New York 195: Adventure Mafia - Game over!

[zakk]

VOTE: shotty

If and when shotty flips scum, we can lynch his partner, zakk.

You are aware there's a wagon on Zakk?

I am half aware there is a wagon.

But right now I just feel that's

it's more of a pressure wagon that will probably disintegrate.

I however feel shotty Is the best wagon that will paint a picture better than zakk.

On the off chance zakk is town

then it is obviously pointing harder towards shotty but we can't afford to drop numbers over night.

bolded is relevant


1. so you're only "

half

" aware there's a wagon on me
BUT
you also are able to classify it as a "

pressure wagon that will probably disintegrate

"?

sounds like you're a bit more than half aware. scummy.


2. "on the off chance that zakk is town"

soooo you think it's likely i'm scum

but you're not voting me?

[cytheflyguy]

Yes, I am. Why should I believe you?

there is literally no reason to trust me. but you should anyway.

as far as me being pro-town that should pretty much speak for itself. i protect the people i have town reads on and i try to lynch the people i think are scummy.

i kinda disregarded you as spam in the first few days of the game, and didn't really look back.

after i had to reshuffle things you came out pretty scummy because you're kinda hanging on the periphery, not being a heavyweight like me and titus and ETL and such, but still making a lot of posts and a lot of noise (which is something i do as scum)

ugh this was a town response!
VOTE: titus if it wasn't there.

Ok fine let's join together and lynch titus

Ok so I'm guessing these two are a scum team?

Because we both want to lynch titus?

Tbf I am the one who started this wagon. Jussayn.

[cytheflyguy]

How is Cy not scummy as hell to you? If I felt like a vote on them wouldn't effectively be a wasted vote because for some reason nobody is voting that, I'd be all over them.

I am not scum.

I mean, I have not proved otherwise, but I'm still not scum hmph.

[Shaziro]

Then it is beneficial to your win condition to prove you are town. It is beneficial to -everyone here- to prove that they are town, which is why saying "nah I don't wanna" is scummy.

[cytheflyguy]

Ok, doe, as of NOW I am going to try to take this game seriously lol.

I only have one real reason why I'm voting Titus, but I feel it's an important one: She is too much in a leadership position for two people to be killed by non town to kill her. The only way I can reasonably see that she is town is if someone attacked her, but they were either roleblocked, she had a bulletproof vest on, or the doctor healed her.

Edit @Shaziro Ye, Ik. That is what I'm doing now! NYEH HEH HEH

[Shaziro]

I'm not here to defend Titus, but I have reason to believe that isn't a concern, Cy.

[zakk]

too many VIs

[zakk]

Also yes shotty I accept your offer

Vote: Titus

"Hey, at least she's better than trump"

I'm getting v tired of this game
V annoyed at 4 deaths and no scum flips

[Shaziro]

Also yes shotty I accept your offer

Vote: Titus

"Hey, at least she's better than trump"

I'm getting v tired of this game
V annoyed at 4 deaths and no scum flips

This seems like an appeal to emotion, trying to get people to play you way. If you are genuinely not having fun, I'm sorry you aren't having fun.

[zakk]

No I'm having fun it's just exhausting caring about this game so much

I'll probably post less

[Liger_Zero]

I don't see where this wagon is coming from but I don't agree with it.
I will be here to discuss more on Sunday.

[copper223]

I am working on a big post and it's looking promising, it relies on Ircher being shittown and Titus being set-up today (I will do the analysis for the opposite case as well), all I can say if this is the world we are in is that Anen. is a god and Nahdia is about to get pwned

[copper223]

Have to take a brake cause it's a boring process and I am trying to work as well, but (some of this relies on the assumption about Ircher and Titus):

Magna is likely scum, he has voted only town players including all three top wagons yesterday, the theory that there is one in the hood is also still the most likely and scum are peddling it probably to look smart because they know it's the case, right Nos? His push on me yesterday coordinates well with what his likely buddies were doing.

Nahdia is likely scum, she has kept the same scum reads since the start of the game, she pushed the Ircher wagon, my early crap wagon, dropped in to lynch Persi again and Anen is right that her PM read is a likely buddy read (high five if you were right). There are strong signs of coordination with Nosferatu as well and of taking advantage of and setting up Titus.

Nosferatu is likely scum, she jumped on my early crap wagon, which Titus kindly provided, then voted for the Kop_slot (whom I am now assuming is a worse version of KTS), did her best to get Persi lynched without voting him cause otherwise it would have been a scum-pile (that knowing he would be lynched is a likely slip, she knew her teammates could hammer), her coordinated push with Nahdia today on Anen. is another sign that they are working together (one fills the list for the other when manipulating Titus after all).

Project Matt is likely scum, I was fooled by the sensible position he took on my crap wagon, but he "promised" to keep an eye on it when Titus once again gave him an excuse to jump on it, which I now think is code for: I am not going to commit now cause my teammates are already on it, but if it starts to look juicy I'll jump. The rest of his agenda is pretty helpful to scum as the big post will highlight.

