Mini 1781: Plotinus Mafia: Game Over

[Not_Mafia]

Come on Vamanos, everybody let's go.
Come on Vamanos, come on wagon ho.

VOTE: Smudger

Come on Vamanos, everybody let's go.
Come on Vamanos, forced entry post let's go.

[Not_Mafia]

@mod or Yimmy - is the setup made from only roles Plotinus has had as Plotinus, or could it potentially include any roles Plotinus has had as a hydra?

looks like a town post because this sort of question would have been posted in the scum QT, as the information would have been privately useful. Conversation previous to this looks like this train of thought wasn't premeditated.

I townread Davsto but don't like the reasoning here, this is far too easily fakeable a thing to warrant a townread. Seems like an excuse to throw someone who's assuming town leader role in to the town pile early

Actually, after a little think, I'm going to say -

ONLY SCUM roles for this please

- we want to be able to work out scum's roles. We don't want to tell scum roles that might exist for fakeclaims or for them to figure shit out.

By it's nature the set-up is broken by mass claim if scum don't get safeclaims, we should just be gathering all roles. Besides, scum will do it regardless.

[Not_Mafia]

So we know the set-up better, what you're proposing gives scum more information than us.

[Not_Mafia]

So we know the set-up better, what you're proposing gives scum more information than us.

...

Finding all potential scumroles

Gives scum more information than us


That makes perfect sense 5/7 well done

I think you should reread what I said

[Not_Mafia]

Is her wiki up to date, that seems like far too low a number?

I guess this applies to you too Not_Mafia, but is there any particular impetus that should compel us to gather all roles now rather than later?

We can realistically work out this set-up, doing that going into night 1 could be useful

[Not_Mafia]

Maybe the mod will tell you the game it came from if you ask

[Not_Mafia]

From the mini theme queue

/in Yimmy if hydras are allowed

Indeed they are.

Most roles are mostly based off of roles Plotinus has had in the past!

[Not_Mafia]

So yeah, original plan is best

[Not_Mafia]

So yeah, original plan is best

What is "original plan"?

Finding potential scum roles, although we obviously need to take them with a grain of salt now

I am pretty irritated by this when I signed up to play a game made out of Plotinus' roles and then get a role Plotinus has never had

So you'd feel better if you were a VT :/

What's wrong with VT? I like VT.

This is what you popped up to say?

[Not_Mafia]

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Plotinus

[Not_Mafia]

Finding potential scum roles, although we obviously need to take them with a grain of salt now

Don't bother, is all on wiki, much less effort

Yeah I finally looked at it when Maru asked, I was trawling through his post history before that

[Not_Mafia]

Well someone certainly is a whiney brat

[Not_Mafia]

I like Gorkington. Not feeling any real conviction behind Fire Assassin's accusations/reads, they feel hollow and... slapped together, for lack of a better word

PEdit: Hi Gorkington, I'm good, how are you?

[Not_Mafia]

im playing my standard coy earlygame.
c:
teehee.

not-mafia and maruchan are townleans.
smudger is nulltown.

davslotreplacement can get a healthy dose of paranoia when they get here for how dav opened this game.

I find this strange you have so many reads this early into the game.
I guess they are mostly 'leans' so, not really strong so its w/e.

So you think we should be pushing Davsto because he did a weird opening? Why you not voting them?

I dislike this post in particular, a) Fire is coming out of the gate with relatively substanial content for this point in the game, yet complains about Gork's reads. b) He dismisses his own point in the very next line

[Not_Mafia]

Maybe later, I'm happy with wagoning smudger right now

[Not_Mafia]

Lol, I spend two days looking for this game to begin then it begins and you bastards go ape on my arse

But this post is just so... ewwwwwww

[Not_Mafia]

I don't think Fire needs votes right now, he'll go on his merry way making readable posts, smudger I feel, not so much

[Not_Mafia]

It's only been 8 hours since he posted

[Not_Mafia]

What are you saying "just no" to?

[Not_Mafia]

We've had ~6 pages in ~13 hours, your post just looks like pointless grandstanding

[Not_Mafia]

Are you really that deaf to sarcasm Maruchan?

