Newbie #492 - GAME OVER

[somestrangeflea]

Numbering players 1-6, top to bottom...

Original Roll String: 1d6

1 6-Sided Dice: (3) = 3

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Vote: Charliestubbs

You can't argue with dice...

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Hmm... the dice appear to want a quicklynch today!

In unrelated news, myself and Dead Rikimaru are your ICs for the game, so it's pretty much our job to help you with any problems you have in the game, and to impart whatever *ahem* "wisdom" we may have regarding the game, regardless of our alignments, so fire away!

ZW has just put charlie at L-1, which does seem a tad serious, considering he hasn't posted yet...

We can't actually tell if charlie or Golgi are scum. They haven't posted anything yet, so there's no evidence against them! We may as well wait until we get some posts before we lynch them! So, to prevent a ==[] vote...

Unvote: Charlie

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A prod is when the mod sends a Private message to a player who has been inactive for a length of time, to remind them to post.

Thread's only been open for a day, so I don't think prods are really necessary at this point...

[somestrangeflea]

Joking about one's own scumminess

is

a scumtell. Town are generally less flexible regarding their own alignment...

Vote: Variable

[somestrangeflea]

Joking about one's own scumminess

is

a scumtell. Town are generally less flexible regarding their own alignment...

[somestrangeflea]

OK, now

I'll

make one up.

Quoting oneself is a scumtell.

See, you're starting to get it now. Just remove the sarcasm and you'll be fine!

The thing about scumtells is that there is no hard "List of Scumtells" to use. You have to look at someone's actions and ask yourself "Would scum be more likely to do that than a Townie, and why/why not?" Making up scumtells as you go along is a good Town tactic, providing that you can back them up with actual reasoning.

[somestrangeflea]

Making up scumtells, with or without reasoning behind them, is actually a good way to get the game lost for the town, as it gives players an excuse to vote for someone they want to be scum. Everybody does something in a game that some mafia in some game has done at one point or another.

Well, if you don't make the scumtells up, where do you propose we get them from?

Bad advice, flea. I especially find your backpedaling on this annoying. (Going from agreeing with Golgi by voting for me, then attempting to turn it into a lesson on tells? What?)

I fail to see how those two actions are contradictory.

[somestrangeflea]

Ping.

[somestrangeflea]

Apologies for recent inactivity. It's been a frantic weekend, and I'm going on an away for a few days. No idea how active I can be when I'm gone, but I'll be back on Friday.

If I need to be replaced, so be it...

[somestrangeflea]

I think that apple is acting scummy.

From the recent exchange, I think that if apple is scum, Xaivius isn't. There's something strangely sincere about X's posts...

[somestrangeflea]

I'm bored, so I'll analyse Variable's posts. Eventually, I'll analyse everyone's, but I'm busy with life, so I'll make a start here...

Variable's Post of Suspicion!

What a coincidence, this is my second game too.

You got us, man, we're both scum. We actually planned those two comments before the game started. (We were supposed to do them exactly two hours apart, but I messed up and did mine two minutes too early. Sorry, scumbuddy.)



Seriously, though, please point me to this list of scum tells. It'd be handy knowing what things not to do whenever I actually get a role in a game that is scum.

And the problem with "talking because the silence makes you nervous" is that it's just easier to not post anything, rather than come up with something innocent-sounding.

The ever controversial joke scum claim. I stand by my argument that it is a scumtell because of Mini 167.

Basic summary:
EmpTyger jokeclaims scum.
EmpTyger gets lynched for claiming scum.
EmpTyger is scum.

From the looks of the second part of the post, it looks as though V's trying to discredit anyone who attempts to use anything which is recognised as a "Common Scumtell".

You know, I thought about that while I was typing, that someone would interpret that as me claiming scum.

FoS: somestrangeflea

.

Zombie's new. What's your excuse?

Doesn't actually defend against the point that jokeclaiming scum is a tell, just dismisses it as wrong.

OK, now

I'll

make one up.

Quoting oneself is a scumtell.

Make up scumtells if you want, but if you can't back them up with actual reasoning and logic, don't expect anyone to believe you...