For the fifth I am going with Egg, hard defense of Magma equating him to Persi in a clear TvT (pretty scummy if Magna is scum as I expect), he is positioned to jump on copper, which again matches up well with what the other suspects are doing, but doesn't really want to cause that would compromise Magna, while pushing the much safer and defensible reads on shit/new-town (Ircher, Kop and Shaz). Still have to check his position on Anen.

VOTE: Magna

[Expedience]

brb

could you claim that hood you slipped way back when? It's bothering me now.

You're either dumb or scum pretending to be dumb.

[Expedience]

i just noticed that both shotty and titus are trying to paint me as scum with the other one

like really guys let me help you distance from each other harder

Are you saying they're both scum?

[Expedience]

VOTE: shotty

If and when shotty flips scum, we can lynch his partner, zakk.

This narrative is fucking abhorrent and you absolutely cannot believe this.

Shaziro and Titus are different.

VOTE: Kop

[Expedience]

Couldn't decide if it was a bus, scum trying to find a potential other scum team, or scum on town. Fair enough, but I'm gonna leave a heavy

Finger of Suspicion: Nosferatu

for now.

VOTE: Zakk

hello scum

The guy underneath him? This guy is just new and impressionable to believe what titus said, might be scum regardless

[Expedience]

Couldn't decide if it was a bus, scum trying to find a potential other scum team, or scum on town. Fair enough, but I'm gonna leave a heavy

Finger of Suspicion: Nosferatu

for now.

VOTE: Zakk

hello scum

Yes, this is good, vote Kop instead of zakk. I don't know what zakk is honestly but he's not as likely to be scum.

[copper223]

Vote Tally Table

	Anen	Cythefly	Egg	Expe	Ircher	Kop	Liger	Lowell	Magna	Nahdia	Nos	PMatt	Shaz	Shotty	Titus	Zakk
1	Kop	Ircher	Ircher	Copper	Shaz	Copper	Zakk	Zakk	Liger	Ircher	Copper	TBG	Magna	Magna	Copper	Ircher
2	TGB	Titus	Kop	KTS	Shotty	Cythefly	Persi	TBG	TBG	Copper	Kop	Cythefly	Cythefly	Ircher	Shotty	Ircher
3	Nos	TGB	KTS	Kop	Copper	KTS	No Vote	Magna	KTS	Anen	-	Kop	Persi	Titus	Cythefly	Cythefly
4	-	Persi	-	Persi	Kop	Shotty	-	Shaz	TBG	Persi	-	Anen	Persi	Ircher	TBG	ETL
5	-	Titus	-	Nahdia	Nos	-	-	Anen	Persi	Copper	-	Persi	Nos	Titus	Persi	Titus
6	-	-	-	Persi	Cythefly	-	-	Persi	-	Anen	-	Anen	Zakk	Ircher	Persi	Persi
7	-	-	-	-	TBG	-	-	Zakk	-	-	-	-	-	Kop	Zakk	KTS
8	-	-	-	-	Persi	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	Egg	-	Persi
9	-	-	-	-	Shotty	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	Zack	-	Titus
10	-	-	-	-	Shaz	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	Pers	-	Lowell
11	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	TBG	-	Titus
12	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	KTS	-	-
13	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	Titus	-	-
14	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	Zakk	-	-
15	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	Titus	-	-

[copper223]

What the votes say, assuming Titus is having a bad game and being used as a battering ram to take the heat, by scum:

Anen: town getting pushed by scum.

Cythefly: bad town being spoon-fed by scum and lapping it up, or scum being very brazen under the cover of being a newbie.

Egg: see previous post, likely scum. @Titus why no early scumread on Egg?

Expe: Town not having a fun time.

Ircher: omgus or vote on the biggest wagons is the pattern that emerges here, this is such a terrible pattern you should be ashamed if you are town, and in this world you are.

Liger: town newbie.

Magna: follows Titus on Copper (whitout a vote) under the cover of clearing his PT, but then doesn't have anything to ask in said PT, follows Titus (and PM) on TBG, which is consistent with the initial hypothesis, the votes are both bad and very opportunistic.

Nahdia: Scum with Nos PM and Magna, taking advantage of Titus whom she pockets early with a town-lean. Particularly worrisome are her discarding her early Magna read for no reason (finished distancing) when Titus asked her for further names, her coordination with Nosferatu (push on me, push on Anen, Nos was likely positioning herself to go on Ircher with Nahdia as well with that stats post) and her read switch on Anen (PM also switches and the reason he gives is pretty weak, he liked a lot of Anen's early posting but now he looks weaker).

Nos: see pre-post read.

PMatt: Other than what mentioned with other players, very early town read on both Titus and Ircher (consistent with the scum strategy hypothesized here).

Shaz: new-town doing his own thing.

Shotty: In this world he is more likely duped town than scum, the emphasis on wanting to lynch Ircher/Titus with a vengeance while compromising if the game state requires it makes his reads likely genuine (and crap).

Titus: town by definition in this world.

Zakk: Like shotty his reads in this world are garbage but genuine in the way he is pushing, he also has solo votes on slots that nobody is even looking at and where is the support from his supposed teammates in that or why is he picking fights with lowell and ETL when he already is against Titus & co, more so than Shotty this here is misguided town.

