At least give an explanation why you voted Ircher.In [url=http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/topic.php?p=7949178#p7949178]post 951[/url], Nahdia wrote:ok i made it to page 33 and now im lazy
VOTE: Ircher
i'm gonna need some ice for this sick burn
see recent posts to titus re: tbg. thxIn post 920, Expedience wrote:Is this the only reason why you're townreading TBG?In post 877, zakk wrote:the TBG wagon is stupid because TBG seems very town. i like that he townreads me and agrees with me, and though that's confirmation bias on my part, it's clearly correct to me. and therefore, i have no small amount of disdain for the wagon.
i highly doubt he'd suck up to me for no reason.
you've rudimentarily cracked the code of how i feel about TBG hereIn post 922, Expedience wrote:I think TehBrawlGuy is town because he sounds like he believes what he says, even if it might not make that much sense. Especially posts like 804 and 812.
because he's scummy.In post 975, SethYazura wrote:At least give an explanation why you voted Ircher.In [url=http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/topic.php?p=7949178#p7949178]post 951[/url], Nahdia wrote:ok i made it to page 33 and now im lazy
VOTE: Ircher
Elaborate on your read list, you just categorized players into alignments without an actual analysis, even one-liners are enough.
That's pretty demanding of you considering your answer when asked about your reads was that you don't have any as it is pointless to scumhunt D1 and the lynch is a lottery.In post 975, SethYazura wrote:At least give an explanation why you voted Ircher.
Elaborate on your read list, you just categorized players into alignments without an actual analysis, even one-liners are enough.
Umm pardon me. You have neither the conviction nor weight to pull an ETL wagon? That's bullshit. Posts 883 and 886 say otherwise. You asked specifically for KTS to join you and that you wanted an ETL wagon. Now you're claiming you don't want one. Yeah, that ain't true.i don't really want to wagon ETL. i don't have either the conviction nor the weight to make anything useful happen there. i wanted to see what killthestory would say, and how he'd act with regards to follow up questioning, and i have not been impressed with his complete lack of conviction and complete unwillingness to play the game. that's scummy to me, but he kind of did the same thing in Mafia Z where he was town so maybe factor that in. personally, i have no read on him, and i don't foresee that changing much one way or the other, despite my efforts, so in all honesty, i wouldn't at all mind seeing him lynched in the first couple of days. with that said i think we can do better.
If you really had the same thought processes, you'd be reaching the same conclusions unless you just weighted things differently. Here, you're reaching opposite conclusions. I'm not seeing any point where you nod in agreement or even push the same lynches. The whole "I agree with TBG" when you cannot point to anything specific you agree with him off is just absurd.thought processes ≠ conclusions. i can see why he thinks what he thinks, and apparently that matches me. and apparently neither of us feel like it's faked on the other's part. there's something oddly self-reinforcing about it, which i'm keeping an eye on, but i don't think it's a big deal at the moment. it doesn't feel like weasely early-game rapport-building, it feels like genuine recognition.
what a coincidence i just finished posting it a bit agoIn post 924, MagnaofIllusion wrote: I very much want to see Zakk’s response to 889 because that post was very, very informative.
no, as town, i care about not being lynched. it happens a lot anyway, but being read as town doesn't really help me do anything but be a more attractive NK target. being scumread doesn't bother me in the least. what feels weird to me is that you seem very mastin-like in speaking through your thought processes (i.e. very self-metagame) and that means you could easily be trying to manipulate how others perceive what you say because you're very worried about how you say it. it's like you're setting me up to expect that you're going to say you scum read me, before you say you scum read me. which is scummy.In post 924, MagnaofIllusion wrote:Suspect that you suggest I didn’t answer your question when you then directly reference my response to your question (which I bolded for ease of reference).In post 880, zakk wrote:you demand i answer your questions but you neglect to answer mine
so answer those and here are some more.
why are you talking to me about how you are going to be able to read me later?[b/]does it look like i care? you should be happy that you'll have more to read, but it looks like you're trying to make me feel guilty for being a "jackrabbit on meth"
you think me pushing the ircher wagon even though he thought i was town is a null tell? really?
what did you learn from that, about him, and about me? anything?
what is your opinion on pursival? on titus? on ETL? what do you think about the relationships between them?
do you think copper or ircher is scum? if so, why? if not, why not?
If you are Town you should care if you are Town read. That’s how you prevent being mislynched and help to narrow down the pool of people who are scum. I shouldn’t have to explain this to you. This post actually reads as pretty over-wrought and not genuine. Has all the flavor of “Mock Outrage with a Side of Fate-Lite”.
I’ve already stated my opinion on ETL in thread. Scummy.
I’ve states several times I think Ircher is Town.
Copper is Leaning Scum. Very much dislike his more or less sole focus on low hanging fruit.
Pers is Solid Null at this point. He’s frankly focusing on too few players to get a good handle on him.
What are your reads on Pers, Kill and ETL?