[Not_Mafia]

Xkfyu wrote:
Yes, I disagree. You're the only one who has really had a problem with his entrance, and you never even voted for him.
i) so youre voting him because "lol a wagon on someone for no reason is fun"?
ii) not-mafia is a person in this game who ive been talking to.
frustrating that it feels like youre not actually reading whats happening in the game.

1. Yes, that was the reason for my initial RVS vote on him. However, I have no reason to believe that he's scum right now, so I fully plan on moving my vote soon.

You certainly are taking your time

[Not_Mafia]

So do you have reads or...

[Not_Mafia]

Smudger/Fire Assassin/?

[Not_Mafia]

Yup

[Not_Mafia]

Are you loving this game?

[Not_Mafia]

Are you really that deaf to sarcasm Maruchan?

>deaf to sarcasm
>deaf
>internet
>sarcasm
>hardest tone of voice to interpret over the internet
Yes, I am the one in the wrong here.
Also, if you're implying that the only content we have from gorkington so far is sarcasm, then my vote STILL stands.

No, not at all. I have trouble believing someone who has been on site as long as you gets this from what I said and can't distinguish non-serious posts

[Not_Mafia]

Gorkington stop being a jerk

[Not_Mafia]

(which was clearly sarcasm)

>clearly sarcasm
>internet
Oh, I forgot that I was playing with a bunch of psychics. No I did not read his post as sarcasm at all. I read it as someone who legitimately has problems with votes on them, and tried to make a joke to make it less obvious he was literally having a problem with people's votes on him

Missed this the first time since it's buried in a quote wall but this is horrible

[Not_Mafia]

is that self-assured bad-old-town or scum though not-maf? because the vitriol reads more like wrong than intentional to me.
also, in other news, aristo is slightly leaning town.
itd be awesome if this turned into a POE game.

Gut says town, but it's like... that bad that I can't commit

[Not_Mafia]

Ether share your secrets

[Not_Mafia]

Okay I'm ready now

VOTE: Fire Assassin

Disappointed that smudger got to lurk off his wagon but feeling increasingly better about FA lynch

[Not_Mafia]

Why are you giving your scumread play advice?

[Not_Mafia]

Ircher opposing this wagon makes me feel better

[Not_Mafia]

It just, makes me more confident it's a scum lynch

[Not_Mafia]

Ircher opposing this wagon makes me feel better

It just, makes me more confident it's a scum lynch

Want to go more into why because Ircher is against it, it makes you more confortable?

Who are you scum reading?
me?
Ircher?
Smudger?

You and smudger, Ircher is my biggest townread

[Not_Mafia]

You and smudger, Ircher is my biggest townread

So you just thin Ircher is way off base then.....
I don't know how you connect Ircher being town to being more confident in this being a scum lynch.....

Those are weird connections.

*Makes connection*
*Says he doesn't know connection*
*Calls connecion weird*

Your posts have more twists than a soap opera

[Not_Mafia]

An ircher read is like a George Osbourne proposal

[Not_Mafia]

I'm townreading the slot mainly based on davsto, he went about his early day proposal in a town way, there was fishing for town cred. I've seen Davsto as scum, and that wasn't it. An ircher's rebuttal was literally just "no null" like half a dozen times. There's nothing to argue against.

[Not_Mafia]

no fishing for town cred*

[Not_Mafia]

You're usually eager to post a case, why not for Iecerint

[Not_Mafia]

HIs first post fo the game was 14 hours ago

[Not_Mafia]

My slots first 2 posts are pretty terrible, why is there no traction on a wagon on me? Suspicious.

There was, I'm still clinging on to the dream

[Not_Mafia]

Sorry, got the flu and starting a new job today, nothing has happened to really change my scumreads on FA AND Smudger slot.

[Not_Mafia]

Sorry, got the flu and starting a new job today, nothing has happened to really change my scumreads on FA AND Smudger slot.

talk at me.
about what you dont like about it.
is it the composition or fa reading town to you?

I don't follow the question, I was calling Fire scum

so I had a huge long post, then the DOD Firewall temporarily blocking access to MS ate it.

