MINI 504- PEGBAM...GAME OVER!

[scotmany12]

Yeah, don't insult me please. I'm not acting like a moron. Your plan does nothing for me, as panzer is scum. I am very confident of this. The fact that you believe the two cop scenario more than the one cop and one lying scum is unnerving to me.

[scotmany12]

EBWOP: Your plan does nothing for us(the town).

[scotmany12]

EBWOP(2): I also see no point in not trying to get someone who I feel so strongly to be scum. Nothing anyone of you people in this game say can make me change my position on it. Panzer is scum in my eyes, and thus I'm going to do my best to get him lynched.

[JDodge]

Yeah, don't insult me please. I'm not acting like a moron. Your plan does nothing for me, as panzer is scum. I am very confident of this. The fact that you believe the two cop scenario more than the one cop and one lying scum is unnerving to me.

You are acting like a moron, and I'll say that as much as I want until you start thinking about things.

I AM NOT IN ANY WAY SAYING THAT I FEEL EITHER SCENARIO TO BE MORE LIKELY.

ONLY THAT WE NEED TO BE AWARE THAT BOTH EXIST.

[distad]

I can't believe that I'm fully in agreement with JDodge... <sigh>

Both of the cops are TOTALLY out today. We could lynch one of them today, but if we catch scum, the other is all but guaranteed to get NKd. If we don't lynch either of them, there's at least *SOME* chance that they'll survive.

[/exasperation]

And, scotmany, if you are SOOO certain that panzer is scum, fine. But if you are right and we lynch him now, you realize there would be almost no chance of your survival, right?

So, let's look elsewhere today. If you die tonight, fine. You probably would have anyway. But if you don't, then you'll have another investigation result and we can proceed further!

Does this make sense?

[scotmany12]

Um distad, stop doubting the existence of a doc. And jdodge, I am thinking about this, and I came to the conclusion that my way is the best way to go. Its fine if you disagree with me, and I have no problem with discussing it with you, except that you keep insulting me. I don't appreciate that, and if you aren't going to be civil during the game then I'm not going to even attempt to discuss things with you.

[scotmany12]

Actually, I think I overreacted with you calling me a moron, jdodge. If you want to do it, thats fine, but that is no way to change my opinion. I was frustrated that you are pushing us both to survive. I honestly don't see us benefiting from it anyway. And I have thought about both of us being cops, and I doubt that. Greatly. Any scum would counterclaim the cop who got a guilty investigation(in this situation I do realize that I "technically" counterclaimed panzer, but I believe I forced him to do this with my hinting).

The way I see it, if we go through with your plan, we will most likely lose two protown roles(unless we catch scum) when we lynch and when the scum kill me during the night. The reason I want to lynch panzer is so their is no confusion for the doc if we have one. He does not have to choose between me or panzer, and can instead protect me until he dies, giving us much more opportunities for me to catch scum.

Now can you please explain what your idea has to offer jdodge. You might have said it before, but can you please repeat it.

[JDodge]

Assuming one of you is a cop and the other is scum, the scum cannot kill the cop without outing themselves. Likewise if there are 2 cops we still get another investigation no matter what.

Make sense now?

[scotmany12]

Yeah, but I can totally see the scum outing at least one member of their team to get rid of the cop. Also, if we have two cops, then I truly want us both to live, but what I see happening is the mafia will kill one of us, while setting up the other one.

[JDodge]

Yeah, but I can totally see the scum outing at least one member of their team to get rid of the cop. Also, if we have two cops, then I truly want us both to live, but what I see happening is the mafia will kill one of us, while setting up the other one.

But we'll

still potentially have one night's investigation

.

[pickemgenius]

Erg0 replaces poppinpuffin

prodding Alsleet giving him a day and a half to post, or PM me for replacement.

[Erg0]

Please hold your applause until the end of the performance.

Reading!

[Erg0]

Ok, I agree that we shouldn't lynch either claimed cop. If one of them is scum, I think it's scot, because there is no damn reason for someone to breadcrumb cop at the start of day 2 just because they got one guilty result. I'm struggling to think of a reason why

anybody

would do that, and all I can think of is a scum rolecop or just a cop who hasn't thought things through. I've learned that assuming stupidity is the path to pain, though.

I'd probably lynch Oman if I had my way (big surprise). He seems to have chosen hoppiness and wackiness to cover for scumminess, probably hoping that his fake dayvig would get him a pass on "too scummy to be scum" grounds. I don't buy it. He also seems to be suspicious of just about every single player.

I don't like this post due to what I said above about cop hints:

Dude. Pretty obvious why he hinted cop, because he got a negative result.

scot couldn't have been less subtle if he hung up a sign saying "I AM A COP". I still fail to see how this could be seen as a good play. d3sisted had a big flip-flop on scant evidence, and Morbuzaan did basically nothing other than throw a blah vote on sammich towards the end of day 1. The timing of this vote is actually mildly interesting, but we'll get to that later.

Vote: Oman

[d3sisted]

In his first couple of posts, when he votes Panzer, he does anyone but hint at cop. Only when he realizes noone is listening to him does he start hinting at power.

[Erg0]

Lies.

Yeah, he is scum. I am certain of that. The jdodge thing was a joke. This one is not.

That was scot's second post of the day, and the only person that had responded to his vote was Oman. I can guarantee if Panzer is scum then the scum knew scot was the cop based on this post, if not sooner.

There's such a thing as trying to persuade people without throwing all of your cards on the table straight away. He didn't even attempt to build a case that didn't revolve around his investigation.

[d3sisted]

Hm, interesting.

I don't necessarily view that post the same way as you do, but it's interesting nonetheless.

[Erg0]

Mysteriousness aside, how do you find it interesting?

[d3sisted]

"No doubt about it. This guy is scum is scum so lets just lynch him."

"Yeah, he is scum. I am certain of that. The jdodge thing was a joke. This one is not."

Well for one thing, I don't think posts like these really give away as much as you say, and I don't see how scum would interpret this as breadcrumb.

[Erg0]

Imagine, for a second, that you are scum. Some townie, with his first post of the day, votes for one of your buddies with little to no reason attached. He then proceeds to say that he is "certain" they are scum and that, in contrast to their previous fast vote, it is not joke. Seems like a pretty obvious cop tell (from the scum's perspective) to me.

[d3sisted]

I can see where you're coming from, but I think scum would more see it as a mere guess. I've only been scum once in mafiascum, so I hardly know how exactly scum think. I mean, what's to say that you're not scum, recounting you initial reactions to Scot's posts?

[PJ.]

What's to say ergo isn't just a more experiance player. I've given up lynching Scot in favor of accepting the 2 cop idea. Desisted and Oman are most likely to be scum. Seems to be pushing scot and giving completely bullshit reasons to do so.

But as I said before Oman has been hoping around like a BB in a shitcan.

[Erg0]

I can see where you're coming from, but I think scum would more see it as a mere guess. I've only been scum once in mafiascum, so I hardly know how exactly scum think. I mean, what's to say that you're not scum, recounting you initial reactions to Scot's posts?

It amazes me just how often people try to make perceptiveness a scumtell.

[PJ.]

QFT

[Oman]

He also seems to be suspicious of just about every single player.

Thats what I am as town, anyone could be scum. I'd be more worried of a player who was suspicious of no-one/ suspicious of all but two or three.

[Erg0]

Suspicion of no-one is also a tell, but pointing fingers willy-nilly just gives you an excuse to vote for targets of opportunity without arousing suspicion.