New York 194: Guns N' Roses Mafia! (Day 8)

[Aristophanes]

I agree that potential power is important too, but once outed, the role is useless.

I'm not wrong and I know it.

[Aristophanes]

Ooooh Pagetop! =D

[Performer]

@mod please replace this GuyFawkes as they haven't posted since the dinosaur age

@anyone what is your read of GuyFawkes?

[Killthestory]

aris is so hard to read

[Performer]

@Killthestory true, Ari is somewhat mysterious to read. Also one of the reasons I'm back to voting him .
I noted that you're a scumread on Snark's list. Thoughts?

Snarky what was your check last night?

I don't like this from Frag. I've seen him mod games before and he is an experienced player. He asked about a possible Backup role having performed something, which is impossible. On top of that , pg 69 interaction between him and I , regarding GuyFawkes replacement before hammering - given our situation of less than 12 hours on d2 deadline, that made no sense.

@Frag, Fire, Drix, Killthestory in particular: what're your thoughts on the Guy slot

[Performer]

Yume , reads list please. What's your read on Drixx? Anything changed?

[Performer]

Anyone else finding Oz hard to read?

His cases seem convoluted & constipated on first impression , much like Keyser Soze's cases – on d1. Later he had an outrageously hard-to-read 1258 wall on d2 that moved me to place him at null. His 20 was an unsubstantial post, 252 was way brief, 560+561+720+1051+1168+1368+1461+1599+1717 = fluff posts.

Oz when you get back here: I'd like to hear your reads on folks.
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Killthestory - you mentioned you townread me when you addressed Kuroi's read list where he singled me out as null. Why do you townread me?

[iraonavp]

FINALLY a day phase that starts on a weekend. I'm still somewhat angry about the game being reopened after over 2 hours. 4 mods...come on! People are busy and for me, weekdays mean I may resort largely to phone posting, which takes away a big chunk of my play . Anyway.

Snark's fake claim was indeed odd but the fact that ira & Something added votes on him after a PR claim - that is very disturbing. Adding that to my notes. When someone claims PR, even if they're lying - that can be dealt with as the game went on. I wish I was here during the final moments because I would've seriously unvoted and moved it back to Aris, who accumulated more votes near the end.

@Fire & Frag - what're your reads on Ozgin and Slandaar?

Unless there are developments, I say we resume the wagon on this today:
VOTE: Aristophanes

I didn't add votes on him after a PR claim.

No way we're lynching Aristophanes today.

VOTE: KickAssAndGiggle

[KickAssAndGiggle]

aris is so hard to read

Agreed.

Anyone else finding Oz hard to read?

His cases seem convoluted & constipated on first impression , much like Keyser Soze's cases – on d1. Later he had an outrageously hard-to-read 1258 wall on d2 that moved me to place him at null. His 20 was an unsubstantial post, 252 was way brief, 560+561+720+1051+1168+1368+1461+1599+1717 = fluff posts.

He posts some fluff, but if you're ill, you're ill: I'd rather he let us know there's a reason for him not posting much. I didn't have a problem with 1258 really: I essentially agree with his ISO analysis on KTS. Overall, I don't find him super suspicious: there's 3 or 4 others I'd go for first.

FINALLY a day phase that starts on a weekend. I'm still somewhat angry about the game being reopened after over 2 hours. 4 mods...come on! People are busy and for me, weekdays mean I may resort largely to phone posting, which takes away a big chunk of my play . Anyway.

Snark's fake claim was indeed odd but the fact that ira & Something added votes on him after a PR claim - that is very disturbing. Adding that to my notes. When someone claims PR, even if they're lying - that can be dealt with as the game went on. I wish I was here during the final moments because I would've seriously unvoted and moved it back to Aris, who accumulated more votes near the end.

When S_S voted, there were minutes to deadline:

There are

SEVENTEEN

minutes until deadline.

Even if you were online, there wouldn't have been any hope of getting the lynch changed. I will be looking at those who started the wagon or jumped on easily: iraonavp and S_S are the two I least suspect on that wagon.

Let's start here: VOTE: Firebringer


PEdit: LOL, nice. Why?

[Something_Smart]

@Performer: I would have preferred to lynch Ari even before Snarky claimed. But a no lynch is even worse than a town lynch. Now that we know Snarky was town, we can lynch the scum on his wagon:
VOTE: Fragger
Everything he says is awkward, his reads and cases sound faked, and his pushes are awful.

[Slandaar]

Anyone else finding Oz hard to read?

He is scum.

VOTE: Aristo

[Slandaar]

Aristo's scumhunting summed up

'Hey guys!
There is this guy called Snarky. He doesn't post much. Must be scum!'

All I remember is a case based on inactivity, which is null.

Just lynch him.

[KuroiXHF]

mod, please consider me on v/la until tomorrow evening.

[Aristophanes]

Anyone else finding Oz hard to read?

He is scum.

VOTE: Aristo

"Oz is scum, so let's vote Ari!"

Great logic Slandarr.

[Aristophanes]

Aristo's scumhunting summed up

'Hey guys!
There is this guy called Snarky. He doesn't post much. Must be scum!'

All I remember is a case based on inactivity, which is null.

Just lynch him.

I'm fairly certain I've done far more than this. Nice misrep.