Basically showed how ircher's two most recent posts are even worse, and we should all lynch him, and responded to iece's comment about davsto sayign davsto wasnt towny enough to outdo the scummyness or ircher, and pointed out how if davsto had been scum, it coudl explain his earlier claim of a non-plotinus role, as scum are less likely to worry, due to lack of probability of being night killed.

so yeah

ircherscum
lynch it with fire

he's literall y to lazy to even read the game or play it or give us a definitive time when he'll stop being lazy.

(also f you dod level enterprise server firewall)

So lazy is autoscum? My gut still says town on you but do you really think this after 5 years on site?

Still think smudger slot is scum, chamber is definitely posting, but I find none of it compelling, just looks like going through the motions

[Not_Mafia]

By "every time" you mean my last 2 posts?

[Not_Mafia]

I had the third most posts prior to my V/LA, didn't you yourself say I was one of the active players like 2 days ago?

[Not_Mafia]

Okay Ether seriously share whatever script you're using for pagetops

[Not_Mafia]

I don't actually know who's active.

The most active players I would say right now are me, Glorkington, Not Mafia, and Ircher.

So basically you're attacking me for being less active on V/LA

[Not_Mafia]

Are you even reading my response or...

[Not_Mafia]

Why is th Fire wagon collapsing?

[Not_Mafia]

Would prefer a xkfyu lynch if we're hunting off the AD wagon, can't bring myself to join a wagon driven by Fire and smudger slot

[Not_Mafia]

Sorry, got the flu and starting a new job today, nothing has happened to really change my scumreads on FA AND Smudger slot.

Would prefer a xkfyu lynch if we're hunting off the AD wagon, can't bring myself to join a wagon driven by Fire and smudger slot

Your scum read on smudger was based on a random sentence. Chamber replaced, and you say your scum read remains. Putting aside that the entire scum read on Smudger carries zero weight, you imply your scum read has carried over to Chamber. Why?

Is there a reason it wouldn't?

Any reason you'd prefer an Xkfyu lynch?

You literally just quoted the post where I explained why

[Not_Mafia]

Would prefer a xkfyu lynch if we're hunting off the AD wagon, can't bring myself to join a wagon driven by Fire and smudger slot

Not seeing how this is any way says what you just said

[Not_Mafia]

You did remind me though how scummy smudger was, can we get a smudger slot wagon?

[Not_Mafia]

Those were some scumilicious posts, even chamber thought so

[Not_Mafia]

How do you feel about replacing into a scum slot?

[Not_Mafia]

Outta nowhere!

VOTE: Minsc and boo

[Not_Mafia]

Why ruin it?

VOTE: Fire Assassin

[Not_Mafia]

I fakehammer at all opportunities

[Not_Mafia]

Ircher why?

[Not_Mafia]

Let's speedlynch and see what happens

VOTE: Minsc and Boo

[Not_Mafia]

Let's speedlynch and see what happens

VOTE: Minsc and Boo

Yeah.... no.
VOTE: Not Mafia
Blatant scumclaim!

Welp, you got me

[Not_Mafia]

VOTE: Ranger

[Not_Mafia]

VOTE: Xkfyu

[Not_Mafia]

UNVOTE: RadiantCowbells

VOTE: Minsc and Boo

What's with all the scum reads on me?

^scum

[Not_Mafia]

So Xkfyu is your scum partner? Good to know

[Not_Mafia]

Fire and Xkfyu confirmed

[Not_Mafia]

my kneejerk is that minsc is still scum but im trying really hard not to let that drive everything i do this cycle.

not-mafia, i want you specifically to talk about your reads.

Town- Maruchan, Ircher, Fire
Scum- Smudger (I refuse to believe the flip),

Iecerint maybe, there's no one leaping out to me this game and now I don't have Smudger slot to tunnel

[Not_Mafia]

(not to mention a failed hammer)

As oppose to a successful hammer? Remind me who that was

[Not_Mafia]

@Not Mafia
Still mainly Maru's fault.

Explique por favor

[Not_Mafia]

Spoiler:

Ugh.
I don't like Maru's last post.
It feels a lot like a scumbuddy with Minsc post.

I'm not sure how I feel about Ranger probably being right again.

Literally said I had no idea anything going on with the minsc slot and asked for a case on them, becasue I literally can't physically make one myself before the day ends (I had to log into MS 4 times to make this post, thats how shitty my internet is), and said if it was good I'd lynch them as it's a solid wagon forming.


