Designer Mafia 2007 - Game Over, Final Scene Posted!
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mneme emneme mneme mninie mno
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As above, strenuously requesting explanations for votes that were not initially accompanied by explainations.Nocmen wrote:
Explain where I was witch hunting and role fishing.mneme wrote:unvote(for witch hunting and role fishing, not to mention perpetuating the myth of the random stage).
vote: Nocmen
No, not giving explanations is notper sescummy.
Votes without explainations can be:
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[*] Lazy random votes.
[*] non-random votes where the voter doesn't feel a need to explain.
[*] Bandwagon votes.
[*] Scum votes (really, those are just bandwagon votes, mostly, or role-motivated votes)
[*] Role-motivated votes
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While you want to look at people's pattern of behavior, pushing too hard for explanations of votes clarifies the first four explainations vs the 5th one, and therefore verges on fishing.
Moreover, this is a game of feint, bluff, and direct attack, not one of "debate team 101". Throwing up bandwagons on people just because they refuse to explain votes regardless of whether it's reasonable that the votes -would- be explainable is witch hunting. More particularly, I don't think several of your attacks were reasonable and the pattern is troubling.Did I say too much?-
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Shanba So win
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Shanba So win
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lol defence of Nocmen noted. vote stands until i read the last 2 pages.Sir Tornado wrote:
Ok... I seem to be wrong then.ZONEACE wrote:Sir Tornado wrote:I think Nocmen has to say specific numbers of "meep"s per page...
ok except page one was 9, page two was 0, page three was 13, page four was 3 and so far on page five its been 13. So, hows that then.Show2020 Stats - 31 completed games:
Survived to the end and won - 11
Nightkilled - 10
Survived to the end and lost - 6
Day-elimmed by majority - 4
winrate as scum: 78%
winrate as town: 55%-
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I am just showing why you need to provide an explanation . If you let one person just vote for whoever without giving an explanation... then what reasons does that give others do give explanations? Basically, it is bad for the game to just vote for someone seriously, but not say why.unvote, and I need to look over and make sure who I think said what is indeed who said what. Lots of different conversations going on at once >.<"It's not a logical inconsistency. B can't be correct because then C would be, but it doesn't go the other way - there's nothing wrong with C being correct. Aside from Twomz saying otherwise." --Mith-
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Ok, explain how does any of that qualify for a "defence".Battle Mage wrote:
lol defence of Nocmen noted. vote stands until i read the last 2 pages.Sir Tornado wrote:
Ok... I seem to be wrong then.ZONEACE wrote:Sir Tornado wrote:I think Nocmen has to say specific numbers of "meep"s per page...
ok except page one was 9, page two was 0, page three was 13, page four was 3 and so far on page five its been 13. So, hows that then.I'm back!-
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FaerieLord Mafia Scum
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Nocmen meep meep
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I don't think the vote was random, so that doesn't deal with the first case. In day 1, I don't see really how it would be role motivated, unless it was a lyncher or something, which I'm not sure MoS would have in a game like this, but that might just be because I personally feel that it is an imbalanced role to use. That pretty much leads to bandwagon votes, or scum votes, as I also don't agree with people not feeling like explaining, unless it is stupidly obvious (it wasn't though this time). Twomz even just showed how he raised suspicion towards himself when he voted without reasoning.mneme wrote:
As above, strenuously requesting explanations for votes that were not initially accompanied by explainations.Nocmen wrote:
Explain where I was witch hunting and role fishing.mneme wrote:unvote(for witch hunting and role fishing, not to mention perpetuating the myth of the random stage).
vote: Nocmen
No, not giving explanations is notper sescummy.
Votes without explainations can be:
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[*] Lazy random votes.
[*] non-random votes where the voter doesn't feel a need to explain.
[*] Bandwagon votes.
[*] Scum votes (really, those are just bandwagon votes, mostly, or role-motivated votes)
[*] Role-motivated votes
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While you want to look at people's pattern of behavior, pushing too hard for explanations of votes clarifies the first four explainations vs the 5th one, and therefore verges on fishing.
Moreover, this is a game of feint, bluff, and direct attack, not one of "debate team 101". Throwing up bandwagons on people just because they refuse to explain votes regardless of whether it's reasonable that the votes -would- be explainable is witch hunting. More particularly, I don't think several of your attacks were reasonable and the pattern is troubling.
