Mini 1796 | May 13th - Game over (Tomato Mafia wins)

[Lowell]

FTR I don't know what I think about inspector's "self-vote if you promise to kill triv" gambit. For some reason it looks less scummy on him than on others. My problem with him had been that he seemed to have been coasting, playing a little safe in plain sight. This is... quite the opposite. I want to jump in here and say OMG SCUMMY LOL KILL but my gut tells me this may be just dumb townness. At any rate, if he's scum I applaud his commitment to his insane gambit.

[Tommy]

The lurking part of my case on Kush has become null now that he's actually flaked. He remains my top suspect, but it doesn't look good for getting others to join me before the replacement, so I'll give up for now.

Neither of the two current wagons is awful, and I'd also consider a Transcend lynch, but this is the best chance:

VOTE: inspectorscout

In his early reads list, all three scum reads were evasive and non-committal, but on day 1 I read him as town because of this:

And even by saying this, i fucked myself because scum now knows my line of thoughts, too, so they can adapt to what i said.

I think this is the kind of 'Aargh I'm going round and round' thought process that's hard for a newbie to fake as scum.

On the other hand, I can't believe his position on Trivium's townslip is genuine:

That thing about dunn might have been a genuine townslip, but after thinking a bit, it was just TOO obvious.

This is the most damning, I think:

i can give you a list of my stuff with opinions like 168,188,226,243,249,296 and the seemingly infamous 301.

If you go through that list, almost every opinion is either a null read or is qualified with 'I dunno, I could be wrong'. He's trying to seem like he has an opinion while actually committing himself to as little as possible.

More recently, I really like JarJar's question about why scout saw himself as a more likely lynch than other people who had a single vote on them - especially given that scout's vote was from himself. I don't think scout has given a credible answer to that.

[Transcend]

so since everyone i vote doesn't get lynched, can i vote inspectorscout so you guys fuck off of him

this game isn't fun anymore

[Transcend]

The lurking part of my case on Kush has become null now that he's actually flaked. He remains my top suspect, but it doesn't look good for getting others to join me before the replacement, so I'll give up for now.

Neither of the two current wagons is awful, and I'd also consider a Transcend lynch, but this is the best chance:

VOTE: inspectorscout

In his early reads list, all three scum reads were evasive and non-committal, but on day 1 I read him as town because of this:

And even by saying this, i fucked myself because scum now knows my line of thoughts, too, so they can adapt to what i said.

I think this is the kind of 'Aargh I'm going round and round' thought process that's hard for a newbie to fake as scum.

On the other hand, I can't believe his position on Trivium's townslip is genuine:

That thing about dunn might have been a genuine townslip, but after thinking a bit, it was just TOO obvious.

This is the most damning, I think:

i can give you a list of my stuff with opinions like 168,188,226,243,249,296 and the seemingly infamous 301.

If you go through that list, almost every opinion is either a null read or is qualified with 'I dunno, I could be wrong'. He's trying to seem like he has an opinion while actually committing himself to as little as possible.

More recently, I really like JarJar's question about why scout saw himself as a more likely lynch than other people who had a single vote on them - especially given that scout's vote was from himself. I don't think scout has given a credible answer to that.

didn't read this post, but i bet if i did it would go something along the lines of "well, my failed attempt at getting an easy scum ML failed so i'm just moving on to the bw with the most momentum for shitty reasons"

[Transcend]

It's entirely plausible for jj to be really scummy town as I've encountered many of those.

Is it @ all possible that you're read is conf-biased, tunnelled, garbage read?

Like seriously, WTF is scummy about me?

Do you want botd until i can get the time to properly iso you? I'm willing to give it because there's lots of mixed opinions about you. I'm not the only one who thinks you're scum, however there's plenty of users who also think your slot is town.

Another question i want you to answer regardless to you answer of part 1 is your opinion of rask. I know at some point you've fosed him, idk if that still holds true. Just wonder where you stand on that read.

Please answer this JJD

[Transcend]

I keep going back n forth on Trans. Him saying that Tommy is his #1 scumread over me just sounds like:

Lemme pick the guy who I'm more likely to get lynched

..............

there's legitimately 0 fucking momentum on this guy. no one agrees with what i have to say about him either.

