Mini 1781: Plotinus Mafia: Game Over

[RadiantCowbells]

I can't keep up with this game if it's going to be moving at this pace right now.

AB is still scum. Iecerint may be scum but the voting patterns suggest otherwise.

[Ether]

Day 2, Votecount 30

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4 Iecerint (Aristophanes, Not_Mafia, androgybee, Roshar)
2 androgybee (RadiantCowbells, Iecerint)
1 Ircher (Titus)

4 Unvote (Fire Assassin, Gorkington, Ircher, Maruchan)

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.
The deadline is in (expired on 2016-05-02 18:00:00), or on Monday, May 2nd at 6:00 pm EDT.

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[Gorkington]

AB is still scum.

if i vote AB this cycle.
and they flip town.
im i) not listening to you anytime you say anything with this bravado again this game.
ii) im going to be intensely concerned about you being scum and you will probably be lynched before we get to endgame.

do you accept both of these terms?
or do you want to actually try to lay out a case on andro?

[Iecerint]

@Ari, she didn't sober up and I had to abandon her.

[Gorkington]

AB is still scum. Iecerint may be scum but the voting patterns suggest otherwise.

also, literally the only scummy person on said wagon is andro.

[Maruchan]

Mod, I'm likely going to need repalcement. My internet can not be fully relied upon coming up here in a short time. I'm sorry. I want to stay and not make life harder for you, but i don't want to flake from the game on you either. <3

Don't think you saw this mod, and considering our pre-game discussion about my stability of internet access wanted to make sure you weren't just waiting on me thinking i lost access temporarily.

(PS: that short time was literally <24 hours later. I haven't had internet for the past 2 days, and will likely be spotty for the forseeable future)

[Iecerint]

AB is still scum. Iecerint may be scum but the voting patterns suggest otherwise.

also, literally the only scummy person on said wagon is andro.

Eh. Roshar could be scum if andro flips scum. Though I wouldn't push her otherwise.

NM I put in the same box as Maru.

[Iecerint]

But less sure of townieness I guess.

[Gorkington]

i actually had a similar feeling about roshar/andro being a possible thing.
distressing.
q.q

[Not_Mafia]

I can see Roshar scum regardless, I can't recall anything about him off the top of my head

I was surprised by Fire Assassin's main, though I probably shouldn't have been

[Titus]

I could lynch Iec if I had to. I feel really frustrated by seeing all the Ircher is town when he's outright admitting he's scummy. I'm not sure Iec is town but I really want Ircher lynched. Iec asking only about when I doubted Gork is just :/ out of everything that happened, that's the only thing he commented on is my brief doubting of Gork in my head when he was going at RC?

Ircher's still obvscum but :/

[RadiantCowbells]

Yes. it's the androgy vote and androgy's vote on them. Are you forgetting that the original case was based on associatives between them?
Frankly in terms of play AB has been shit all game. The only reason that people are townreading them is unverified info about a claim and AtE.
I think that Nahdia would have no issues pulling out all the stops AtEing me to try to impress me. It's a similar situation to FA.
I don't /know/ whether Nahdia would go to FA level lengths AtEing as scum. But I'm strongly inclined to believe that she would. I don't know.
And frankly with how bad her and beeboy's play has been I would lynch them before LyLo anyway, so it might as well be today.
I can barely read this kind of kicking and screaming from FA. I certainly can't read it from Nahdia.

Which is to say, am I 100% sure that they're scum? No. If I was I'd have said that.
I'm incredibly wary of the fact that my case was predicated on Iece/Androgy and now their interactions don't seem like partners.
But it's still a better lynch than any other we have, in that it 1) is highly likely to hit scum, 2) is targeted at someone who is getting lynched before LyLo if I'm alive long enough and who I will have strongly advised lynching if I'm dead, and 3) cleans up a ton of mess.

I still think Gorkington/Androgy makes a ton of sense. I don't like his play today whatsoever.

[Gorkington]

i would probably be hard-defending andro if i was scum with them.
but sure.
lets pretend i would waffle like a dufus on a scummate because man im bad and i like attention on myself.

[Titus]

Look, RC I'll reassess if you're dead, but I don't think AB is scum. There's too much of "when AB flips town" talk and zero talk of them flipping scum. It's a nagging flag that says AB is town and that people are justifying the wagon rather than AB actually being scum.

Ircher, and to a lesser extent, Iec feel more scummy and you're not exactly assessing them just stating AB is scum.


Where do you get Gorkington scum from? I'm not seeing it.

