The Title Fairy Dances with the Stars-lolz

[Thok]

I don't find any version of Glove particularly interesting.

I recognize Thesp's concerns. Also, I feel "I was there" better describes Fritz, even if some find it less interesting.

[Adele]

Nominate Fritzler for

"Bitches."

I'm

categorically opposed

to curse words in titles. I think it would be a worthwhile unwritten title policy.

Soooooo... it's okay in thread titles and threads, but not in titles?

In... ter... est... ing.

Games are often, broadly speaking, pg-13. A parent may even allow an underage player to play onsite on that basis as long as they promise not to check out the murkier stuff (hey, parents can be dumb and credulous too). Mods of games

often

make a no-obscenity rule, and can (and will) edit posts that contain language that they consider inappropriate. They cannot control titles.

For the same reason, I'd have much bigger problems with an obscene pic in someone's av than in a GD thread with a NSFW warning.

It's about giving people the option to avoid that stuff if it really matters to them.

[Thesp]

Nominate Fritzler for

"Bitches."

I'm

categorically opposed

to curse words in titles. I think it would be a worthwhile unwritten title policy.

Soooooo... it's okay in thread titles and threads, but not in titles?

In... ter... est... ing.

Games are often, broadly speaking, pg-13. A parent may even allow an underage player to play onsite on that basis as long as they promise not to check out the murkier stuff (hey, parents can be dumb and credulous too). Mods of games

often

make a no-obscenity rule, and can (and will) edit posts that contain language that they consider inappropriate. They cannot control titles.

For the same reason, I'd have much bigger problems with an obscene pic in someone's av than in a GD thread with a NSFW warning.

It's about giving people the option to avoid that stuff if it really matters to them.

Adele with the truthery!

[Thestatusquo]

I take offense to the fact that you think that your opinion matters more than mine.

[Shanba]

I read that as him agreeing with Adele more, not him valuing her opinion more.

[Thestatusquo]

Thats not even remotely close to what I was saying, shanba. I was saying that the fact that he thinks very mild curse words such as bitch, ass, damn, are objectionable and need to be not used. He thinks his personal opinion of such words should influence whether or not they are used or even allowed by the community at large. This is highly offensive to me, as I'm sure that he represents a very small minority of this site. It's the same way fundamental Christians think that the country should reflect their morality even though it's not shared by the majority of the country as a whole.

This is the same thing that changed maxes "Mish Mash Whore" into "Mish Mash Munchkin" which made NO sense at all, wasn't funny, and was just a severely watered down version of the first one. It pisses me off.

[Thok]

This is the same thing that changed maxes "Mish Mash Whore" into "Mish Mash Munchkin" which made NO sense at all, wasn't funny, and was just a severely watered down version of the first one. It pisses me off.

Um, there were reasons other than the swear word for me suggesting that change. (Munchkin gives extra alliteration and also has a double meaning involving both max's age and the concept of Munchkin in the context of RPG's.)

[Glork]

lolpwnd

[Dani Banani]

@TSQ
i don't think Thesp thinks his opinion matters

more

, he just wanted to state his opinion...

personally, i don't have a problem w/ 'mild' curse words, and i don't even really consider 'whore' a curse word in the first place...
socially unacceptable? maybe. curse word? no.

depending on the context of the word, i personally don't have a problem w/ it... if it's being used as a verb (i.e. 'Fritzler bitches.'), i don't have a problem w/ it, but if it's being used as a noun (i.e. 'Fritzler has bitches.'), then i would need convincing before i approved it, mostly b/c i think it's degrading to women... again, i don't think my opinion is worth more than the next person's, i'm just stating it...

[Thestatusquo]

This is the same thing that changed maxes "Mish Mash Whore" into "Mish Mash Munchkin" which made NO sense at all, wasn't funny, and was just a severely watered down version of the first one. It pisses me off.

Um, there were reasons other than the swear word for me suggesting that change. (Munchkin gives extra alliteration and also has a double meaning involving both max's age and the concept of Munchkin in the context of RPG's.)

Um...You didn't touch my logic at all in the rest of my post, in addition to trying to pretend that the language had nothing to do with it, even though it did. Just because there are other, weak rationalizations behind something doesn't mean that the primary justification wasn't the language. The primary issues raised against it had to do with it being too strong for a title. Thirdly, it's just a way worse title.

[Mr. Flay]

And you're completely ignoring that titles have to be viewed in any part of the site. Thread titles can be easily changed if requested, signatures and I think avatars can be turned off by individual users, but titles are ubiquitous. Again, it goes to what we want to present the site as, and you haven't shown that unavoidable swearing is in the best interests of the site/reflects the membership as a whole (I recommend a phone poll, personally).

[Thestatusquo]

But why the hell should the thread titles be changed on the whims of one individual? I don't understand why thesp can't just...You know...Be an adult and ignore ONE word in a persons title.

The fact is, regardless of jokes about phone polls, 85% of this site swears on a regular basis, I'd say 90% of it does not give a care if someone else swears. Why the hell does the majority have to be constrained by the minority?

[Mr. Flay]

Numerous people have complained about your signature. I swear, but I don't want it everywhere associated with me, in every post in every thread, your made-up statistics notwithstanding.