Making up scumtells, with or without reasoning behind them, is actually a good way to get the game lost for the town, as it gives players an excuse to vote for someone they want to be scum. Everybody does something in a game that some mafia in some game has done at one point or another.

Yeah. Scumtells are things which scum more

commonly

do. You can cite a scum doing any action as a scumtell, provided you can't find Town doing it more often. I've stated my case and my evidence. If you can find an example of a

Townie

jokeclaiming scum, then feel free to show it. I'll retract my scumtell if you do...

Bad advice, flea. I especially find your backpedaling on this annoying. (Going from agreeing with Golgi by voting for me, then attempting to turn it into a lesson on tells? What?)

And that is backpedalling, how?

Heaven forbid we have fun while playing a game.



Three boys get arrested at the local zoo for causing a disturbance. One by one, the boys are brought in front of the judge for questioning.

The first boy says, "my name's Tommy, and I was just trying to feed peanuts to the lions."

The second boy says, "my name's Billy, and I was just trying to feed peanuts to the lions."

The third boy says, "my name's Peanuts."

FoS: appleof88

Hey, any chance you could, you know,

not

immediately dismiss people thoughts as BS, and actually

show

why people are wrong..?

The only people to EVER make up scumtells are scum trying to get a townie lynched, and townies that subconsciously want a certain person hung, simply to prove themselves right.

Why? Because you say so?

As soon as something becomes widely accepted as a scumtell, scum stop doing it.

Scum still have more reason to do it than town would though, so it's still a scumtell.

To that end, I have no problem being hung as a townie if the rest of the town can accurately determine, based on voting patterns and posts, who the scum are.

The Town lynching you as a Townie,

and

the Town knowing who all the scum are, at the same time, is impossible. Why would we lynch a Townie if we knew who the scum were?

Which leads me very nicely on to...

Let me know when you find something provably untrue or contradictory.

DONE!

Therefore, as long as people keep finding "scumtells" in my posts, I'm still going to keep doing them as I feel like.

OHAI GAIZ SCUMTELLS DON'T APPLY TO VARIABLE BECAUSE HE SAY SO.

There is no basis in any of them, as I'm not scum.

OHAI GAIZ VARIABLE DOESN'T HAVE TO DEFEND HIMSELF BECAUSE HE SAY HE'S TOWN

I have a list of suspects, but I'm not going to present them just yet.

Could be scum waiting to see which opinions are "safer" to have. Not really seeing any good reasons

not

to tell us his suspects. That being said...

It was your idea to present a list of suspects; why didn't you start us off? Instead, it almost sounds like you're asking for us to list bandwagons we may be partial to.

/agree. You get some points for that...

Tied for first: appleof88 and Silverwalker
Tied for third: Xaivius and Dead Rikimaru
Tied for fifth: Zombie_woof and somestrangeflea

$10 says that this changes dramatically after I press "Submit".

He didn't vote for you.

Vote: appleof88.

You also get some points for that.

OMGUS only counts when you get voted on.

X

Just because someone doesn't follow up their suspicions with a vote, doesn't make attacking them for suspecting you any better.

By the way, I hope you realize how it will look if I get lynched based on posts like these -- especially after I turn up town.

Uhm, I think this is the 3rd or 4th time you've used "You'll look suspicious if you lynch me" as a threat, and I think that using it is a good scum tactic for driving away the more shy players... Silver picked you up on this as well, and I agree.

somestrangeflea: making up scum tells, then major backpedaling when I call him on it.

1 is not scummy, and 2 does not exist.

Fine, I understand, not everyone was graced with a sense of humor.

Personal attacks on players = FAIL

By the way, "thou doth protest too much" is the same principle as "too townie." Look it up.

X

"Thou doth protest too much" = Player is too whiny and complains a lot. Valid reasoning, IMO.
"Too Townie" = Player is acting in a Pro-town fashion, and therefore must be scum. BS reasoning, always.

Acting in a pro-town fashion =/= whiny and complaining.

No comments/posts since the 25th, but then an array of FoSes?

Okay.

I do appreciate the unvote, though.

So, a player is lurking like crazy, then indicates suspicion of 3 people, providing no reasoning, but you don't actually suspect them.

Methinks someone was just a little too relieved by the unvote...

So, uhm, yeah.

Zombie's turn next time!