[RadiantCowbells]

You expressed interest but stopped me from pressing my advantage when they were being scumfucks.
Then Nahdia started AtEing like crazy and came up with a batshit watcher claim and you backed off.
And yeah, you're pretty hard defending them to me. I'm sure you know that saying shit like 'NEVER GONNA FOLLOW YOUR LEADS AGAIN' is a stronger deterrent for me than 'I THINK THEY'RE TOWN THOUGH!'

[androgybee]

I don't have problems pulling out AtE. Objectively I don't like to, but it's an instinctual reaction. Once I cooled down a bit, I looked at the game more objectively. You seem to be ignoring that detail. I'm sorry that I "kicked and screamed", just read it as null. I would do it as scum, I did it as town. It's just me on a personal level as much as I dislike it about myself.

I don't really think my play has been bad aside from the Ranger track. I was completely disinterested in this game after day 1 so yeah, I botched targeting and ended up just agreeing to track someone who I don't have faith in my ability to read. Oh well. I promise to put a lot more into my tracks in the future.

~Nahdia

[Gorkington]

im getting grumpy.
lets try this game again tomorrow.

p-edit: youre not the only person in this game.
regardless of whether im stopping the andro lynch, im certainly not being clear about my stance on them and being sketchy af about it.
if they were to ever flip scum, it would look awful on me.

i play survivalistic as scum.

i want to survive to the end.

and i want to bring my scummates with me, but if i cant, i want to seem too overblown in my defense to be a scummate.

thats my MO.

this game im trying to figure shit out. a tracker claim is scary and i dont have much meta to look up of nahdia as scum under hard-pressure.
im also wary of you. for various reasons. including the non-stop shade youve been slinging at me since D1.
if you were scum, i would expect you to be driving the game the way you want to drive the game. and you upping the rhetoric once andro claimed tracker set off all kinds of alarms in my head.
is andro possibly scum?
sure.
am i comfortable enough with what youre doing right now to pursue that?
not really.

[Titus]

I don't have problems pulling out AtE. Objectively I don't like to, but it's an instinctual reaction. Once I cooled down a bit, I looked at the game more objectively. You seem to be ignoring that detail. I'm sorry that I "kicked and screamed", just read it as null. I would do it as scum, I did it as town. It's just me on a personal level as much as I dislike it about myself.

I don't really think my play has been bad aside from the Ranger track. I was completely disinterested in this game after day 1 so yeah, I botched targeting and ended up just agreeing to track someone who I don't have faith in my ability to read. Oh well. I promise to put a lot more into my tracks in the future.

~Nahdia

I don't consider that a bad track.

I get tracked/copped/whatever all the time because I am an enigma that people do not try to read because that requires assuming I play the game rather than kissing ass. So when I see a track because I can't read them, I'm like meh ok whatever. It's not like a D1 track is likely to hit a kill anyway. The only concern I have about it is that "I tracked the dead guy".

[Gorkington]

and yes, i realize that all of this is moot because im pretty self-aware.
whatevs.
im not getting mislynched this game.

[Iecerint]

I could lynch Iec if I had to. I feel really frustrated by seeing all the Ircher is town when he's outright admitting he's scummy. I'm not sure Iec is town but I really want Ircher lynched. Iec asking only about when I doubted Gork is just :/ out of everything that happened, that's the only thing he commented on is my brief doubting of Gork in my head when he was going at RC?

wat

[Iecerint]

There's too much of "when AB flips town" talk and zero talk of them flipping scum. It's a nagging flag that says AB is town and that people are justifying the wagon rather than AB actually being scum.

Who's saying that?

[Iecerint]

Titus, when did you decide that andro was town?

IIRC you only voted away from andro because you were frustrated with players not voting for andro (which I took as you wanting to explore stuff before lynching andro).

It is also weird to me that the trend of "players vote Titus and Iec" has continued since you mentioned it earlier (with Roshar), but that's coincided with you finding me scummy.

[Ircher]

@Ice
There is a case against you, you know?

[Iecerint]

@Ice
There is a case against you, you know?

Cases are bullshit. The point of cases is that they can give insight into how a person is thinking about the game.

Titus mad a IecTown case at a time when it was inessential to her earlier today. Nothing has changed since that time AFAIK.

If you're saying that Titus made or explicitly endorsed a case at some point after that and I missed it, ya that would help me interpret what's up. But otherwise, nah.

[Ircher]

VOTE: Ice
Still like this lynch:

L-1

unless I'm mistaken (definitely not a hammer)