I skipped pages 37 and the first half of 38 becasue ALMOST 50 CONSECUTIVE IRCHER POSTS, learn to fuckign multiquote man goddamn. I can't use cookeis for shit, and the multi quote button does NOT work with my internet connectivity issues, and yet i can piece together a multi quote by NOT BEING LAZY. oh my god.


@ Everyoen sayign they don't want to leave the mod hanging after all the effort they put into this game, etc, you know we were already mod-abandoned once, and a backup mod took it over because ether is awesome. Like this game has been so disheartening that even the mod left it.

I would not take it personally if this game were abandoned, and if it came to it, I'd rather do that than a mass replace-out. If that happened, I could run a micro for whoever's still interested.

VOTE: Ether (this is me saying lets do this.)


IRCHER THREE DAYS FROM DEADLINE ON DAY ONE IN A 14 DAY DEADLIEN IS NOT EARLY LYNCH

OH MY FUCK

oh hey he's l-1

fuck day one

VOTE: Minsc and Boo

damn i miscounted, now he's L-1.

can we end this stupid day already, before mass exodus of replace outs?

more i was goign to replace otu after gork's repalceout, but then he didn't, and the mod offered to abandon game (which I still hope is viable option), and i just want this gameday to be over.

plus i asked for a case on minsc, and unless ircher posted one in his 50-post-spree-of-dumb, nobody posted one for me, but i already expressed interest in the wagon before.

but whatever

VOTE: xk

Can today end yet?

There's no gun to your head

[Not_Mafia]

That vote sucked

VOTE: Minsc and boo

[Not_Mafia]

I need flips

[Not_Mafia]

Please and thank you

[Not_Mafia]

VOTE: Iecerint

[Not_Mafia]

i feel bad for not being on the same level of confidence that other people are for titus being town.
:/

i'll get there if andro probably flips scum.
but in the meantime gahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

This is literally why I hate this game.
I am going to get lynched for terrible reasons then I will still be ignored and Titus is going to win.

Fake

[Not_Mafia]

I don't like town trackers, sorry

VOTE: androgybee

[Not_Mafia]

I don't like town trackers, sorry

VOTE: androgybee

Translation: I don't believe the claim

[Not_Mafia]

Let's fucking do this. Let's see this flip. Let's go, bitches.

~Nahdia

I agree

[Not_Mafia]

I wasn't, but hi

[Not_Mafia]

Wtf is happening?

[Not_Mafia]

This all seems very pointless to fake, but some of andro's posts in their spam rant felt super scum

[Not_Mafia]

VOTE: RadiantCowballs

[Not_Mafia]

This all seems very pointless to fake, but some of andro's posts in their spam rant felt super scum

Please point out those posts.
~Bee

2morrow

[Not_Mafia]

I would be mad at yimmy

[Not_Mafia]

So this is something I think we're all thinking and someone has to be the one to step up and say it

androgybee is a really bad username

[Not_Mafia]

RC I think you should sleep on this whole mod answer thing, there's no way Ether can answer that question

[Not_Mafia]

Hmmmm UNVOTE:

Introspection needed

[Not_Mafia]

VOTE: Iecerint

[Not_Mafia]

I really I had like 5 dayvigs

[Not_Mafia]

Please just do the lynch thing

[Not_Mafia]

At this point, I'd take it

[Not_Mafia]

On behalf of everyone: no

[Not_Mafia]

Because the last few (rl) days have been like 2 dozen pages of aimless unproductive spam

[Not_Mafia]

Ircher don't phunk with my heart

[Not_Mafia]

No

[Not_Mafia]

I don't engage in any deliberate denigration of my towngame to bolster my scumgame or make myself unreadable. I just post with my heart.

[Not_Mafia]

I have trouble articulating reads a lot of the time

[Not_Mafia]

Ircher, Maruchan, Aristophanes
Fire Assassin, Gorkington, androgybee
Roshar, Titus, RadiantCowbells
Iecerint

Hmmm now that I look at things I have too many town reads

[Not_Mafia]

isnt it frustrating not being able to generally be able to drive the gamestate though?
if everyone is being dumb/wrong and you cant articulate your reads, doesnt that prevent you from getting shit done/wouldnt that be annoying?