You know that your last few posts sound like scum struggling to participate, right?In post 981, SethYazura wrote:Expedience's response is underrated, I didn't see a slight reaction to it and thus I didn't notice until Zakk quoted that, gave me quite a good laugh.
Never did I tell you that it's pointless to scumhunt d1, if you can make a read list, you should be able to say why, otherwise players will eventually prompt you to explain your reads which is what I just did.In post 982, copper223 wrote:That's pretty demanding of you considering your answer when asked about your reads was that you don't have any as it is pointless to scumhunt D1 and the lynch is a lottery.In post 975, SethYazura wrote:At least give an explanation why you voted Ircher.
Elaborate on your read list, you just categorized players into alignments without an actual analysis, even one-liners are enough.
You know that you don't have a sense of humor right?In post 986, Persivul wrote:You know that your last few posts sound like scum struggling to participate, right?In post 981, SethYazura wrote:Expedience's response is underrated, I didn't see a slight reaction to it and thus I didn't notice until Zakk quoted that, gave me quite a good laugh.
In post 983, Titus wrote:@Zakk - I'm quoting parts of 955. I'd quote the entire wall, but it would get distracting and cumbersome.
Umm pardon me. You have neither the conviction nor weight to pull an ETL wagon? That's bullshit. Posts 883 and 886 say otherwise. You asked specifically for KTS to join you and that you wanted an ETL wagon. Now you're claiming you don't want one. Yeah, that ain't true.i don't really want to wagon ETL. i don't have either the conviction nor the weight to make anything useful happen there. i wanted to see what killthestory would say, and how he'd act with regards to follow up questioning, and i have not been impressed with his complete lack of conviction and complete unwillingness to play the game. that's scummy to me, but he kind of did the same thing in Mafia Z where he was town so maybe factor that in. personally, i have no read on him, and i don't foresee that changing much one way or the other, despite my efforts, so in all honesty, i wouldn't at all mind seeing him lynched in the first couple of days. with that said i think we can do better.
If you really had the same thought processes, you'd be reaching the same conclusions unless you just weighted things differently. Here, you're reaching opposite conclusions. I'm not seeing any point where you nod in agreement or even push the same lynches. The whole "I agree with TBG" when you cannot point to anything specific you agree with him off is just absurd.thought processes ≠ conclusions. i can see why he thinks what he thinks, and apparently that matches me. and apparently neither of us feel like it's faked on the other's part. there's something oddly self-reinforcing about it, which i'm keeping an eye on, but i don't think it's a big deal at the moment. it doesn't feel like weasely early-game rapport-building, it feels like genuine recognition.
Then, lastly you grant Experience "town points" solely for agreeing with you that TBG is town. Yet, Experience didn't state any reasons for agreeing with you on this read.
you ninja'd me, but yeah the more i think about it the more i want an ETL wagon. which is why i just asked magna if he wasIn post 984, Titus wrote:Oh I forgot, you claim ETL and I are buddies in 968, yet youdon'twant to wagon ETL in 955.
Which is it? Do you want an ETL wagon or not?
thanks for your vote of confidence. last game i was detached, busy, and didn't care too much about shit. this game i do.In post 944, Persivul wrote:I agree that there's some suspicious stuff there, and particularly early. Plus, he has a different tone from our last game in which he was town. He's more measured in this game. But reviewing his ISO overall, I think it looks town. He's looking at different people, and generally the correct people. When challenged, he explains, but doesn't get defensive.
that's already been done
In post 366, cytheflyguy wrote:I have read nothing and everything at the same time. Ircher seems most scum atm so I'll go with him for now
VOTE: Ircher
YES! this is exactly it. are you down?In post 990, Titus wrote:So basically, you are now claiming you want an ETL wagon, but she's hard to lynch so you'd rather vote elsewhere? So you're shopping an ETL wagon?
i hate youIn post 974, Nahdia wrote:the people who voted him and said his posts were scummyzakk wrote:not what,In post 970, Nahdia wrote:the part where people voted him and said his posts were scummyIn post 969, zakk wrote:who were you cringing at specifically?In post 967, Nahdia wrote:also cytheflyguy was never really that scummy i was cringing super hard when everyone started wagoning him
for science.who.
probs townIn post 992, zakk wrote:Titus
probs townIn post 992, zakk wrote:EspeciallyTheLies
probs townIn post 992, zakk wrote:Lowell
probs scumIn post 992, zakk wrote:MagnaofIllusion
what's the history here?
Let's see here...In post 993, zakk wrote:YES! this is exactly it. are you down?In post 990, Titus wrote:So basically, you are now claiming you want an ETL wagon, but she's hard to lynch so you'd rather vote elsewhere? So you're shopping an ETL wagon?
I liked ETL's early reads and what pushed them into townread territory was their frustration with Titus. seemed genuine. Titus can totes be frustrating to work with ^_~In post 996, zakk wrote:why, specifically on ETL and Magna?
