Newbie #492 - GAME OVER

[Sikario8]

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[Dead Rikimaru]

Ladies and gentleman, we have an intruder in our game.

[Xaivius]

I reccommend prodding the lurkers...

with a large, pointy object.

other than that, I'm not seeing too much...

I see you have been reading old games.

yup. Seems like in every game, one should beware of two people: The loudest one and the quietest one...

[Golgi]

Greetings to all. I appologize for the seemingly lurking behavior. Family stuff sometimes gets in the way. I can assure you that I wasnt lurking and before the game is over you will wish me another family disaster. I feel it is too late for a ramdom vote and will spend my time catching up. Thanks for your patience and I am glad to be here

[Aimee]

Vote Count

charliestubbs (1) -- Dead Rikimaru
Zombie_Woof (1) -- Xaivius
somestrangeflea (1) -- Zombie_Woof

Not Voting (4) -- charliestubbs, Golgi, somestrangeflea, Golgi

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.

[Dead Rikimaru]

I reccommend prodding the lurkers...

with a large, pointy object.

other than that, I'm not seeing too much...

I see you have been reading old games.

yup. Seems like in every game, one should beware of two people: The loudest one and the quietest one...

You seem to be looking for a fix formula to find scum easily.
It's not that simple.
For example, lynch all lurkers is a common scum strategy, since the best scum can lose is a useless partner. But there is always a number of protown players they can get lynched that way before their partner is touched.

You cannot rely on the strategy by itself.
You must analyze case by case.

Mind to share what are the best games you have read and the players you liked the most?

[Dead Rikimaru]

and before the game is over you will wish me another family disaster.

I'm not sure I understood this, care to explain what did you mean?

[Xaivius]

You seem to be looking for a fix formula to find scum easily.
It's not that simple.
For example, lynch all lurkers is a common scum strategy, since the best scum can lose is a useless partner. But there is always a number of protown players they can get lynched that way before their partner is touched.

You cannot rely on the strategy by itself.
You must analyze case by case.

Mind to share what are the best games you have read and the players you liked the most?

I was merely making a generalization, in that I've seen a number of games where a scum has stayed in the shadows, usually only coming out for a game-winning hammer. It pays, in my mind, to keep an eye on anyone who seems to be lurking.

I've followed a couple games, and one of the more entertaining players I've seen is ZONEACE, mostly because he's so damn caustic, yet he tends to play well. Also tends to get OMGUSed rather often for his attitude. I'm still following Mafia 70, which has just barely hit deadline Day 1...

[Xaivius]

Also, mod, can we get an updated vote count? I unvoted in post 16, but you still have me on vote...

[Aimee]

Vote Count

charliestubbs (1) -- Dead Rikimaru
ssf (1) - Zombie_Woof

Not Voting (2) -- charliestubbs, Golgi, Variable, somestrangeflea, xaivius

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.

charliestubbs has been prodded.

[Variable]

Hrm, not much content yet.

I have a proposal: if the two mafia wouldn't mind stepping forward and announcing themselves, that'd be great. Just a simple "yeah, I'm scum." (Outing your partner as well isn't required, but it

is

encouraged.)

Thanks in advance...

[Xaivius]

Hrm, not much content yet.

I have a proposal: if the two mafia wouldn't mind stepping forward and announcing themselves, that'd be great. Just a simple "yeah, I'm scum." (Outing your partner as well isn't required, but it

is

encouraged.)

Thanks in advance...

I concur. Let's get some scum out here! Quit hiding, you rigatoni-eating kneecappers!

[Golgi]

X and V ... Hmmm I am a relatively new player here. This is my second game. There is little that I dislike more than looking stupid. So to avoid the inevitable for as long as possible I have been reading up on common scum tell. It seems that one of the most common scum tell is joking about being scum or making a joke about others being scum. It not only seems like you have nothing to say and are talking because the silence makes you nervous. I like a joke as well as the next guy but you both popping up together with a common scum tell makes the hair on the back of my neck stand up. Id like to hear from others and from X and V on why they thought it was necessary to do that at the time that they did.

[Variable]

X and V ... Hmmm I am a relatively new player here. This is my second game. There is little that I dislike more than looking stupid. So to avoid the inevitable for as long as possible I have been reading up on common scum tell. It seems that one of the most common scum tell is joking about being scum or making a joke about others being scum. It not only seems like you have nothing to say and are talking because the silence makes you nervous. I like a joke as well as the next guy but you both popping up together with a common scum tell makes the hair on the back of my neck stand up. Id like to hear from others and from X and V on why they thought it was necessary to do that at the time that they did.

What a coincidence, this is my second game too.