It's not that I find it to be wrong/dumb, what I said before was probably overly harsh, there's just nothing that stimulated me

[Not_Mafia]

And making the discussion stimulating is easier said than done, especially with the just sheer volume

[Not_Mafia]

You nailed it Ircher

[Not_Mafia]

I can see Roshar scum regardless, I can't recall anything about him off the top of my head

I was surprised by Fire Assassin's main, though I probably shouldn't have been

[Not_Mafia]

It's posts like that that make me rethink my read

[Not_Mafia]

Hmmmmm no

[Not_Mafia]

VOTE: Iecerint

[Not_Mafia]

Iecerint/Roshar?

I am on this train

[Not_Mafia]

That's 3 minutes

[Not_Mafia]

Oh glory be, oh happy day

[Not_Mafia]

VOTE: Roshar

[Not_Mafia]

UNVOTE:

[Not_Mafia]

Did ircher claim to have blocked someone?

Up for massclaim, would be up for Gork starting a popcorn

[Not_Mafia]

Im pretty sure RC is town this game.

Ircher's first post after night 1, where there was only one kill

RC claim

[Not_Mafia]

titus wheres your vca. why are you voting in mylo and putting someone at l-2 without a massclaim? ughhhhhhhhhh.

Where's my scum flip?

There's five alive. How is this mylo?

There's 8 players and likely 3 scum...

[Not_Mafia]

RC/Roshar/Titus

is my bet

[Not_Mafia]

We lynch town, town dies, that's 6 players with 3 scum = scum win

[Not_Mafia]

Okay yep

VOTE: Radiant Cowbells

[Not_Mafia]

The game doesn't solely use Plotinus roles, we established that early on

[Not_Mafia]

I like 99% sure RC was roleblocked n1, his continued andro push yesterday was garbage, his claim was garbage

@mod Can roles which were previously held by Plotinus have their alignment changed

[Not_Mafia]

Guys games are supposed to be fun

[Not_Mafia]

Everyone compliment the person below them on the playerlist

[Not_Mafia]

I don't see anything on her wiki, but the game includes roles Plotinus hasn't had, so it's still possible

[Not_Mafia]

RC/Roshar/Aristo

[Not_Mafia]

He just really bugs me.

Well that's not very nice

[Not_Mafia]

All the non voters vote or do something of interest

[Not_Mafia]

Vote me?

[Not_Mafia]

Not Mafia, why should I think you're town?

dance dance dance

All the non voters vote or do something of interest

How did you miss my post?

I didn't miss it

[Not_Mafia]

Bulletproof Townie

[Not_Mafia]

I say it as scum because it's what I'm saying as town.
I thought NM was scum before he claimed bulletproof. it just exarcebated my scumread.
Further, I don't recall seeing bulletproof in the list of Plot's roles.

Well about that

[Not_Mafia]

I tried at first to be

active

but then the game went down the shitter

[Not_Mafia]

Realistically I'm never getting NK'd i this playerlist

[Not_Mafia]

OKay I ISO'd you

VOTE: Roshar

[Not_Mafia]

Anytime

[Not_Mafia]

You can't see why we wouldn't want that in lylo?

[Not_Mafia]

You executionise RC

[Not_Mafia]

It's not that he's demanding you follow him, it's just objectively right that your ability should be used before LyLo, you concedes that in your previous post

[Not_Mafia]

Attitude seems more disaffected town though

[Not_Mafia]

You executionise RC

holy fuck you scumlord.

Yes I was 100% serious

[Not_Mafia]

FA's role matches the one from Plot's game

[Not_Mafia]

OKay I'm SK, I'll be your hired vig

[Not_Mafia]

9-3-1 is still possible, lynch me and you could lose

[Not_Mafia]

None of the claims told scum who killed Ranger and Maru, so they knew there was an SK but not who it was

[Not_Mafia]

Because that was the safeclaim the mod got me

[Not_Mafia]

gave*

[Not_Mafia]

I thought having a specific game to reference would give it more credibility

[Not_Mafia]

1-Shot BP SK, I also enable the voice of reason thing that no one is using

[Not_Mafia]

Do you think I'd think I'd be shot at as scum?

[Not_Mafia]

Thank you Ether for sticking with the game