I'm not sure we're

going

to see eye to eye on this, so I'd rather let mith decide.

[Quagmire]

bitches is better.

bitches

don't see the signifigance of the period, as long as it's "bitches" and not "bitch"

i fully support this nomination

and in lieu of people trying to censor words that are all over the forum anyway, i'm going to go place swear words in my signature

[Thestatusquo]

Numerous people have complained about your signature. I swear, but I don't want it everywhere associated with me, in every post in every thread, your made-up statistics notwithstanding.

I'm not sure we're

going

to see eye to eye on this, so I'd rather let mith decide.

Fine, then don't have it as your title, however fritzler WANTS it as his title. Which means he DOES want it everywhere associated with him. Why should your opinion, or thesp's opinion, or my opinion determine whether he should be allowed to, considering he was legitimately nominated.

You keep attacking my statistics as "made up" or "unsubstantiated" but you're not disagreeing with them? Do you think I'm wrong with my estimates (which I never claimed were scientific, or anything other than my own perception of facts.)

[Mr. Flay]

This has become wildly off-topic for this thread, so see my reply here:
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 686#792686

[Kelly Chen]

and

in lieu of

people trying to censor words that are all over the forum anyway, i'm going to go place swear words in my signature

noooooo I take damage!

[Tamuz]

If fritz actually wants it in his title then its a no.

Solved.

[Elias_the_thief]

I think "It happened" is superior to "I was there". It just sounds funnier.

[Thesp]

@TSQ
i don't think Thesp thinks his opinion matters

more

, he just wanted to state his opinion...

This is entirely correct, I even added the "[/personal opinion]" to the end to emphasize that.

I'll take the rest to the other thread Flay pointed to.

[IH]

Games are often, broadly speaking, pg-13. A parent may even allow an underage player to play onsite on that basis as long as they promise not to check out the murkier stuff (hey, parents can be dumb and credulous too). Mods of games often make a no-obscenity rule, and can (and will) edit posts that contain language that they consider inappropriate. They cannot control titles.

Name five games with that rule you've been in off the top of your head....

Your arguments about what you'd want is defunct also as it is Fritz's title...

[JDodge]

This is the same thing that changed maxes "Mish Mash Whore" into "Mish Mash Munchkin" which made NO sense at all, wasn't funny, and was just a severely watered down version of the first one. It pisses me off.

Um, there were reasons other than the swear word for me suggesting that change. (Munchkin gives extra alliteration and also has a double meaning involving both max's age and the concept of Munchkin in the context of RPG's.)

Um...You didn't touch my logic at all in the rest of my post, in addition to trying to pretend that the language had nothing to do with it, even though it did. Just because there are other, weak rationalizations behind something doesn't mean that the primary justification wasn't the language. The primary issues raised against it had to do with it being too strong for a title. Thirdly, it's just a way worse title.

Wasn't the other reason not because of the language but because it was too similar to Frozen Atlantic's title ("Not a flavor whore", which also disproves your "swear word" argument) which was approved at around the same time IIRC

[Adele]

Look, it's one thing to say "if you don't wanna be exposed to foul language, it's up to you to avoid it, be warned people say all sorts in GD", But it's something else to say "suck it up, beeyotch" or define it as an unavoidable aspect of the site - at worst, potentially driving away good players (I'd almost say the fundamental mandate of this site is "bring players to the game, don't drive them away from it").

As to it being Fritz's title… well, on some level, it isn't. Everything on this site is ultimately mith's. This is his site, which he allows to primarily be community-led. Titles, especially, are community-chosen, not a personal choice. Point: MoS had to lobby to have DFFTO taken down. The community has chosen to consider the potential title-bearer's feelings on the matter as a concession. To consider the feelings of the more sensitive site-members (I'll say again, titles, like avs as far as I know, are not something you can avoid) is not a contradiction of that but an extension.

That line of argument doesn't work anyway. It's

your

penis, but walk around town with it out, and your apt to get in trouble with the law - whose job it is to protect people from harm and to set out context-dependent ground rules. Naked in private = your business.

Taking it around with you everywhere you go

= everyone's business.

Sometimes I think people try to define things as issues of freedom of speech (or other fundamental human rights), when it's more about consideration and showing a basic level of respect to your peers. It's one thing to behave like a dick individually, but giving someone a title is a community action, and people should expect more kindness of a community than of the individuals constituting it.

At the end of the day, I think "this person's title is marginally less funny than it could have been" is a smaller deal than "some people are likely to be (and could reasonably be) offended by this title, and the only way they can avoid it is avoiding the site"

[jeep]

Avatars, like signatures, can be turned off by the user. Titles, location, etc, cannot.

Titles do not belong to individuals, they are assigned to them by the community and require approval of the title fairy or mith.

phpBB has a language censor. I think I can make it possible to enable/disable it per user. I don't think it works on titles, though- only sigs and message text. I'll bring it up with mith.

-JEEP

[Adele]

Avatars, like signatures, can be turned off by the user.

Yeah, my bad. I think discretion's the better part of valour there, too, though - I'm visual and attach arguments, positions and scummyness to the av pic, not the name. I'd literally not be able to follow a game in which any significant number of players lacked avs (lack of an av is a major pet peeve and totally OT I'll go now sorry bye)