[Transcend]

Ok fuck yall im triggered now, fucking inactive town
HOLY FUCK SCUMTEAM FOUND

@Trivium shut the fuck up, u tried to link me to drmy and ur trying to link me to trancend, and ur wrong fucking twice now. If you are town ud get the 'idiot town reward' RIGHT NOW

@transcend its no use really

@zach WATAFUK where in hell is your logic? I said 'i aint joining his wagon, i dont think hes scummy' but OUT OF THE THREE WAGONS HES THE LEAST TOWN, WHERE DAFUK IN FUCKING HELL IS THE CONTRADICTION

Scum team is like i breadcrumbed in one of my previous posts, take it or leave it
UNVOTE: scout
VOTE: TRIVIUM

I swear you are gonna regret lynching me.

Not gonna vote this dude, but i don't wanna vote you either. Would vote JarJar or Alpaca with you. I also want your opinion on Tommy since he just made a junkvote on you. I'd love for you to help me lynch that slot. But you haven't given any input on him.

Hey guys I haven't really been able to see the game but I'm still most interested in running up Jarjar or possible nnn_kushdude

really not interested in running up scout or lowell

Also I guarantee scum was on the lowell wagon with how quickly it built up and dissipated like a dude in manic psychosis

Good vote, good analysis of Lowell bw. He should not have been L-1'd so fast.

[Transcend]

VOTE: Tommy

If nnn gets lynched, it won't be because he quickhammered. That's NAI imo. Legitimately ONE PLAYER IN THIS GAME qh'd me because he didn't know I was at L-1.

Are you saying Kush gets a pass because he may not have known Shotty was at L-1?

Hi can I have feedback on my vote please.

I don't have a read on Lowell yet.

Zach, can you give a case on me please.

Actually, my vote is useless.

VOTE: Tommy

Explain to me, why you think that nnn's hammer is indicative of him being mafia and that it isn't just you being super opportunistic on easy town lynch.

VOTE: Tommy

VOTE: Tommy

can we see the rebirth of this really good bw? aside from myself, it had 2 slots i'm pretty sure are town.

[Tommy]

I also want your opinion on Tommy since he just made a junkvote on you.

How do you know it was a junkvote if you didn't read it?

[Transcend]

because it's you, and you're junk, and you voted. therefore, junkvote.

[Transcend]

and it wasn't just any vote, but it was my TOP TOWNREAD who I think at least one scum had already voted before your vote.

[Tommy]

AlpacaAlpaca, why do you think Scout is town?

[AlpacaAlpaca]

Sine the beginning of the game he has been trying to lead discussion as well as making good points and and asking questions that have started actual discussion, I didn't think his read list was scummy at all (though apaprently my list was scummy and shit so clearly I'm not an expert) but having the same opinion as someone isn't scummy as long as there is a reason, there has to be agreement for a wagon to even begin. What i really don't like is why people think he is scum like in post 1019 Zach thinks he is scum for something that I don't see as scummy at all, and a whole wagon even starts on it, now either me or Zach have misread it but I see it as him saying out of the three current wagons he would vote me if he had to but he doesn't think I am scummy. That isn't a contradiction, he is just saying he obvtownreads himself and he thinks lowel is town so if he was forced to he would vote me but given an option he wouldn't since I am not super scummy, he has already in the past posted his scum reads which some people ignore or forget quickly. If you actually read what he says he makes good posts but apparently a lot of people skip over parts of what he reads, example post 585 is an obvious example of JarJar not fully reading post 259, he probs only read the first sentence and was like oh Scout thinks 'if x than y' is scummy.

[JarJarDrinks]

Alpaca, you think scout is making good points? Do you agree w/ his scumreads?

[JarJarDrinks]

And please explain to me the logic here:

- Scout thinks that Lowell is town.
- Lowell is @ L-1
- Scout thinks that Myself/Zack/Triv are the scumteam and for some reason we decide to derail the Lowell wagon to switch to scout.

If you think scout is town because he's acting like terrible noob town then I'd say OK. But for you to townread him for "making good points" is ridiculous.

[JarJarDrinks]

I don't like this at all, if you can't see how getting 2 town killed is anti town than thats an issue. Unless you can guarantee (which you can't) that we will be able to lynch scum when you + someone else is dead than its pretty antitown. I also haven't liked your reaction to people posting against you, if you are town than there is no need to get mad about people thinking you're scum, you just need to explain why you're town. Apparently not being assertive is scummy so I would vote but I would be seen as scummy for voting him as well since I was on Lowell, and Shotty, but I still have more of a town lean on him so I am going to stick with not voting him and seeming scummy

In fact reading this post, it looks like you have the opposite opinion about scouts play.

[JarJarDrinks]

Like why point all this out if you're townreading him?

This post looks like you want to keep the suspicion on scout w/o actually voting for him.

