Mini Normal 1775 END!

[mhsmith0]

@toast: oh I understand. I sometimes (often) over post. Especially when I'm annoyed at a game state, like the one where nothing is happening. I'll re read tomorrow and either hammer Lowell or push harder on riabi.

Ps wrt garmr reads, it'd definitely be a ballsy play. But Sakura w garmr and boon legitimately fits. There really had been a decent amount of chainsawing going on between each other, Sakura going nuts really did only happen post fake claim, when garmr was in real danger, etc. and day 3 and on that slot has done NOTHING useful with its town read status. I think the reason why finding the last mafia was hard was because we let one into the town read group.

[heuristically_alone]

I definitely see what you are saying, that riabi follows a more standard scum outline, but something I've noticed is that the scum play on mafiascum is often evolving and rarely the scum will be following what seems most standard and ordinary for scum. Also, I tend to trust one's own initial intuition. My psychology teacher used to say that one's first notion is usually correct and when one tries to second guess himself, he's usually wrong. I really hope we're not wrong this time.

[mhsmith0]

Given that everyone still prefers Lowell, and I think it a reasonably plausible final mafia, I'm fine going with this.

All I ask is that if we're wrong, you re-read Sakura/Riabi, including my case on that slot. I'm like 50-40-x Riabi vs Lowell right now (the remaining 10% is "MHS is totally wrong"), and 40% is fine for this one. Lowell completely could be the last mafia.

VOTE: Lowell
And if I'm wrong today, let's lynch Riabi tomorrow.

[mhsmith0]

Either this game was:

1) Garmr distances Lowell hard;
Boon "saves" Lowell;
mafia dysfunction ensures

2) Garmr bails out Sakura and Boon from early pressure D1;
Garmr and Sakura chainsaw each other at various times D1 and D2;
Sakura sees Boon's fakeclaim D2 with Garmr as the new counter-wagon and goes nuts on Boon to grab town points and kill Garmr momentum;
after day talk is over and with the earned town cred, Sakura's slot basically goes dark

#1 is possible, so is #2. Gut says 2. We'll see.

[Lowell]

So am I dead yet? Do I still have to read back and pretend to be paying attention?

[mhsmith0]

You're dead. Were you last mafia?

[Lowell]

No one thinks that, not even you.

[mhsmith0]

No one thinks that, not even you.

So who do you think it is then? I certainly thought it was plausibly you.

[ToastyToast]

I definitely see what you are saying, that riabi follows a more standard scum outline, but something I've noticed is that the scum play on mafiascum is often evolving and rarely the scum will be following what seems most standard and ordinary for scum. Also, I tend to trust one's own initial intuition. My psychology teacher used to say that one's first notion is usually correct and when one tries to second guess himself, he's usually wrong. I really hope we're not wrong this time.

That's always the case but then what's the point of scum reading?

[ToastyToast]

or scum hunting in general

[mhsmith0]

Presuming Lowell isn't just trolling (and it'd be funny if he was), MYLO strategy:

1) EVERYONE re-reads the damn thread. If you want to wait until you find out whether you were NK'd, fine. But you all need to re-read it. It's under 1800 posts over the span of two months, that's not THAT much. Hell, I was in a game that had 1500 posts in under TWO DAYS. Now, THAT was too much for me (way too much in fact), but there's plenty of time to re-read what's happened here.
2) We discuss ALL of the potential options (not just "MHS rambles on about all of the options and everyone else just kinda lurks")
3) We lynch Riabi (or his replacement).
4) If we're wrong, we all blame MHS for being a dumbass.

PS If I'm NK'd, and you guys do a lazy wagon on anyone other than Riabi, I'm going to be super unhappy (unless I was wrong and you were right... then I'll be pretty happy). If you want it to not be Riabi, do the work to make sure you're right. Smith out.

[Lowell]

I still don't see riabi. Why not dier again? Read that guy in iso, he equivocates like whoa. He's been hiding the whole game.

[mhsmith0]

I'll re-read Dier. Not really seeing it, but I'll re-read. Feels like a really weird game state if it's him.

[Lowell]

Aight then riabi. whatever. Lowell out!

/mic drop

/hammer drop

/dies

[mhsmith0]

Well I guess we can have Dier and Riabi/sub snipe at each other tomorrow. That'll be fun in its own way.

[mhsmith0]

@riabi: be prepared to defend your vote on dier for "nk motive"

@dier: be prepared to actually spell out all of your "associatives" you've previously discussed.

