In post 12, Robert2424 wrote:I'm here, just barely. I'd vote for Jake, cause I don't trust him, but I'm leaving town in a few hours.....
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In post 12, Robert2424 wrote:I'm here, just barely. I'd vote for Jake, cause I don't trust him, but I'm leaving town in a few hours.....
Zachstralkita wrote:toolenduso wrote:
In post 55, Keyser Söze wrote:I'm pretty sure Dunnstral is not being "serious" - you're not feeling/seeing that care-free sarcastic vibe?
I do now, yeah. It's become more clear. At the time my thought was that the posts were either jokes or baiting.
Dunn's become a townlean.
@Dunn that's white privilege at it's finest buddy how do you feel being an undertone of oppression?
Tyler the Creator wrote:meh, i don't know why but i expected you to have some kinda soul read on zach by now cuz my impression is you've played a lot together but that's fair
i wanna say town but it's completely gut
actually got some townvibes from jaack's 13 - i mean yea if robert is legit going vla then voting him for not voting isn't great - but i think the flippancy there feels town if that makes sense
bonus points because i thought robert's entrance was awkward too
it'd be cool to know why out of everyone he thought jake was the most untrustworthy before i go more into it this though
In post 59, xyzzy wrote:my question in 34 was because Dunnstral had a few specific choices early on that showed a deliberate pattern—for one, there was the "this isn't an rvs vote" wording, which obviously means something, even if it's not possible yet to tell you it means. the "interesting" behavior I noted in 42 could go either way, depending on what else Dunnstral does today.
In post 62, Tyler the Creator wrote:also keyser, did you not find it notable that im leaning town on jaack for about the same reason you're voting him?
In post 54, Tyler the Creator wrote:actually got some townvibes from jaack's 13 - i mean yea if robert is legit going vla then voting him for not voting isn't great - but i think the flippancy there feels town if that makes sense
In post 54, Tyler the Creator wrote:bonus points because i thought robert's entrance was awkward too
In post 66, Jaack wrote:I DO have a problem with making what appears to be a serious post, indicating suspicion, without voting, particularly at the very beginning of the game when there is very little risk. Being wishy-washy with votes coming out of RVS seems overly cautious. It's offering an opinion without justification or commitment. The feels a bit scummy to me.
I would like to hear why robert singled out Jake as someone not to trust.
In post 68, Jaack wrote:I did find it interesting that multiple players (xyzzy, tool, bins) all focused their early efforts on dunn.I think there is scum in there looking for an easy mislynch.
In post 82, Dunnstral wrote:I have a sneaking suspicion that Keyser is mafia
In post 82, Dunnstral wrote:but don't have anything to back that up
In post 78, Dunnstral wrote:
Zachstralkita wrote:toolenduso wrote:
In post 55, Keyser Söze wrote:I'm pretty sure Dunnstral is not being "serious" - you're not feeling/seeing that care-free sarcastic vibe?
I do now, yeah. It's become more clear. At the time my thought was that the posts were either jokes or baiting.
Dunn's become a townlean.
@Dunn that's white privilege at it's finest buddy how do you feel being an undertone of oppression?
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In post 83, Keyser Söze wrote:In post 82, Dunnstral wrote:I have a sneaking suspicion that Keyser is mafia
In post 82, Dunnstral wrote:but don't have anything to back that up
In post 80, Keyser Söze wrote:
OK - I can understand your reasoning about scum being over-cautious or self-conscience in early D1 play, but I am not seeing that fear/over-concern in Robert2424's opening post. I saw it as a RVS reply to Jake from State Farm's RVS vote.
"offering an opinion without justification or commitment"? - I have never seen this on Page 1 of a game.
In post 13, Jaack wrote:In post 12, Robert2424 wrote:I'm here, just barely. I'd vote for Jake, cause I don't trust him, but I'm leaving town in a few hours.....
Not a fan of this post at all. Hesitant to vote on the first page? With literally the vaguest reason ever?
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Robert2424
In post 31, Jaack wrote:In post 29, iraonavp wrote:
More vague could be just saying that he's voting for "reasons", so that isn't true.
Well maybe not LITERALLLY the most vague but completely useless either way. It doesn't seem to be rvs but it does nothing to help.
In post 66, Jaack wrote:In post 13, Jaack wrote:
This feels a bit jumpy -"vague"/weak is ok, it's early Day 1/RVS. Choosing to vote/not vote with your opening post ismeh(non-alignment indicative).
VOTE: Jaack
I don't have a problem with vague silliness in RVS/page one. I also don't have a problem with not voting page one.
I DO have a problem with making what appears to be a serious post, indicating suspicion, without voting, particularly at the very beginning of the game when there is very little risk. Being wishy-washy with votes coming out of RVS seems overly cautious. It's offering an opinion without justification or commitment. The feels a bit scummy to me.
I would like to hear why robert singled out Jake as someone not to trust.
In other news, Tyler and Keyser both seem pretty town. Initially I though Dunn looked like a vi, thought they have improved contentwise and also look towny.
I will agree that xyzzy's questions in 34 and 40 are bit awkward, although Dunn did seem a bit trollish at the time. Could be scum trying to trap a VI or could be town trying to deal with a loose cannon. Would like to here more about the purpose of those questions from xyzzy.
Retrospectively, don't really like ira's 29. He seems to be taking an issue with my phrasing as opposed to my assertion. Furthermore, he had voted for Robert right after I had.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: iraonavp
In post 72, Jaack wrote:
In post 71, toolenduso wrote:I have a question for you, actually -- have your thoughts on Robert changed?