[JarJarDrinks]

And please explain to me the logic here:

- Scout thinks that Lowell is town.
- Lowell is @ L-1
- Scout thinks that Myself/Zack/Triv are the scumteam and for some reason we decide to derail the Lowell wagon to switch to scout.

If you think scout is town because he's acting like terrible noob town then I'd say OK. But for you to townread him for "making good points" is ridiculous.

Here was his response btw:

Yes, because lowell is getting more active and more credible as townie. While he could be lynched, you would always go for another, less credible townie to get less problems later on. Like, transcend said hes gonna give up if im dead, so you lynch 1 of the most active townies, 1 other gives up and you can easily get rid of lowell during the night and: scum wins.

Like WTF is this shit? How could anyone think this a townie making good points?

[JarJarDrinks]

Like seriously read that people.

He says we don't want to lynch Lowell cause he's getting more active.

Then he says the reason we want to lynch scout is because he's one of the more active townies.

Like...............

[Zachstralkita]

Yes, because lowell is getting more active and more credible as townie. While he could be lynched, you would always go for another, less credible townie to get less problems later on.

Like, transcend said hes gonna give up if im dead, so you lynch 1 of the most active townies, 1 other gives up and you can easily get rid of lowell during the night and: scum wins.

Like WTF is this shit? How could anyone think this a townie making good points?

That entire statement is fabricated and false.

[Zachstralkita]

Sine the beginning of the game he has been trying to lead discussion as well as making good points and and asking questions that have started actual discussion, I didn't think his read list was scummy at all (though apaprently my list was scummy and shit so clearly I'm not an expert) but having the same opinion as someone isn't scummy as long as there is a reason, there has to be agreement for a wagon to even begin. What i really don't like is why people think he is scum like in post 1019 Zach thinks he is scum for something that I don't see as scummy at all, and a whole wagon even starts on it, now either me or Zach have misread it but I see it as him saying out of the three current wagons he would vote me if he had to but he doesn't think I am scummy. That isn't a contradiction, he is just saying he obvtownreads himself and he thinks lowel is town so if he was forced to he would vote me but given an option he wouldn't since I am not super scummy, he has already in the past posted his scum reads which some people ignore or forget quickly. If you actually read what he says he makes good posts but apparently a lot of people skip over parts of what he reads, example post 585 is an obvious example of JarJar not fully reading post 259, he probs only read the first sentence and was like oh Scout thinks 'if x than y' is scummy.

The bad part of that situation was his reasoning for it, which JarJar went into. He listed himself as one of the more likely wagons with 2+ votes(when he had one, from himself) and Kush and someone else had a vote... p sure it was Tommy

[Zachstralkita]

And please explain to me the logic here:

- Scout thinks that Lowell is town.
- Lowell is @ L-1
- Scout thinks that Myself/Zack/Triv are the scumteam and for some reason we decide to derail the Lowell wagon to switch to scout.

If you think scout is town because he's acting like terrible noob town then I'd say OK. But for you to townread him for "making good points" is ridiculous.

SOMEONE EXPLAIN THIS SHIT TO ME TOO

[JarJarDrinks]

@trans, I still scumlean rask. Not much more to say since he hasn't done anything for so long.

[Zachstralkita]

The lurking part of my case on Kush has become null now that he's actually flaked. He remains my top suspect, but it doesn't look good for getting others to join me before the replacement, so I'll give up for now.

Neither of the two current wagons is awful, and I'd also consider a Transcend lynch, but this is the best chance:

VOTE: inspectorscout

In his early reads list, all three scum reads were evasive and non-committal, but on day 1 I read him as town because of this:

And even by saying this, i fucked myself because scum now knows my line of thoughts, too, so they can adapt to what i said.

I think this is the kind of 'Aargh I'm going round and round' thought process that's hard for a newbie to fake as scum.

On the other hand, I can't believe his position on Trivium's townslip is genuine:

That thing about dunn might have been a genuine townslip, but after thinking a bit, it was just TOO obvious.

This is the most damning, I think:

i can give you a list of my stuff with opinions like 168,188,226,243,249,296 and the seemingly infamous 301.

If you go through that list, almost every opinion is either a null read or is qualified with 'I dunno, I could be wrong'. He's trying to seem like he has an opinion while actually committing himself to as little as possible.

More recently, I really like JarJar's question about why scout saw himself as a more likely lynch than other people who had a single vote on them - especially given that scout's vote was from himself. I don't think scout has given a credible answer to that.

Forgive me, but I think your votes are sorta opportunistic.

If it weren't for that other thing I brought up when you voted kush, I'd have reason to suspect you more.

[Creature]

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