Mini 1781: Plotinus Mafia: Game Over

[Not_Mafia]

Spoiler:

Ugh.
I don't like Maru's last post.
It feels a lot like a scumbuddy with Minsc post.

I'm not sure how I feel about Ranger probably being right again.

Literally said I had no idea anything going on with the minsc slot and asked for a case on them, becasue I literally can't physically make one myself before the day ends (I had to log into MS 4 times to make this post, thats how shitty my internet is), and said if it was good I'd lynch them as it's a solid wagon forming.


I skipped pages 37 and the first half of 38 becasue ALMOST 50 CONSECUTIVE IRCHER POSTS, learn to fuckign multiquote man goddamn. I can't use cookeis for shit, and the multi quote button does NOT work with my internet connectivity issues, and yet i can piece together a multi quote by NOT BEING LAZY. oh my god.


@ Everyoen sayign they don't want to leave the mod hanging after all the effort they put into this game, etc, you know we were already mod-abandoned once, and a backup mod took it over because ether is awesome. Like this game has been so disheartening that even the mod left it.

I would not take it personally if this game were abandoned, and if it came to it, I'd rather do that than a mass replace-out. If that happened, I could run a micro for whoever's still interested.

VOTE: Ether (this is me saying lets do this.)


IRCHER THREE DAYS FROM DEADLINE ON DAY ONE IN A 14 DAY DEADLIEN IS NOT EARLY LYNCH

OH MY FUCK

oh hey he's l-1

fuck day one

VOTE: Minsc and Boo

damn i miscounted, now he's L-1.

can we end this stupid day already, before mass exodus of replace outs?

more i was goign to replace otu after gork's repalceout, but then he didn't, and the mod offered to abandon game (which I still hope is viable option), and i just want this gameday to be over.

plus i asked for a case on minsc, and unless ircher posted one in his 50-post-spree-of-dumb, nobody posted one for me, but i already expressed interest in the wagon before.

but whatever

VOTE: xk

Can today end yet?

There's no gun to your head

[Ether]

Day 2, Votecount 2

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1 Maruchan (Ircher)
1 Minsc and Boo (Iecerint)

9 Unvote (androgybee, Aristophanes, Fire Assassin, Gorkington, Maruchan, Minsc and Boo, Not_Mafia, RadiantCowbells, Roshar)

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.
The deadline is in (expired on 2016-05-02 18:00:00), or on Monday, May 2nd at 6:00 pm EDT.

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[Aristophanes]

Alright, I've gotta get reading back. This isn't going to turn out well if everyone remains apathetic all game!

[Gorkington]

ari.
if you dont get reads soon.
im gonna put you in the scumbin in spite of your rep.

[Aristophanes]

ari.
if you dont get reads soon.
im gonna put you in the scumbin in spite of your rep.

:'(

[Roshar]

k, so let's summarize a few people

Maru

- he's been placed on a few lists on the scummy end and I just want to reiterate that he's a town read for me. A lot of arguments he had on Ircher and Gork earlier were really far-fetched but I'm with him on a few points. And those are about notmafia and Ircher.

His recent vote on Minsc, apathy towards end game (yeah, I agree with RC in that respect), and vote on Xfyu only when he started getting accused of being his partner, i.e, he didn't have much interest in pushing that lynch, but once he started getting accused of being his scumbuddy he was all, "screw it, lets get this moving' reaffirms this. Like, if anyone should be analyzed for his end of day vote on Xkfyu it should be Ircher. The fact that Ircher is even going back and trying to accuse Maruchan of this is extremely suspicious. The more he pushes Maru, the worse he looks.

Notmafia

, bah. Like what even. His smudger tunnel, is that a role or past history with smudger? If not, I'm not entirely sure what he's doing. Why would scum act so...unabashedly in terms of in your face, "smudger is scum", or his fake Minsc hammer. I'm giving this slot way too much playstyle leeway. We've reached that frightening point when a player cannot be held accountable to what they've said or done b/c of their playstyle.