Meeping isn't good for your health you know.Sir Tornado wrote:
I was not trying to "excuse" meeps. I was trying to speculate on why he is meeping.FaerieLord wrote:@SirT. You were trying to excuse the meeps. While I still it is stupid reasoning, I think that is what BM is trying to get to-
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No, actually, it's not.Twomz wrote:Basically, it is bad for the game to just vote for someone seriously, but not say why.
Explanations are required for potentially scummy behavior, and, of course, a lot of this game involves making cases on one another. And if you want -others- to follow your vote, you might want to give an explanation.
But a vote (particularly, an early vote) isn't per se scummy, and therefore doesn't require an explanation. It's sometimes a good idea, and sometimes not.
Not throwing votes into this because this isn't a particularly scummy philosophical conversation, yet, on AFAICT, any side.Did I say too much?-
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This is Designer Mafia. All the roles are new--don't assume anything.Nocmen wrote: I don't see really how it would be role motivated, unless it was a lyncher or something,
For example, I could see:
An Anti-mason (you know [insert group, probably 1 person] is scum).
A mason (you know, that oh-so-unsual mason role? The one that you can use to know people are innocent on day 1 and therefore have a better-than-normal idea of who's scum?)
Day-cop.
Vote-forcer (day vote-forcer, presumably).
And I'm sure people can think of variations and possibilities.
I'm pretty happy with my vote on Nocmen (oh, right, that's where it is. I knew that).Did I say too much?-
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FaerieLord is right. Whether intentional or not, you're comment did come across as an attempt to give Nocmen a get-out-of-jail-free card. Of course, this only really matters if Nocmen were to be scum, but i felt it should be noted in case of that eventuality.Sir Tornado wrote:
I was not trying to "excuse" meeps. I was trying to speculate on why he is meeping.FaerieLord wrote:@SirT. You were trying to excuse the meeps. While I still it is stupid reasoning, I think that is what BM is trying to get to
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Survived to the end and won - 11
Nightkilled - 10
Survived to the end and lost - 6
Day-elimmed by majority - 4
winrate as scum: 78%
winrate as town: 55%-
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Nocmen meep meep
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Yeah, well.... okay, so I guess I'm being ignored.
oh well.
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Putting the CORRECT vote onVote: Belgarion
He's the lynch for the day, srsly.ShowSIG TIME.
Okay, it's not BABOOM. It's not BAMBOOM.
It's Bamboomancer: like necromancer, but with bamboo instead of necro.
So to recap:
I am not a Baboom. I am some sort of bamboo magic man.-
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"I'm not voting you, pay attention" is a good reason.schismatized wrote: Just clearing this up, so your vote has is still on me without any clarification as to why?
Wouldn't it have been easy to just explain yourself rather than start this whole debate on how unscummy your vote is?
vote: thyroidectemu
Just gimme some reason other than BS and I will unvote you.
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See, calling someone hostile then acting like this doesn't really work.Lol, massive failure.
Yes, I'm asking you to trust me. Imagine, in a mafia game, someone with a role asks the town to trust them, as their effect is both confirmable and benefitial. Man, that's a crazy play, I don't remember that one before.I have played and modded on other sites. Please notify me if there is an inexperience issue with my joining or modding games.-
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According to you.Thyroidectomy wrote:
See, calling someone hostile then acting like this doesn't really work.Lol, massive failure.
Yes, I'm asking you to trust me. Imagine, in a mafia game, someone with a role asks the town to trust them, astheir effect is both confirmable and benefitial.Man, that's a crazy play, I don't remember that one before.
All we're asking for is some information, comrade.
How many people do you need?
What happens? Will it effect our roles? How long will it take to come into action?
Truth is the foundation of Trust, comrade. Any player asking the town to follow them in the dark is automatically scummy.
In all honesty, if another player had a role that said "I'm going to ask the entire town to do something I tell them. I am going to give them no information, asside from the fact that I claim that doing what I say is beneficial, accuse non-supporters of being scum, and claim that my crypticizm is because it will reduce the power of my role."
How would you react, comrade?
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