’t actually push people on facts and has reverted to just saying “Yo, youz Scumz” and “Imma baller Town” should reinforce this for people.

Would you mind convincing people to vote your scumreads? Because right now, you're doing the opposite.
Being insulting doesn't make you insightful. All being insulting does is make the more thin-skinned people in the game quit listening to you. And you can very well say that it's their fault for being thin-skinned, but if those people can't stand reading your arguments there's a snowball's chance in hell they're going to support you, no matter how much you berate them about it.
You are not kuriboh. If you would kindly stop pretending to be so that you can start helping the town, that would be grand.

I think this is the launching point of Mecha attempting to generate a counter-wagon to his partner’s.

Oh? Because maybe I misread, but I remember you saying the same thing when I was pushing you.
Tell me, honestly -- is there anyone besides MathBlade who you wouldn't consider a counterwagon? Don't even tell me who they are, just yes or no.

Oh so buddying is yoru super sekrit read technique. Gotcha.

Are you physically capable of responding to someone you think is scum without belittling them?


Magna, you are using empty insults and pointless repetition as a substitute for reasoning. I can't speak for other players, but if you were making actual cases, I'd be much more likely to be convinced.

[Dierfire]

Dierfire, the aliens must have jacked my criticism of your townread of me.

I don't understand what this means.

[Dierfire]

@MechaGoomba

MathBlade actually makes an interesting point about Daytalk, although I can't recall any posts that sound like they were written in collaboration.

Here, what Dierfire is doing is essentially asking for examples. By saying "I can't recall any posts", he is putting the onus on MathBlade to dig up posts that support their theory.
I don't like this reaction. A more townie reaction would be "My posts look edited because they were. I make long arguments full of links; if I didn't proofread before posting, they'd be incomprehensible."
The way he reacted, he is asking "Can you prove it?" But he easily could have said "That isn't a scumtell" or even "I don't do that; I don't edit my posts. I don't know where that impression came from."

When town are accused, they respond with a statement. "No, I did not do that." "Yes, I did that, but it is not a scumtell." They are saying "this argument is wrong" because they know it is wrong.
Scum respond with questions. "Can you prove it?" "Do you have specific examples?" They say only "This argument is weak" because they know it is right, even if it is right for the wrong reasons.

If I were trying to ask MathBlade for examples, I'd ask MathBlade for examples. Also, why would I be trying to "recall" my posts? I could just look at them myself.
MathBlade said something that I hadn't expected--I hadn't been reading any posts to see whether they sounded like they were written in collaboration. My 1218 is me saying that I can't recall any posts by

other players

that would fit with a collaborative composition. My response to the accusation about my posts is in 1220, not 1218. I think that this is the only way that you could read my "interesting point" bit as making sense.

[MechaGoomba]

[sarcasm]
So, when Math said you were scummy because you acted like scum with daytalk and you said "I can't see any posts that look like they were made by scum with daytalk", you, of course, were referring entirely to posts by other players. You weren't defending yourself, you were

just happening

to mention an interesting point that

just happened

to suggest that you were town.

Because 1218 wasn't a defense, when you made 1220, you weren't hastily revising your point; you were making your defense for the first time! It was

only coincidental

that 1218 had the thing Math scumread you for, and 1220 didn't.
[/sarcasm]

There is a limit to what I will accept based solely on your word. At some point, I have to start using Occam's razor, and "you're scum" is a much simpler explanation.

[Titus]

To work to work. It is off to work I go.
Gotta write some lines of code and earn the dough.

Titus I love you, let's not betray that sister groove.
I have faith in you sis so please make yourself understood.

Then everyone can get a ready on the old slot of Kappy.
And you can make this all super snappy.

When you are town you usually figure things out.
I look forward to hopefully you and scum get in a bout.

Because scum will never win that fight.
I have faith you will turn around and read me right.

This is me trying to reach across the post aisle.
Doing everything I can to make you smile.