Ircher

. I retract my town read. Ever since the post where he stated he never read the case on Gork and voted for Fire Assassin b/c he assumed there was a case. What's the logic behind sheeping a wagon your top scum read is making without bothering to properly read it? Had you actually read it and found Fire scummy for it that would have translated to something else entirely.

The more recent stuff I find really off was articulated by Fire Assassin in 1040 1044. His unwillingness to lynch Minsc and Boo, despite showing willingness in 958. Like he jumped to Maruchan, then was really unwilling to go for Minsc, and only after much convincing from Fire Assassin did he vote Minsc, which he quickly changed to Xkfyu despite never having a scum read on Xkfyu. For someone who keeps asking for reasons for reads, I find it hard to believe you would vote someone without scum reading them. This was your read on X

X (-40%) - Tbh, I don't really understand the scumread here. A lot of this slot's stuff is null imho.

Also, why no hesitation on jumping on the Xkfyu wagon, despite your major scum read (Maruchan) being the one who brought Xkfyu to L-1?

VOTE: Ircher


The second person on the wagon who showed similar unwillingness for Minsc but easily jumped on Xkfyu was Aristophanes.

So, yeah, those two.

And yes, I understand that this is heavily based under the assumption the Minsc does flip scum, but still iffy as hell.

[Maruchan]

Are you guys happy you told me to switch to xk hmm?

anyways catching up since start of day phase. will post thoughts when iget internet access back tonight

(So where's all them people saying my vote for minsc was scumclaim as xk's scumpartner? you all still think me and him are partners? cuz we are.)

[Ircher]

Aristo brought X to L-1. I jumped cuz it looked like Maru was trying to mislynch Minsc via quickhammer, failed, and then went to try to bus his partner,

[Ircher]

Ranger was definitely a skill snipe and the only reason Im still alive.

[Ircher]

If I dont get mislynched today (or tomorrow), Id prob be next on the NK list cuz of what Davsto did.

[Aristophanes]

Ranger was definitely a skill snipe and the only reason Im still alive.

So you think Ranger dying is the reason you haven't been lynched? I don't get it..

[Ircher]

No, not nk'd

[Roshar]

Ircher stop trying to do whatever the hell you're doing please.
We're lynching Minsc or Xkfyu. If Aristo's scum he'll get lynched eventually the way he's playing.
I'm not wasting a d1 lynch on him.

Well, out of those two, I prefer Minsc:

VOTE: Minsc

So we see this ^

Then we see this:

Ok.
VOTE: X

Hammer -- As I stated before,

I was fine with either lynch

(though I kinda prefer X right now cuz of all the things that are happening on the Minsc wagon).

Where exactly did you ever state you were fine with an Xkfyu lynch?

[Roshar]

You've consistently stated you're fine with a Minsc lynch (you'd even prefer a Minsc lynch over an Xkfyu lynch), but when it comes time to it you never vote the guy.

[Ircher]

On the contrary, did I ever state I wouldn't be ok? Nope.

I'll find the auote later.

[Roshar]

I no longer buy what Davsto did. Saying not all the roles are from Plot's previous roles 1) cannot be disproved and 2) isn't really AI.

And your two scum reads were on the Xkfyu wagon. Minsc had jumped on it, followed by Maru, who had brought X to L-2 (I stand corrected). Like, to say the reason you hammered was b/c it looked like Maru bussing their scum partner when you had no prior read on X....for someone who was being very careful about a Minsc mislynch as well, this does not ring true. Why ditch the lynch for someone you actually had a scum read on for someone you had nothing on?

On the contrary, did I ever state I wouldn't be ok? Nope.

I'll find the auote later.

You stated you'd prefer a Minsc lynch over Xfyu. Your read on Xkfyu was that you, "don't understand the scum read on him".

[Roshar]

Did I say you said 'you wouldn't be okay'?


Will wait for the quote.

[Roshar]

If I dont get mislynched today (or tomorrow), Id prob be next on the NK list cuz of what Davsto did.

I'd think this is an excess amount of worry over being mislynched today or tomorrow when you're a big town read among other players.

[Maruchan]

So let me get this straight.

