New York 195: Adventure Mafia - Game over!

[Lowell]

alright so 3 things

first, i'm inclined to believe you

second, if you were 2-shot, why didn't you claim then? that could very well have saved his life, and there was no way scum could have stopped your second shot, you'd have just died while getting your second shot off

and third, what do you think of titus's 'counter-claim' now in light of the fact?

I don't understand the question. If I had claimed yesterday I could have been roleblocked. Also, saved whose life?

[Nosferatu]

kop's I presume

[Lowell]

Ah, I see. Well, again, I thought my role made Kop more likely to be scum, not less. Also, the other obvious thing I said.

[zakk]

alright so 3 things

first, i'm inclined to believe you

second, if you were 2-shot, why didn't you claim then? that could very well have saved his life, and there was no way scum could have stopped your second shot, you'd have just died while getting your second shot off

and third, what do you think of titus's 'counter-claim' now in light of the fact?

I don't understand the question. If I had claimed yesterday I could have been roleblocked. Also, saved whose life?

oh yeah huh. LOL nvm

i meant saved Kop. you shifted off the wagon; clearly you believed his claim for the reason that it matched a part of yours.



sooo about titus.

[Nosferatu]

didn't titus explicitly claim not vig?

[Titus]

I'm not a vig. There. We'll confirm that. I don't kill anyone.

I'm buying Lowell's claim. Given the claims on the table, that makes sense.

[zakk]

Ah, I see. Well, again,

I thought my role made Kop more likely to be scum, not less.

Also, the other obvious thing I said.

oh really.

then

1. why doesn't that match up with any of these things you said BEFORE kop's death?

Spoiler:

I'm inclined to believe Kop claim as town.

On the one hand, it's kind of a who-gives-a-shit role, as far as I can tell. However, everything about Kop's ISO looks like someone who has a claim that can bail them out and isn't so worried about a lynch because of it. I'm more inclined to think town would play this way. Frankly, I've done this. Had a good, clear, town claim and sort of pissed around most of the day knowing that if I got anywhere near mislynch I can just spout my claim and everyone will move on. I think that's what this is.

I'm inclined to believe Kop claim as town

. On the one hand, it's kind of a who-gives-a-shit role, as far as I can tell. However, everything about Kop's ISO looks like someone who has a claim that can bail them out and isn't so worried about a lynch because of it. I'm more inclined to think town would play this way. Frankly, I've done this. Had a good, clear, town claim and sort of pissed around most of the day knowing that if I got anywhere near mislynch I can just spout my claim and everyone will move on. I think that's what this is.

And why is this town indicative? Quite the opp -- Town would prefer not to get nk'd whereas scum will make their fakeclaim obvious so they can use it as a "Get out of jail free" card.

What I'm saying is I've definitely leaned on a claim as town but haven't done it as scum. As scum it's more of a desperation move.

So I see this as more of a town move.

As though he looked at his role and thought "ah, okay, well I won't have to try very hard at first if I don't want to." But yes I get that this is WIFOMy, so sure, feel free to disagree.

@shaz and zakk,

I haven't really seen anyone articulate why the kop claim is scum.

the "two-shot" part in particular makes me think it's a town claim. If he's scum, why wouldn't he polish his claim to be the more conventional "one-shot" or "even/odd" type of claim? I guess this is WIFOM too, but again I can't see why scum would benefit from this.

2. why did you get off his wagon right after someone said it was scum driven?

Spoiler:

hey the kop wagon is actually happening. I'm a trend-setter. You're welcome, world.

Kop (6) - Expedience, Lowell, Ircher, MagnaOfIllusion, Nosferatu, Aneninen

Likely scum pushed wagon

VOTE: matt

I'm ready to buy him as scum. I read again and I'm worried I've grown too lenient on explaining away scum as newbtown. newbtown still applies to cy, though

I'm inclined to believe Kop claim as town. On the one hand, it's kind of a who-gives-a-shit role, as far as I can tell. However, everything about Kop's ISO looks like someone who has a claim that can bail them out and isn't so worried about a lynch because of it. I'm more inclined to think town would play this way. Frankly, I've done this. Had a good, clear, town claim and sort of pissed around most of the day knowing that if I got anywhere near mislynch I can just spout my claim and everyone will move on. I think that's what this is.

purple

= what Lowell wants people to see as his reason for switching his vote

blue

= what i see.



lowell is scum.

[Nahdia]

VOTE: Lowell
yeah.

[Nahdia]

Titus basically just slam dunked Lowell

[zakk]

Really, we

just finished a game with even/odd,

when scum had even odd roles themselves.

I don't buy two shot commuter. I'm an odd night role.

VOTE: Kop

this is the

"counter-claim" from titus

i'm talking about

@shaz and zakk, I haven't really seen anyone articulate why the kop claim is scum.

the "two-shot" part in particular makes me think it's a town claim.

If he's scum, why wouldn't he polish his claim to be the more conventional "one-shot" or "even/odd" type of claim? I guess this is WIFOM too, but again I can't see why scum would benefit from this.

more of

lowell contradicting himself

[Titus]

Titus basically just slam dunked Lowell

Huh?

[zakk]

Titus basically just slam dunked Lowell

i certainly hope you mean me






i'm trying to slam dunk them both tbh

[Nahdia]

Titus basically just slam dunked Lowell

i certainly hope you mean me






i'm trying to slam dunk them both tbh

i did.

[Nahdia]

this is what happens when u dont have an avi, zakk. if there's not a face to put next to your posts, i legit don't even notice your presence.

[zakk]

Titus basically just slam dunked Lowell

Huh?

i dont have an avatar so Nahdia my attributed

actual

.

scumhunting

. to you.

you

.





lmao





maybe i should get an avatar

[zakk]

pedit: nailed it. lolol

[zakk]

this is what happens when u dont have an avi, zakk. if there's not a face to put next to your posts, i legit don't even notice your presence.

maybe thats a scumtell then



and maybe thats why i use bold colored letters so ppl will read what i'm saying. hahaha

[Titus]

Why would Lowell claim vig as not vig?

[zakk]

but for real how the hell do you forget i'm here

[zakk]

Why would Lowell claim vig as not vig?

my first thought is:

SK claims vig, hopes to draw doc protection (AND/OR counter-claim), and stops killing if things go well and he doesn't get lynched, to hold to his 2-shot vig claim (3 kills again means he's lying, etc)

if there's a real vig, he doesn't counter-claim, bc he hopes to shoot fake-vig ASAP, but is also aware of potential doc protection on him

if there's no real vig and it's 2-scum teams, then nobody can counter-claim him anyway, and he rides that claim until endgame with doc protection too



it makes a HELL of a lot of sense to claim

especially after you've lolhammered and think you're about to be lynched for gross misconduct

[zakk]

obviously though titus either:

1. is trying to ask "relevant" LAMIST questions to look pro-town
2. has absolutely no clue what's going on and is just saying things

[Titus]

@Zakk, 3 kills in a night

strongly suggests

a vig no?

[drmyshottyizsik]

So Lowell just claimed serial killer, interesting
VOTE: Lowell

[Shaziro]

VOTE: Lowell

Yeah, this is scum.

[Nahdia]

eh. i didn't notice he claimed vig. sorry i've been skimming p hard.

im not as sure now. if there's no vig CC i'd probably just attribute Lowell's play to town that's making shit up.