Please bring it sis and use more than 5 sentences,
Because there is no limit when you swing for the fences.

I am not reading wall posts.

Shit I need 3 more sentences. Meh, no.

[MathBlade]

MOD – I’ll be V/LA from today at 5pm EDT until Tuesday morning for family and holiday activites.

Math is a great vote and needs more of them. That she’s can’t actually push people on facts and has reverted to just saying “Yo, youz Scumz” and “Imma baller Town” should reinforce this for people.

Mathblade and Mecha have priority for me rn. I'm still a bit bothered by how he responded when I said scum have daytalk, like he was testing the waters to see if anyone else wanted to wagon me for knowing that

Masq this is an absolute salient point.

Let me ask – what did you like about Mecha’s hammer reaction? Personally I think the way he shifted from “Understandable but unfortunate hammer” to “Lynch worthy bad hammer” in 9 posts was scum indicative. His response when I questioned him was basically “Um, I was waiting to see Masq motivations” which doesn’t hold up to me.

Is part of your Mecha read involved in him dropping his suspicion of you today?

So yesterday I read you as scum for trying to get a new wagon going when Johnny was wagoned, and when Johnny flipped town that kind of countered that theory.

So who do you think is in best position to call a wagon on Town bad? That’s classic scum 101 “Claw for Towncred on a Mislynch” play.

I've spent too long being unproductive.
VOTE: Dierfire

I think this is the launching point of Mecha attempting to generate a counter-wagon to his partner’s.

@Magna -- It isn't buddying. It is how I find Titus town. If I follow her immediately she is probably scum. It is just a thing. Otherwise I would be betraying my meta read of her.
And about the jail keepers fine MS has different meta. But why did you not respond then.
If ignoring posts without acknowledging ignoring is a thing I don't like that about MS meta.

Oh so buddying is yoru super sekrit read technique. Gotcha.

And the second part of this is scum to a tee. You called me out on lying, got smacked down hard with facts, and then go moving the goalposts attempting to keep your read by insinuating that my not responding is scummy.

Fact – I don’t make it a habit of answering most of my top scum-read’s questions to me. I don’t do busywork for scum.

You need rope BADLY …

More scummy points for begging for town read too.

VOTE: Dierfire

Scum seeing hope in a counter-wagon and grasping at it like a life preserver in the Ocean as their ship is going down.

First paragraph misrep. I have been staring my points in many different ways. Hell people get annoyed by it but I have never once used my majority read town status to say sheep me. I try to bring people aboard.

Second paragraph -- It is called town reads. And fighting for my belief. I don't know if I am right but I suspect derp I try to stop derp. It is my thing.

Third paragraph -- Fuck that. I am just trying to get reads and get people to do shit. If everyone thinks I am scum (which would be derp) I will take my lynch like a boss and try to point people in the right direction while going down swinging. It is called explaining myself and admitting mistakes. It is a thing. Too bad you are such so far in conf!bias you can't see it.

Well too bad because not interacting with players is scummy. And since IMHO you are scum you don't want to be lynched do you?

Yes I need rope to hang you with. Got any?

[MathBlade]

To work to work. It is off to work I go.
Gotta write some lines of code and earn the dough.

Titus I love you, let's not betray that sister groove.
I have faith in you sis so please make yourself understood.

Then everyone can get a ready on the old slot of Kappy.
And you can make this all super snappy.

When you are town you usually figure things out.
I look forward to hopefully you and scum get in a bout.

Because scum will never win that fight.
I have faith you will turn around and read me right.

This is me trying to reach across the post aisle.
Doing everything I can to make you smile.

Please bring it sis and use more than 5 sentences,
Because there is no limit when you swing for the fences.

I am not reading wall posts.

Shit I need 3 more sentences. Meh, no.

Are you under a post restriction or a laziness restriction?

[Titus]

Neither, just annoyed after the first few and would like conspcise thoughts