[copper223]

I'll do the opposite where Titus is brazen scum later, I need some hours to break out of the mindset I am in now cause at the moment this world seems so likely I'd just confbias the shit out of every read.

[SirCakez]

Votecount 2.2

CN Tower in Canada!

zakk (4) - Lowell, Titus, Shaziro, Ircher
Titus (3) - cytheflyguy, drmyshottyizsik, zakk
Aneninen (2) - projectmatt, Nahdia
Nosferatu (1) - Aneninen
MagnaOfIllusion (1) - copper223
drmyshottyizsik (1) - Kop
Kop (1) - Expedience

Not voting (4) - Liger_zero, MagnaOfIllusion, Egg, Nosferatu

With 17 alive, it takes 9 votes to lynch someone.

(expired on 2016-06-21 09:44:00) remain until day end.

MagnaOfIllusion is V/LA until June 11.

[Lowell]

@kop, I still don't understand this. You say shotty and zakk are both scum, but we should vote shotty (over the existing wagon, zakk). Then you say "on the offchance zakk is town" it points to shotty being scum.

So, shotty is scum either way, then, and zakk has nothing to do with it? If so, why bring up zakk at all?

[Ircher]

Vote Tally Table

	Anen	Cythefly	Egg	Expe	Ircher	Kop	Liger	Lowell	Magna	Nahdia	Nos	PMatt	Shaz	Shotty	Titus	Zakk
1	Kop	Ircher	Ircher	Copper	Shaz	Copper	Zakk	Zakk	Liger	Ircher	Copper	TBG	Magna	Magna	Copper	Ircher
2	TGB	Titus	Kop	KTS	Shotty	Cythefly	Persi	TBG	TBG	Copper	Kop	Cythefly	Cythefly	Ircher	Shotty	Ircher
3	Nos	TGB	KTS	Kop	Copper	KTS	No Vote	Magna	KTS	Anen	-	Kop	Persi	Titus	Cythefly	Cythefly
4	-	Persi	-	Persi	Kop	Shotty	-	Shaz	TBG	Persi	-	Anen	Persi	Ircher	TBG	ETL
5	-	Titus	-	Nahdia	Nos	-	-	Anen	Persi	Copper	-	Persi	Nos	Titus	Persi	Titus
6	-	-	-	Persi	Cythefly	-	-	Persi	-	Anen	-	Anen	Zakk	Ircher	Persi	Persi
7	-	-	-	-	TBG	-	-	Zakk	-	-	-	-	-	Kop	Zakk	KTS
8	-	-	-	-	Persi	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	Egg	-	Persi
9	-	-	-	-	Shotty	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	Zack	-	Titus
10	-	-	-	-	Shaz	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	Pers	-	Lowell
11	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	TBG	-	Titus
12	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	KTS	-	-
13	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	Titus	-	-
14	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	Zakk	-	-
15	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	Titus	-	-

Can you break it up into two different tables? Mobile players cant read all of it.

[Ircher]

What the votes say, assuming Titus is having a bad game and being used as a battering ram to take the heat, by scum:

Anen: town getting pushed by scum.

Cythefly: bad town being spoon-fed by scum and lapping it up, or scum being very brazen under the cover of being a newbie.

Egg: see previous post, likely scum. @Titus why no early scumread on Egg?

Expe: Town not having a fun time.

Ircher: omgus or vote on the biggest wagons is the pattern that emerges here, this is such a terrible pattern you should be ashamed if you are town, and in this world you are.

Liger: town newbie.

Magna: follows Titus on Copper (whitout a vote) under the cover of clearing his PT, but then doesn't have anything to ask in said PT, follows Titus (and PM) on TBG, which is consistent with the initial hypothesis, the votes are both bad and very opportunistic.

Nahdia: Scum with Nos PM and Magna, taking advantage of Titus whom she pockets early with a town-lean. Particularly worrisome are her discarding her early Magna read for no reason (finished distancing) when Titus asked her for further names, her coordination with Nosferatu (push on me, push on Anen, Nos was likely positioning herself to go on Ircher with Nahdia as well with that stats post) and her read switch on Anen (PM also switches and the reason he gives is pretty weak, he liked a lot of Anen's early posting but now he looks weaker).

Nos: see pre-post read.

PMatt: Other than what mentioned with other players, very early town read on both Titus and Ircher (consistent with the scum strategy hypothesized here).

Shaz: new-town doing his own thing.

Shotty: In this world he is more likely duped town than scum, the emphasis on wanting to lynch Ircher/Titus with a vengeance while compromising if the game state requires it makes his reads likely genuine (and crap).

Titus: town by definition in this world.

Zakk: Like shotty his reads in this world are garbage but genuine in the way he is pushing, he also has solo votes on slots that nobody is even looking at and where is the support from his supposed teammates in that or why is he picking fights with lowell and ETL when he already is against Titus & co, more so than Shotty this here is misguided town.

Shotty's reads on me and Titus do not feel at all genuine.

Shotty literallly tries to find anything to throw dirt or shade at us, yet you find that genuine?