Nope, still don't like that post. But I find that ira post to be just about as bad, and ira, by virtue of not being vla, is a little more useful place to put my vote right now.
What do you think of Robert?
In post 88, Jaack wrote:In post 80, Keyser Söze wrote:
OK - I can understand your reasoning about scum being over-cautious or self-conscience in early D1 play, but I am not seeing that fear/over-concern in Robert2424's opening post. I saw it as a RVS reply to Jake from State Farm's RVS vote.
"offering an opinion without justification or commitment"? - I have never seen this on Page 1 of a game.
I like playing aggressively at the beginning of D1. At the very least, it gets discussion going, and sometimes you'll get lucky and catch scum.
And I still don't think that Robert's post was an RVS post. I mean you may be right, but it seems serious to me. Not that it really matters because when Robert comes back he can write it off as RVS either way.
In post 88, Jaack wrote:In post 80, Keyser Söze wrote:
OK - I can understand your reasoning about scum being over-cautious or self-conscience in early D1 play, but I am not seeing that fear/over-concern in Robert2424's opening post. I saw it as a RVS reply to Jake from State Farm's RVS vote.
"offering an opinion without justification or commitment"? - I have never seen this on Page 1 of a game.
I like playing aggressively at the beginning of D1. At the very least, it gets discussion going, and sometimes you'll get lucky and catch scum.
In post 66, Jaack wrote:
In other news, Tyler and Keyser both seem pretty town. Initially I though Dunn looked like a vi, thought they have improved contentwise and also look towny.
I will agree that xyzzy's questions in 34 and 40 are bit awkward, although Dunn did seem a bit trollish at the time. Could be scum trying to trap a VI or could be town trying to deal with a loose cannon. Would like to here more about the purpose of those questions from xyzzy.
@zach - top scum read?If it's Dunn then give me your top town read instead.
In post 68, Jaack wrote:In post 67, Zachstralkita wrote:@Jaack It's really early. I'll speak on Dunn later, but I'll say if you start townreading him so easily then I am amused. Hahahahahahahah. I do like how Tyler is approaching things, though.
Could you explain your Tyler read a little more?
As for Dunn I don't exactly see anything that looks scum motivated. Trolly, sure but not particularly scummy.
I did find it interesting that multiple players (xyzzy, tool, bins) all focused their early efforts on dunn. I think there is scum in there looking for an easy mislynch.
Town read on dunn is weak, but I'm not seeing anything to change my mind on it.
In post 79, Keyser Söze wrote:In post 62, Tyler the Creator wrote:also keyser, did you not find it notable that im leaning town on jaack for about the same reason you're voting him?
In post 54, Tyler the Creator wrote:actually got some townvibes from jaack's 13 - i mean yea if robert is legit going vla then voting him for not voting isn't great - but i think the flippancy there feels town if that makes sense
Yea, not feeling the "town vibes", but if you could explain the "flippancy" part a bit more, cheers - are you in effect saying'the vote is too bad to be scum'?
xyzzy wrote:
Tyler is the player I'm getting the strongest town vibes from. Dunnstral, if your opinion of Keyser changes at any point, I'm definitely interested in knowing that. Zachstralkita has managed to talk a lot while saying very little, and I really don't like that.
In post 66, Jaack wrote:Retrospectively, don't really like ira's 29. He seems to be taking an issue with my phrasing as opposed to my assertion. Furthermore, he had voted for Robert right after I had.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: iraonavp
What was the purpose of post 29? And could you explain your Robert vote in 21?
In post 82, Dunnstral wrote:I have a sneaking suspicion that Keyser is mafia but don't have anything to back that up
In post 88, Jaack wrote:In post 80, Keyser Söze wrote:
OK - I can understand your reasoning about scum being over-cautious or self-conscience in early D1 play, but I am not seeing that fear/over-concern in Robert2424's opening post. I saw it as a RVS reply to Jake from State Farm's RVS vote.
"offering an opinion without justification or commitment"? - I have never seen this on Page 1 of a game.
I like playing aggressively at the beginning of D1. At the very least, it gets discussion going, and sometimes you'll get lucky and catch scum.
And I still don't think that Robert's post was an RVS post. I mean you may be right, but it seems serious to me. Not that it really matters because when Robert comes back he can write it off as RVS either way.
In post 93, Jaack wrote:@Dunn
I haven't exactly been pushing super hard on robert. I didn't like the one post he's made and voted him for it. I've explained my thoughts on it whenever someone has questioned it. I get that pretty much no one is agreeing with me (aside from kind of Tyler I guess) but that doesn't mean I still don't find the post in question somewhat scummy.
But I'm not even voting for Robert right now anyway.
As for me "buddying" you, you listed an RVS post and two posts where I called you town. And apparently I wasn't aggressive enough towards you earlier. I wasn't aggressive with you early game because I didn't find your posts serious. Furthermore, there was little reason to engage you when everyone else already was.
As for the bolded thing in post 66 (your bold, not mine) I added it because I was interested on getting Zach to comment on a player who wasn't you, as the majority of his content to that point was about you.
iraonavp wrote:
iraonavp wrote:In post 82, Dunnstral wrote:I have a sneaking suspicion that Keyser is mafia but don't have anything to back that up
Same.
VOTE: Keyser Söze
LOL ok bud
Zachstralkita wrote:Blatant scum. Are you kidding me?
VOTE: Dunnstral