Mini 506: The Siena Syndicate - Game Over!

[Gorrad]

EBWOP: Clarification- I meant your scumtells, as in the reasons I didn't like your posts, not scumtells against me.

[Peers]

[quote="Glork"]Argh, I meant 'as scum.' [/quote

Okay, then my answer is "I don't know." There's a reason I'm not currently votingg for him, and that is a) I don't have reason to think he's scum and b) I have no idea who his partner would be. With my current vote, I'm slightly more sure of a).

[Xdaamno]

Page 11 Votecount Updated

Avinyl: 2

(Peers, Cynic Clinic)

clockwork: 2

(ChronX, Glork)

Peers: 1

(Avinyl)

Not Voting: 5

(Gorrad, ChannelDelibird, White, Hadhfang, clockwork)

Player List: Hadhfang, clockwork, ChannelDelibird, Cynic Clinic, Avinyl, Glrok, Gorrad, Peers, White, ChronX.

Six (6) to lynch.

[Xdaamno]

ooba replaces Hadhfang, effective immediately.

[ooba]

Hi guys .. I'm replacing Hadhfang .. Ill read the thread tonight and post what i think tom ..

[Xdaamno]

White will be V/LA this weekend and next week, so I'll start hunting for a (possibly temporary) replacement.

[Xdaamno]

Oman replaces White, effective immediately.

Mod: He's going to bed, and will post in the morning.

[Peers]

Even if the two replacements vote, we're still at least one vote away. We need some more thought/action from those who haven't voted, I think.

[Gorrad]

It's only page 11, there's no rush to end d1 yet. But, as you wish,

Vote: Peers

for trying to rush things so early.

[Peers]

... WTF?

[clockwork]

It's only page 11, there's no rush to end d1 yet. But, as you wish,

Vote: Peers

for trying to rush things so early.

I don't know where to begin. Calling for more activity from the reticent/lurky players isn't a scumtell. Fearing "rushing" in this game is asinine anyway -- have you not noticed how slowly things have been happening? The mod's been forced to set a deadline, CDB hasn't posted in 8 days, White just replaced out... All Peers did was make a small effort to stir the pot and

this

is how you react?

Before now I was willing to overlook your poorly thought out suspicions because you replaced VampanezeHunter and I was pretty sure he was just a slightly-inept townie. But this is too irrational. I don't think you're following through on that promise you made in post #249.

FoS: Gorrad.

We're on D2, BTW.

[Gorrad]

We are? Oh we ARE! It's quick to me, and that's what I've felt. If I had been in as long as y'all, I'd probably not have voted there, and would have sympathised with how long y'all have played. But, to me, it's a new game.

[Peers]

We are? Oh we ARE! It's quick to me, and that's what I've felt. If I had been in as long as y'all, I'd probably not have voted there, and would have sympathised with how long y'all have played. But, to me, it's a new game.

In that case, I'd appreciate an unvote...

[Gorrad]

Doh!

Unvote

[Peers]

Much obliged! I really do prefer not ot voted for unless I do something to deserve it first.

[Oman]

Tag me in. Re-reading today.

[Oman]

Oman's Huge 11 Page Reread Thing That You Should Probably Read, Even If You Only Read Your Own Things, And Maybe Whoever You're Voting.

ooba/Hadhafang

Assuming that there is a doc and an SK or Vig, that's 3 roles for town, but a cop would take that up to 4 roles,

You're counting the SK as a town role in all your calcs.

End: Maybe SK...I dunno

clockwork

Votes Orig Post 74. Best move that could've been made considering.

Regardless of what ChronX says, the busdriver suggestion was a good one.

End: Town The wagon's on him are crap

CDb

117 is fantastic. I'm not a fan of some of the stuff said. But overall Townie Brownies for you.

166 is ANOTHER big post, and I don't feel you slip up in either of them, which leads me to think you have nothing to slip up over.

End: Town due to failure to find anything scummy espeically in his huge posts

Cynic Clinic

I'm Not Normally this.....unsure, but your vote for Avinyl could be you trying to get a wagon going. I'm going to say you found the same things I did, though.

Put orig at L-1. bad!

"Put our effort" just sounds like you NEED to lynch somebody without risk of worrying if it's a pro-town player or whatever

This is bullshit.

End: Town, but only by elimination. Re: whitey's nutbag work: I must say I have no idea wtf Whitey was going on about. I'm sorry that my replaceee is so damn white

Avinyl

I'm always suspicious of people who start a game close together in time, so don't take it personally. It is compounded by the fact that you voted ChronX for your random vote.

FoSes ChronX in a whole heap of others along with a bloody stupid reason for the FoS on white, which makes me feel like you were trying to add bulk.

I don't think my reasons for voting are strange. My only real suspicions was Green Day, who was scum, and Originality. I am not very suspicious of Cynic Clinc, which is why i only gave him a minor FoS.

this is bull. You FoSed many people, including whitey/me. You're trying to lend credibility to your argument.

2. VampanezeHunter for actively lurking

AVINYL+VAMP?!?!