You got us, man, we're both scum. We actually planned those two comments before the game started. (We were supposed to do them exactly two hours apart, but I messed up and did mine two minutes too early. Sorry, scumbuddy.)



Seriously, though, please point me to this list of scum tells. It'd be handy knowing what things

not

to do whenever I actually get a role in a game that is scum.

And the problem with "talking because the silence makes you nervous" is that it's just easier to not post anything, rather than come up with something innocent-sounding.

[Xaivius]

X and V ... Hmmm I am a relatively new player here. This is my second game. There is little that I dislike more than looking stupid. So to avoid the inevitable for as long as possible I have been reading up on common scum tell. It seems that one of the most common scum tell is joking about being scum or making a joke about others being scum. It not only seems like you have nothing to say and are talking because the silence makes you nervous. I like a joke as well as the next guy but you both popping up together with a common scum tell makes the hair on the back of my neck stand up. Id like to hear from others and from X and V on why they thought it was necessary to do that at the time that they did.

You paint with a broad brush, my friend. Another common scum tell is a severe lack of activity, as the scum are "staying on the low down." However, there is no "sure-fire" tell that can identify scum, and my comments are mostly of the "smack the tree and see what falls out" vein. My suspicion has not been severely tripped yet, so thusly I'm on a bit of a bored kick. I have a bit of trepidation about firing off a nomination, as there has been little to no activity.

Your approach is informed, but seems to be unusually defensive for town play.

FOS: GOLGI

[Zombie_Woof]

Unvote

Vote: Variable

Reason why I changed my vote...

"yeah, I'm scum."

[somestrangeflea]

Joking about one's own scumminess

is

a scumtell. Town are generally less flexible regarding their own alignment...

Vote: Variable

[Variable]

Unvote

Vote: Variable

Reason why I changed my vote...

"yeah, I'm scum."

You know, I thought about that while I was typing, that someone would interpret that as me claiming scum.

FoS: somestrangeflea

.

Zombie's new. What's your excuse?

[somestrangeflea]

Joking about one's own scumminess

is

a scumtell. Town are generally less flexible regarding their own alignment...

[Variable]

OK, now

I'll

make one up.

Quoting oneself is a scumtell.

[somestrangeflea]

OK, now

I'll

make one up.

Quoting oneself is a scumtell.

See, you're starting to get it now. Just remove the sarcasm and you'll be fine!

The thing about scumtells is that there is no hard "List of Scumtells" to use. You have to look at someone's actions and ask yourself "Would scum be more likely to do that than a Townie, and why/why not?" Making up scumtells as you go along is a good Town tactic, providing that you can back them up with actual reasoning.

[Variable]

OK, now

I'll

make one up.

Quoting oneself is a scumtell.

See, you're starting to get it now. Just remove the sarcasm and you'll be fine!

The thing about scumtells is that there is no hard "List of Scumtells" to use. You have to look at someone's actions and ask yourself "Would scum be more likely to do that than a Townie, and why/why not?" Making up scumtells as you go along is a good Town tactic, providing that you can back them up with actual reasoning.

Read post 38. I thought it was quite clear that there was no "list" of tells, but was asking for one to make that point. Regardless, you should have directed this comment at 37.

Making up scumtells, with or without reasoning behind them, is actually a good way to get the game lost for the town, as it gives players an excuse to vote for someone they

want

to be scum.

Everybody

does something in a game that some mafia in some game has done at one point or another.

Bad advice, flea. I especially find your backpedaling on this annoying. (Going from agreeing with Golgi by voting for me, then attempting to turn it into a lesson on tells? What?)

[Zombie_Woof]

Variable, you're looking pretty suspicious. You establish that quoting oneself is a scumtell, and then you quote yourself!!

Seriously, though, for now I'm going to

Unvote

[Variable]

Variable, you're looking pretty suspicious. You establish that quoting oneself is a scumtell, and then you quote yourself!!

Seriously, though, for now I'm going to

Unvote

Claim =/= Establish

You completely missed the point of my post.

[Zombie_Woof]

Variable, you're looking pretty suspicious. You establish that quoting oneself is a scumtell, and then you quote yourself!!

Seriously, though, for now I'm going to

Unvote

Claim =/= Establish

You completely missed the point of my post.

You completely missed my use of the word 'seriously'. It indicates that in the information following it, I am intending to be

more

serious than I was in the statement preceding it. Hence, when I said "Variable, you're looking pretty suspicious. You establish that quoting oneself is a scumtell, and then you quote yourself!!", I was not really being serious. But you can only tell that if you read the post and notice 'seriously' being used this way, so I can see where there might be confusion. Hope that clears it up.