Open 19 - Nightless (Over?) before 430

Guardian · Post Post #1800 (ISO) » Thu Oct 18, 2007 6:37 am

IH wrote:How about your thoughts on people assuming I was scum, and assuming I was town.

I've made this really clear, but for the sake of... whatever.

IH = scum
Me = town
Elias = very likely town
Vitr = prob town
Skruffs = less town
Tony = even less
Thok = even more less

But if IH is scum and we lynch him today, no way in hell we lose. No way. I am town, and I'm pretty sure that both Elias and Vitr are town. So it is kind of pointless for me to discuss in depth scenario if IH is scum -- we have only one scum left then.

OTOH

IH = town
Me = town
Elias = very likely town
Vitr = prob town, but dubious IH interactions.
Thok = scummy, but good IH interactions
Skruffs = less townlike than the above
Tony = very likely scum

But I am confident IH is scum. So it is equally meaningless to discuss this; I don't think it will come up.

TonyMoonshine · Post Post #1801 (ISO) » Thu Oct 18, 2007 7:10 am

Skruffs wrote:Tony - You were assumign you would be hammered, when you gave out the "If I die here's my list" type of thing, which you didn't give out because you thought it would help the scum(?). Based on who was on your wagon at that point, and who wasn't, who did you feel was going to hammer you?

I was up against a deadline not a hammer. So, to answer your question, I wasn't thinking about who was going to hammer.

TonyMoonshine · Post Post #1802 (ISO) » Thu Oct 18, 2007 7:14 am

Do people think Guardian has been town-helpful ? Meaning has he been helpful to the town without helping himself.

I'd like player's thoughts on this.

Elias_the_thief · Post Post #1803 (ISO) » Thu Oct 18, 2007 8:46 am

TonyMoonshine wrote:Do people think Guardian has been town-helpful ? Meaning has he been helpful to the town without helping himself.

I'd like player's thoughts on this.

Not really. Mainly he's been telling us to lynch IH without discussing others. However, I have been a chronic lurker so I'm not in much of a position to judge.

As a sidenote, I'm still lost in this game.

IH · Post Post #1804 (ISO) » Thu Oct 18, 2007 11:31 am

So how does me being scum make you auto town?

What if I'm town? Also your statements about "If IH is town, and it's a very very slim if" are obnoxious and make me sick. They were kinda witty the first time. The next 40 weren't.

Simenon · Post Post #1805 (ISO) » Thu Oct 18, 2007 11:46 am

Vote Count

IH (2)- VitaminR, Guardian
VitaminR (1)- Skruffs
Skruffs (1)- IH

Skruffs · Post Post #1806 (ISO) » Thu Oct 18, 2007 1:02 pm

I fOrget why both ih andguardian have me as scummier than vitr. Ih is voting me, for considering t vote him, when vitr not only is voting him today but intentionally avoided weighing in on his n lynch theday before.

Someone needs to compare guardian's list today with his list day 3. I know he has the exact same 'title' for at least 3 of the players. If it's all of them, then he has appparently not let something as minute as 4 game days affect his stance on. The game.

Posted while going 86 east on 84 YEEHAW

Thok · Post Post #1807 (ISO) » Thu Oct 18, 2007 8:24 pm

Doing some reread stuff.

Post 174 by VitR is notable; some pressure was building up on Romanus at the time (via Skruffs and BM), and 174 feels like VitR is trying to move the pressure back on Occult (and he basically avoids discussing the issues that were building up on Romanus).

Actually, looking at VitR's posts he very rarely mentions Romanus at all, especially at times when I'd suspect protown players to look at him. (For example when the whole Guardian proposes his plan/Romanus attacks him, a lot of people go after Romanus, but VitR wasn't around and doesn't actually say anything about those two incidents when he starts posting again.)

(Note both Elias and Aimee discuss this idea on page 28, and it somehow was dropped.)

VitaminR · Post Post #1808 (ISO) » Thu Oct 18, 2007 8:27 pm

Thok wrote:Actually, looking at VitR's posts he very rarely mentions Romanus at all, especially at times when I'd suspect protown players to look at him. (For example when the whole Guardian proposes his plan/Romanus attacks him, a lot of people go after Romanus, but VitR wasn't around and doesn't actually say anything about those two incidents when he starts posting again.)

I think I actually posted something agreeing with Romanus there, but I agree that I had a bit of blind spot concerning him.

Elias_the_thief · Post Post #1809 (ISO) » Fri Oct 19, 2007 3:59 pm

Thok wrote: (Note both Elias and Aimee discuss this idea on page 28, and it somehow was dropped.)

[going off on a tangent hoping to explain my absense from the game]
This is mainly because I mostly dropped this game entirely. With a nightless game, there is so much more discussion involved that everyone has inconsistencies, everyone makes slipups, but I'm really lost as to who is scum. Really, I could not tell you whos scum to save my life. Basically, most people think I'm town, and that's where I like it at this point, because I dont think I'm going to find scum. Sorry to let you guys down on this.
[/going off on a tangent hoping to explain my absense from the game]

Anyways, as for the point, I DO know why it was dropped, looking back. I made it directly before I started working for the summer, which involved working all week and only having access on weekends. Over the week I apparently lost my train of thought. Now that I look back on it, it is a pretty strong point, especially combined with the double standard that he appies to Guardians alliance idea and Vits lists, even though theyre are essentially the same thing. Needless to say, I'll try to reread about vit tomorrow when I'll have loads of free time.