End: Scum Buddies: ChronX

Glrok / tyhess

I actually dont think that peers comment was that scum like. Most likely he is right and it was one of those 2 situations that led to the death of Green Day

Thats it. No, seriously!?!

Well the SK (assuming there is one) could be thinking along the same lines and have decided to kill Green Day becuase noone would think that he would kill him right after he was voted for/voted for Green Day.....

Interesting, who is he accusing here?

Glork does some scumhunting straight up, not focusing on one or two. Townie Brownies.

Peers: If Gorrad were killed (dayvigged, modkilled, whatever) as town right now, who would you find most likely to be his scumbuddy? Why?

I'm willing to accept a "that was a mistake" thing, but if Glork is scum, Gorrad is town.

End: Town

Gorrad/Vamp

Clockwork suspects ChronX, if Gorrad comes up scum, ChronX looks very bad for this reason:

Clockwork- Seems to be town IMO. Mainly because he seems to be quite good a scumhunting!

I.e. Vamp would KNOW ChronX is scum and hence says that clockwork is good.

@Peers-My "I don't like because they lurk" was a quick list. I will have a better one soon!

I assume after he rereads the thread.

End: scum. Though mostly because of how he ties in with the others

Peers

I've gotten more out of this one page than I expected to. It's not stuff that'll help now, but certainly stuff that'll help later on.

Did this ever get revealed?

He'd already claimed twice; I don't think we would have believed him. That, or he'd've done it in a way that continued to make him look like a douche, and we'd've dropped him anyway.

This man speaks truthery.

Votes Avinyl (post 44)

End: I'm gonna say town, only because everyone thats voted for him has had very poor reasons IMO. A lot of the "scum" (those that i feel to be scum) have been after him.

Oman/Whitey

Obv Town

ChronX

I'm always suspicious of people who start a game close together in time, so don't take it personally. It is compounded by the fact that Avinyl voted you for his random vote.

First to really wagon in 26. I'm gonna give town tics for that.

In 34 he abandons the Origwagon for something he admits is not scummy (just not fun). Why drop a wagon so few posts after?

Votes Avinyl (post 41) after a really scummy post with some good gear.

Hammered before claim.

Post 95 explaining the hammer sucks so bad. Scummy!

ChronX lists Greenday on his set of supicious people. I don't know who killed Greenday, but he certainly wasn't on my Scumdar D1. For this reason, I think ChronX tried to put both his buddies in that post.

FoS: Vamp FoS: Avinyl

In that same post, you say white is suspicious for not reliving pressure on orig. YOU HAMMERED HIM!

Post 125 on Clockwork is complete crap. You're not even trying. You "translate" a few posts that were pretty clear cut. Phail.

I haven't encountered a "bus driver" role or any role similarly peculiar in a game with fewer than 20 people

I haven't encountered you not being a woman, that doesn't mean it doesn't happen. Oh, and number two in your list is crap.

unvote

I'm not sold that VH is scum,

Scummbuddies!!!

vote clockwork

He seems to want to find the popular wagons to hide in.

2 votes is hardly a popular wagon. Edit: Clockwork says the same thing the next post

End: Scum Buddies: Vamp/Avinyl

Oman's Conclusion:

My scum pairs are some combination or permiation of ChronX, Avinly, and Vamp.

Oman's Action

Vote: ChronX

[Oman]

I forgot to close an underline somewhere.

Hope its still readable.

[Peers]

Wow, that's.... in-depth. I find myself agreeing with most of it, but I have one question.

You list both ChronX and Avinyl on your scumlist. Avinyl has two votes on him already, ChronX has none, so you vote for... one of the two on your list who have no votes.

Given that it will be harder to lynch ChronX than Avinyl, why vote the way you did?

[Gorrad]

overall, good list, a lot better and more thorough than mine.

[Oman]

Peers: My scumpairs (given greenday's death) are Vamp+ChronX or Avinyl+ChronX. I sorta prefer Avinyl over vamp, but ChronX being in both means there is more chance of success.

Pending their reactions to my post, I may find myself changing.

[ooba]

I've just read through the entire 11 page discussion and will probably have to see individual posts again to get a more concrete read (My first game as replacement so bear with me) .. But before all that ..

Hadhfang did not contribute much to the game and i felt he did the town a disservice by not doing this earlier (page 1 even) ..

Role Claim : I am a

miller

, pro town misunderstood guy ..

[Peers]

Oman: A post earlier in the game suggested that 'standard' scum setups for a 12-person game are 2 pairs of 2 scum, or 1 set of 3 scum and an SK. Does your thinking change any if you consider there may not be a 'scumpair' but a 'scumtrio'?

[Oman]

Well, Firstly, ooba: WHY!?!


Secondly, standard setups that I've found are two mafia and an SK, or three mafia.

I think there is three mafia in this game, maybe a vig/SK, but I have nothing to base it on.

Also, you're forgetting we already have one mafia dead.

[ooba]

Well, Firstly, ooba: WHY!?!

My role has the potential to lose the game for town especially in the Endgame .. So i thought full disclosure was best .. And i did it right now because it has credibility only when its done upfront ..