I'll try to have better questions when board re opens.

[FA_Q2]

Day 5 end

Lowell has been hung.

Lowell (4):

Dierfire, heuristically_alone, ToastyToast, mhsmith0

Lynch!!!

Dierfire (2):

Lowell, Riabi

(L-2)

heuristically_alone (0):

Riabi (0):

mhsmith0 (0):

ToastyToast (0):

Not Voting (0):

The deadline is in

(expired on 2016-05-13 16:00:00)

NOTES:
Looking for a replacement for Riabi. Night deadline may be extended if I cannot find one.

[FA_Q2]

Lowell Role PM

Welcome! You are a

Vanilla Townie

.

Abilities

You have your voice and your vote. Use them well.

Win Condition

You win when all threats to the Town have been eliminated.

Here is the game thread. Please confirm via PM with your role name and in thread by posting /confirm.

Titus replaces Riabi immediately. Next day phase will start in (expired on 2016-05-14 17:00:00)

[FA_Q2]

As night ended town awoke to find… there was no internet! Mhsmith0 wandered around lethargically with nothing to do and no purpose in life. Dierfire sat and cried in bed for days. Titus sat on the couch staring at the blank screen that refused to display anything other than an error message: Sorry, the site you are trying to reach is unavailable. UNAVALABLE!!!! Toastytoast just stayed in the toaster hoping it was all a dream.

It was so bad no one noticed that heuristically_alone was missing for days on end. When town finally located him it was to late – he was found with the town’s internet cable wrapped around his neck, dead. That was the last straw – scum had finally gone too far. Killing them was one thing but disconnecting the internet, that was another! They plugged the internet back in and took to the streets – someone was going to get hung…

[/b]

heuristically_alone's Role

Welcome! You are a

Town JOAT

.

Abilities

You have your voice and your vote. Use them well.

• You are a Jack of all Trades able to perform many actions but only a few times. You may only use 1 ability each night. You have the following abilities:
  
• 1 shot Watcher:
  You may target one player and you will know who, if anyone, targeted that player that night.
  
• 1 shot Commuter:
  You may chose to leave town for one night. While out of town you are immune to all night actions that may be taken against you.
  
• 1 shot Cop:
  You may select one player to investigate. You will receive a PM with the alignment of that player as “Town” or “Not town” and a “No result” if your investigation fails.
  
• 1 shot Body Guard:
  You may choose to protect one player. Should that player be the target of a night kill from any source, you will die instead.

Win Condition

You win when all threats to the Town have been eliminated.

Here is the game thread. Please confirm via PM with your role name and in thread by posting /confirm.

Votecount 6.0

With 4 alive it takes 3 to lynch.

Dierfire (0):

Titus (0):

mhsmith0 (0):

ToastyToast (0):

Not Voting (0):

Titus, ToastyToast, mhsmith0, Dierfire

The deadline is in

(expired on 2016-05-31 09:00:00)

NOTES:
None

[mhsmith0]

As the (nearly) conf!town here, I'm in no rush to quick lynch. That said, I'm struggling to see a case for Toast or Dier as the last mafia. So for now

FOS: Titus

And we'll see if there's good reason to re-evaluate going forward.

PS I guess I don't need to worry about alone possibly fake-claiming anymore

[Titus]

VLA today

[Dierfire]

I had thought that mhsmith0 would be killed, so I was planning to vote to skip the lynch today.
Given that he lives, and that the flip from Alone makes him nearly certain to be Town, I don't think that there's much utility to that move now.

@mhsmith0

@dier: be prepared to actually spell out all of your "associatives" you've previously discussed.

I'm in the process of evaluating things again, but there will certainly be differences between "what I think now" and "what I thought then" so if something that I said previously was unclear, you'll need to be more specific.

[mhsmith0]

I had thought that mhsmith0 would be killed too!

IIRC you'd been talking about various associatives between slots, to the point where a good chunk of your voting logic seemed to be based on that (IIRC - it's been a few days since I've really been dialed into the thread). I'd like you to spell out in some detail where you think the associatives are pointing at this time, and what exactly you mean by them. I may follow up with some questions on your prior thinking over the next couple of days, but for now at least I'd like to know where your thinking is at.

[ToastyToast]

Why does the lynch make it nearly certain that he's town?

[mhsmith0]

Why does the lynch make it nearly certain that he's town?

Alone claimed a cop check on me, and he flipped that he actually had a cop check. So mechanically either I'm godfather or I'm an investigative immune SK or I'm town.