Guardian · Post Post #1810 (ISO) » Sun Oct 21, 2007 3:20 pm

all games: possible v/la or only posting during the day due to computer issues...

lynch IH plx.

IH · Post Post #1811 (ISO) » Mon Oct 22, 2007 2:15 am

Possible Skruffs and Guardian PBP.

Possible.

If I find the initiative to I may do PBPs on all players going from

Skruffs
Guardian
VitR
Tony
Thok
Elias

Elias_the_thief · Post Post #1812 (ISO) » Mon Oct 22, 2007 10:44 am

Right now, I think:
Guardian = Town
Thok = Town
Vit = scum

Everyone Else = undecided.
So yeah, I'm still lost.

Skruffs · Post Post #1813 (ISO) » Mon Oct 22, 2007 3:53 pm

So let's lynch Vitr.

[/guardian]

VitaminR · Post Post #1814 (ISO) » Mon Oct 22, 2007 7:07 pm

Elias_the_thief wrote:Right now, I think:
Guardian = Town
Thok = Town
Vit = scum

Everyone Else = undecided.
So yeah, I'm still lost.

That's kinda out of the blue. Why?

TonyMoonshine · Post Post #1815 (ISO) » Wed Oct 24, 2007 7:02 am

3 days until deadline?

Skruffs · Post Post #1816 (ISO) » Wed Oct 24, 2007 7:07 am

Good point, Tony. Astute of you. Who'd have thought two votes on IH would be the current bandwagon.

IH - two of your top three "scum list' are voting you, and I, the other person, is voting one of those top three. You are voting me because I voted for you, when I never actually voted you.
Care to reanalyze your situation?

Elias_the_thief · Post Post #1817 (ISO) » Wed Oct 24, 2007 9:42 am

Thok wrote: Actually, looking at VitR's posts he very rarely mentions Romanus at all, especially at times when I'd suspect protown players to look at him. (For example when the whole Guardian proposes his plan/Romanus attacks him, a lot of people go after Romanus, but VitR wasn't around and doesn't actually say anything about those two incidents when he starts posting again.)

That. I went back and looked, and I believe I lost track of the point when I went to work at my job (weeks at a time). Elaboration will come when I have time.

VitaminR · Post Post #1818 (ISO) » Wed Oct 24, 2007 10:20 am

TonyMoonshine wrote:3 days until deadline?

I don't mean the list, just his opinion of me.

Skruffs · Post Post #1819 (ISO) » Thu Oct 25, 2007 11:32 am

Simenon wrote:
Deadline- October 27th

get to it.

That's Saturday, sometime.
IH seems to have no interest in contributing further. Nobody else seems to have any intentions to change anything. ANd I can't lynch VitR by myself.

Skruffs · Post Post #1820 (ISO) » Fri Oct 26, 2007 2:39 am

IH is posting in other threads, frequently, just not this one.
IH, deadline is *tomorrow*.

Thok · Post Post #1821 (ISO) » Fri Oct 26, 2007 3:54 am

Skruffs wrote:IH is posting in other threads, frequently, just not this one.
IH, deadline is *tomorrow*.

I actually consider this a small protown tell; if he was scum, I feel like he would be trying harder to get another wagon going, and possibly that his partner would be trying to push another wagon.

(Obviously, this is only a small such tell; it's possible that it's merely an inactivity tell, or that IH is letting himself be bussed, or the whole WIFOM thing. But I feel it's something to think about.)

Still haven't had time/energy for the full reread.

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@VitR-it's not so much the fact that you had a blind spot for Romanus, but that you chose not to comment about him at all at various points. I feel like that ignoring him was in contrast to your play with respect to other people, and was possibly an attempt to avoid having to attack Romanus at the time without seeming to make a connection to him.

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On a side note, several people (VitR, Guardian) have used the comment "I thought Romanus was town, that was a valid point of view, why are you attacking me for that?" as a defense for their actions. As it's being used, it's basically a flat out appeal to WIFOM. i also feel Guardian's being a bit hypocritical with this, as he's attacking me for having thought IH is town.

Guardian · Post Post #1822 (ISO) » Fri Oct 26, 2007 4:45 am

Thok, I don't recall ever thinking your reasons for thinking that IH is town are legitimate.

I thought my reasons for thinking Romanus was town // not worthy of being #1 suspect were legitimate.

That's the difference for me.

IH needs more votes. I'm not at all interested in seeing a last minute non-IH wagon form

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Thok · Post Post #1823 (ISO) » Fri Oct 26, 2007 5:02 am

Guardian wrote:Thok, I don't recall ever thinking your reasons for thinking that IH is town are legitimate.

I thought my reasons for thinking Romanus was town // not worthy of being #1 suspect were legitimate.

That's the difference for me.

Guardian, I don't recall ever thinking your reasons for thinking that Romanus is town are legitimate.

I thought my reasons for thinking IH was town // not worthy of being #1 suspect were legitimate.

That's the difference for me.[/troll]

Skruffs · Post Post #1824 (ISO) » Fri Oct 26, 2007 7:41 am

Wait.
Thok...
*scratches his head*
How is that hypocritical?
"i also feel Guardian's being a bit hypocritical with this, as he's attacking me for having thought IH is town."
Ih's alignment has not been revealed yet? The first part of your argument is regarding a dead-and-scum player. the second part is about a about-to-be-dead player.