First, you BLATANTLY tell me part of your read on me is an OMGUS.

Then, I vote Minsc because i want the stupidest day in the history of mafia to end, and so i don't replace out due to apathy (I thought this game was going to be much more fun based on the variety of plot roles, but it looks like it's a standard balanced setup that has an overabundance of VT's).

You take this as me, claiming scum, due to an unwillingness to vote my partner xk. EVEN THOUGH you've MULTIPLE TIMES stated you think minsc is scum and is a preferable lynch of the two between him and xk. So you are basically saying you believe the game to be a 3/9 scumteam, and you're team-hunting ON DAY ONE (scumteam hunting over scumhunting is still the worst thing in the history of scumhunting, on day one is worse, and the way you do it is abysmal).

I say IDGAF nobody is making a case on either of the main wagons, and my prefered lynch (ircher) is not getting lynched. I get called scum for not voting xk. I switch votes to xk

You propose this means I'm busing my partner, EVEN THOUGH YOU ALREADY ESSENTIALLY THOUGHT MINSC WAS SCUM, so you think I DOUBLE-bussed BOTH my partners. And hammer xk

xk flips town

You're huge reason maruchan is scum, because he is xk's buddy who bussed him and didn't vote him and whateverthefuck IS SHOT TO PIECES DUE TO HIS VT ROLE

so you propose minsc and maruchan are still scum.



how does nobody else see how horrible ircher's play is this game?

[Ircher]

Maybe my play has been poor this game.

[Ircher]

I want to hear RC's thoughts.

[Ircher]

Though seriously, PL me tomorrow if ya gonna do it at all.

I am 100% fine with lynching Minsc and Boo, you scum read them. Then you unvote.

You either:
A) Don't have an actual scumread on Minsc
B) Scum that don't want to lynch them yet.
C) Bad town.

and E. Dont have a super strong scumread on either and be fine with lynching both

*Proof with context

[Roshar]

This is about Minsc. If by 'either' you mean Xkfyu as well, then I'm

really really surprised

b/c you never actually mentioned Xkfyu prior to this.

Let's go back and see your responses when people voted/scum read Xkfyu:

When Not_mafia did:

VOTE: Xkfyu

I'll say it for the 26th time:

Reasons?

When RC scum read him:

I'm not townreading Titus but I just don't feel like hammering her while she's sick

and I'm 100% that Xk is scum at this point.

For the 27th time:

Reasons?

This was you being quite frustrated at people voting/scum reading X without providing reasons. To think you're willing to hammer Xkfyu without a reason of your own, when you obviously care a whole lot about reasons is...surprising.

[Ircher]

Quite obviously, I meant the two main wagons there: X and Minsc.

Alright, so maybe my hammer was kinda opportunistic/poor. But, while I did give a much higher confidence rating in Minsc being scum (in my readlists), those values are relative to my other reads. If most of my other reads are in general pretty weak (which quite a few were), then while it may seem like a huge difference, it's not.

Both wagons were never really given clear reasons for lynching, yet we had to decide between 1 of the 2 (trying to lynch other people was quite obviously not a possibility). So, yes, I kept flip-flopping on which was more likely to result in scum, and therefore, I probably shouldn't have hammered.

Nonetheless, I did give a reason, even if weak, as to why the last-minute switch to hammer: Maruchan votes Minsc (thinking it was a hammer), realizes its not a hammer (and it reads "oh no, this quickhammer attempt failed"), and then switched back to X, who had a high chance of being Maru's buddy, but not definite. The failed hammer made me feel that Maru had confirmed Minsc as town, so therefore, I voted the other wagon and hammered.

[Fire Assassin]

I have several problems with Ircher. Like mentioned either, his move from Minsc to Xkfyu was ridiculous. Then he backs up his move by saying he doesn't want to end the day early. Then he ends the day early three pages later. I know I wanted to end the day early, but its so bad for him to just go for Xkfyu lynch of literally no comments made about them almost all day.

VOTE: Ircher

Ircher was one of my strongest townreads, he might just be bad bad town. I don't know, but his actions deserve this lynch.