[Something_Smart]

^See, this is the kind of thing that I don't see town-Ari saying. But he said a few things late yesterday that did really sound like his town self.

aris is so hard to read

Killthestory, you said it.

[Slandaar]

Anyone else finding Oz hard to read?

He is scum.

VOTE: Aristo

"Oz is scum, so let's vote Ari!"

Great logic Slandarr.

I only have one vote.

Aristo's scumhunting summed up

'Hey guys!
There is this guy called Snarky. He doesn't post much. Must be scum!'

All I remember is a case based on inactivity, which is null.

Just lynch him.

I'm fairly certain I've done far more than this. Nice misrep.

Provide quotes.

[Performer]

@Performer: I would have preferred to lynch Ari even before Snarky claimed. But a no lynch is even worse than a town lynch. Now that we know Snarky was town, we can lynch the scum on his wagon:
VOTE: Fragger
Everything he says is awkward, his reads and cases sound faked, and his pushes are awful.

You have advocated a hammer on Reubus, who didn't even claim on d1. On d2 you hammered someone who claimed PR (though he later turned out to be VT). Stating no lynch was worse than a town lynch doesn't look like something town would say, especially considering what happened in this game. If someone claimed PR , even if it's Backup, and seeing how pisskop died as a Backup specialist role (meaning we may have other Backups in the game) - I'd say in that situation if there was a no lynch and we didn't hammer the PR claimer - things would sort themselves out. Things get sorted out through night phases and the next day phase.

We really lucked out on this , the fact that Snark ended up being VT instead.

Firebringer and I just came from a game that had a similar occurrence when Marquis fake claimed and people ended up lynching him, despite him explaining his fake claim gambit.

Anyone else finding Oz hard to read?

He is scum.

VOTE: Aristo

"Oz is scum, so let's vote Ari!"

Great logic Slandarr.

Slandaar has had you on the very top of his scumreads , since d1. Considering this extraordinary and unusual feat from Slandaar, if you end up being town, then we'd have to take a very heavy look at Slandaar.

[Performer]

Also @ Firebringer - what's your read of KAAG and Something Smart? I'm starting to think one reason I've survived after n2 in this game, is that my reads have been way off regarding certain folks. So I am asking all these questions to assist in my reevaluation .

I also find it extremely bizarre that 2 folks died on n1 compared to 1 person dying on n2. This brings to mind some hypotheses but I think sharing all my hypotheses, will hurt us more than help us. It also made me realize something that is making me incredibly nervous.

[Fraggernaut]

@Performer Slandaar is still null for me, more leaning town though. So far I like most their posts after I re-read their Iso & they appear more town then scum from my own perspective.

Ozgin posted a huge wall on me that said a lot but didn't actually say all that much if that makes sense. I'll re-read their ISO today & will update and reassess accordingly as I'll have to do with a few others in this game.

[Phone Post]

[Fraggernaut]

@Killthestory true, Ari is somewhat mysterious to read. Also one of the reasons I'm back to voting him .
I noted that you're a scumread on Snark's list. Thoughts?

Snarky what was your check last night?

I don't like this from Frag. I've seen him mod games before and he is an experienced player. He asked about a possible Backup role having performed something, which is impossible. On top of that , pg 69 interaction between him and I , regarding GuyFawkes replacement before hammering - given our situation of less than 12 hours on d2 deadline, that made no sense.

@Frag, Fire, Drix, Killthestory in particular: what're your thoughts on the Guy slot

They claimed backup cop & a JOAT flipped. If they were telling the truth then they would have a check or a peek. It's easier to question a scum fake claiming if they can't provide the substantive information paired with that role.

Also Guy is useless right now & I'm hoping for their replacement to finally get here so we can read the slot.

[Phone Post]

[Performer]

@ira sorry about that, you voted him just before he claimed. My bad.

I also noted Drip voted Snark, later called him possible town, yet she STILL had her vote on him - contradictory.
Drip had her vote on Snark since pg 55, then close to d2 deadline, she claimed Snark was town. Don’t like this at all.
On top of this, she ignored my question to her about why she never mentioned me in her ISO, where she provided ridiculously vague one-liner reads lists.

[Performer]

@Performer: I would have preferred to lynch Ari even before Snarky claimed. But a no lynch is even worse than a town lynch. Now that we know Snarky was town, we can lynch the scum on his wagon:
VOTE: Fragger
Everything he says is awkward, his reads and cases sound faked, and his pushes are awful.

My issue with Frag is that I’m not buying his response regarding a GuyFawkes replacement on pg 69, with less than 12 hours left. And his response toward my question about his Snarky inquiry, which still doesn’t make sense. On top of that, you & ira scumread him and Snark had him on his scum list.

[Drixx]

@Mod: 24 hour V/LA please

[Axl_Rose]

Drixx and Kurio V/LA for 48 hours (gave you an extra 24 just in case as unless deadline is approaching 24 hour vlas are wierd since prods go at 48)

GuyFawkes will be prodded but replaced immediately if he doesn't post in 24 hours.

DayStart PM will be sent to all living players. Please disregard if already posting here.

VC will be coming later today.

When Aero comes back, you'll get shinier pictures and flavor. For now, you're stuck with me. If you sent something to Aero's private account and it has not been responded to, please send it to this account. Thank you.