New York 195: Adventure Mafia - Game over!

[EspeciallyTheLies]

no. I'd prefer cy or ircher. kts is a better vig target. that's what vig is for. too often people think they know better when they get the role instead of taking out the garbage.

[EspeciallyTheLies]

kts' wagon would be useless for analysis.

[Ircher]

What I mean is that KTS is being super useless, and even if he flips scum, we get no associatives from him. We'd get more regardless of alignment from Pers. Not to mention, if a vig exists, they should vig KTS without a doubt. Finally, it's gonna be hard to switch all these voters before deadline. If we had more time, I'd take a different stance, but we don't.

[Ircher]

no. I'd prefer cy or ircher. kts is a better vig target. that's what vig is for. too often people think they know better when they get the role instead of taking out the garbage.

I like how you guys keep flopping back and forth on your reads on me. One instance, I'm newbietown. The next instant, I'm conf!scum, and so on.

[TehBrawlGuy]

Nonsense. A KTS wagon has a lot to analyze. If he flips scum we can look at who was reticent to join, and if he's town we can take a look at who pushed it.

[Shaziro]

So since you're pushing it, are you saying that if he flips town then you are likely scum?

[TehBrawlGuy]

Obviously I know I'm not, but yeah, from a neutral perspective, if KTS is Town that doesn't reflect well on egg/kop/me, especially if Pers is Scum. I don't think my reads are that far off though.

[Ircher]

Nonsense. A KTS wagon has a lot to analyze. If he flips scum we can look at who was reticent to join, and if he's town we can take a look at who pushed it.

But, the same can be said for just about any wagon. Content-wise, KTS has done nothing. I'd support a PL except I'd think it be a waste right now.

[TehBrawlGuy]

Nonsense. A KTS wagon has a lot to analyze. If he flips scum we can look at who was reticent to join, and if he's town we can take a look at who pushed it.

But, the same can be said for just about any wagon. Content-wise, KTS has done nothing. I'd support a PL except I'd think it be a waste right now.

He's been active, so damn near everyone's taken a stance on him at some point. That can't be said for "just about any wagon", even if his content is garbage.

[Ircher]

Pers has been fairly active too. And not really, more like prodging and engaging in petty arguments with other players that don't tell anything.

[zakk]

Whoever jumped on cy get back on pers, this is ridiculous

Obv there is opposition to his wagon

Pretty sure the jumpers all went to KTS

yeah that's what i meant. i was just reading ETL's post about cy and said the wrong one cause brain fart

[Shaziro]

Obviously I know I'm not, but yeah, from a neutral perspective, if KTS is Town that doesn't reflect well on egg/kop/me, especially if Pers is Scum. I don't think my reads are that far off though.

I like this response for town. Very level-headed and reasonable. I don't agree that we should do a KTS wagon, as I really do feel like Pers is scummy. I'm getting townvibes here though.

[zakk]

TBG feels even townier now. Shaziro seems pretty town as well.

[EspeciallyTheLies]

spam != active or content. a player with a lot of interactions and reads and arguments is a lot better than someone who posts a bunch of trolling moronic bullshit.

[Expedience]

UNVIG: Nahdia

VIG: Killthestory

Hammer Persivul.

[TehBrawlGuy]

It is strange to me that Pers's wagon took off like a rocket over mine, and he has been at L-1 or L-2 so much, while KTS wagon has all the makings of a solid flashwagon but won't go. If we think KTS should die by vig anyway, we gain a lot more info by moving wagons and then having Pers die in the night instead.

pedit: I don't think we gain any associatives from KTS-->People, but I do think we gain them from People-->KTS. His spammy bullshit was just that, but by being in the thread frequently,

other players

had to comment on him.

[EspeciallyTheLies]

It is strange to me that Pers's wagon took off like a rocket over mine, and he has been at L-1 or L-2 so much, while KTS wagon has all the makings of a solid flashwagon but won't go. If we think KTS should die by vig anyway, we gain a lot more info by moving wagons and then having Pers die in the night instead.

pedit: I don't think we gain any associatives from KTS-->People, but I do think we gain them from People-->KTS. His spammy bullshit was just that, but by being in the thread frequently,

other players

had to comment on him.

we don't. it's easy to say "that person is garbage". it's not alignment indicative at all and any scum team with him on it wouldn't touch defending him with a 1000 foot pole. he's a liability to either team. nothing about lynching him helps us. You're not understanding why a vigging is better.

[EspeciallyTheLies]

scum have to make an effort to look like town while accomplishing their objectives undetected. it takes no effort to make null moves like voting kts.

[EspeciallyTheLies]

or any other VI the invariably seems to make their way into every single game. it's the "safe" vote for scum. but a VI attracts votes from townies too for being such an annoyance, Nd there's no way to tell the difference because it doesn't take any effort to push that.

[EspeciallyTheLies]

which is why you lynch for high information instead of some POilcy lynch when faced with no other viable options. ESPECIlly on day one.

[Ircher]

So, in other words, we should lynch Pers unless someone has a much better, non-VI/PL target for D1.

[EspeciallyTheLies]

So, in other words, we should lynch Pers unless someone has a much better, non-VI/PL target for D1.

yes unfortunately. I've lost faith in this lynch but as of right this moment it's all we have.

[Killthestory]

v\k n a i

watch all my reads be right dude, like holy shit im a god

[Expedience]

v\k n a i

???

[Shaziro]

v\k n a i

???

For real, what the hell is this? I know Cryptography is not allowed.