Mini 1783: GTA 2 Mafia (GaME OVAH)

[shos]

MINE. ALL MIEN.

Deadline is in

(expired on 2016-04-24 00:01:11).

With 13 alive, it takes 7 votes for a lynch.

VC 1.7

Votecount #1.7

BlueBloodedToffee

(2) - FA_Q2, Dragon Knight.

The Banterlords

(0) -

FA_Q2

(3) - BlueBloodedToffee, BlackStar, Code Of Honor.

Dragon Knight

(1) - Ircher

BlackStar

(1) - MagnaOfIllusion.

Code of Honor

(0) -

Ranger

(1) - TheDominator37.

Masquerade

(0) -

Ircher

(0) -

TheDominator37

(1) - Polar Vortex.

MagnaofIllusion

(2) - Ranger, Masquerade.

Polar Vortex

(0) -

A Real Scourge

(0) -

NOT VOTING (2) - A Real Scourge, The Banterlords.

NOTICE:

1. A semi-rule has been added under the 'encryptions' part.
2. Flavor in next VC.

[MagnaofIllusion]

Well, yes, I can understand the doubt. Doesn't mean it's any less valid, though!

See that’s why I have such a problem with your play. Because I absolutely know it isn’t valid. I have my PM. The fact that you are clinging to this stance with every ounce of strength you can muster when the stance is meta (which is generally pretty bad as a source on its own) that isn’t even specific player meta is suspect.

And furthermore this whole back and forth with your doesn’t read at all as a player doing anything that actually amounts to making a read. It is absolutely the play of someone who thinks they need to win debate points. It is why you have dropped issues to the way side that you can’t win points on (for example – my request for you to provide meta for me since you’ve never played a game with me or for you to specifically explain your read on any of Banter / Dom / DragonKnight as you did with BBT instead) and continue to spend an inordinate amount of time debating whether Watcher is a strong enough role for your claim to make you automatically off limits for today’s lynch.

The constant reference to the Wiki is a perfect example – it is like you believe continually appealing to some outside source will win you the points in the debate. Not a single lick of this discussion revolves around why I'm scum. It is especially important that you've Town-read those players who vote for your slot after Jean claimed the Watcher role. Because if you really did think that someone "Going after a strong Town role" was scummy you would not have come to "Uber Town" reads on all three.

I noticed them individually. I did not notice them as a group. If I don't see it in a votecount, then I don't think about it. There was no announced wagon. A wagon must have existed, but I didn't take note of it.

And you are once again dodging the important point. It is not that there is some wagon. It is that those three players voted you individually for reasons that at best are borderline valid. Yet you don’t bat an eye or even consider them as possible scum using bad reasoning to vote you as “obvious scum”. You consider them unimpeachable Town. And that absolutely does not fit with a Town mindset.

When will you learn that if I ever engage someone this heavily, they're probably scum?

But this … this is what seals it for me. Appeal to Proficiency. You can’t articulate anything in terms that isn’t broad generalizations and thus go to the “I’m good so sheep me” well.

VOTE: Ranger

[MagnaofIllusion]

I’m certainly willing to compromise on Dom as deadline approaches. If only because 481 and 549 I see signs of scum inadvertent slip and a scramble to cover. And I’ll certainly move back to Blackstar if that wagon gets any momentum.

What is your case on ARS - there is much more content there and I have not been reading him as scummy.

Point me to the content posts you feel ARS has made. Because her ISO seems pretty much active-lurker to me. This page’s posting shows exactly why I think that. Banter with Ircher about Dom’s obvious joke post about Ircher being Dom’s alt as opposed to scum-hunting.

[Dragon Knight]

Oh, is this a Ranger wagon reforming? Perfect! Our first choice.

VOTE: Ranger

-L'apporteur du feu

[Ircher]

I like the Code wagon better tbh, esp. when the Dragon wagon has no traction
VOTE: Code

[Dragon Knight]

Dragon wagon has no traction because scum doesn't want to be connected to a wagon when cop flips.

[Polar Vortex]

Two wagons I have absolutely no interest in. Can we go back to compromising on Dom? Yeah, Blackstar, it's not really what he's done but what he hasn't done. Still, his posts don't seem genuine to me at all and like I said, that sarcasm thing was really jarring

Bearbert

[BlackStar]

VOTE: ranger

[MagnaofIllusion]

Two wagons I have absolutely no interest in. Can we go back to compromising on Dom? Yeah, Blackstar, it's not really what he's done but what he hasn't done. Still, his posts don't seem genuine to me at all and like I said, that sarcasm thing was really jarring

Bearbert

Ok then help me out here - have you read the back and forth Ranger and I have had? If so please let me know what you see in our interaction that screams Town to you. Or what point I am making you think don't hold up. Or if you haven't please do so.

[Ircher]

Either we lynch Dragon or we lynch Code.

Ranger will surely be sorted out tonight.

[The Banterlords]

I am soooo clueless this game. Titus hasnt given her read on me
all wagons suck.but.dom imo
dwlee

[Dragon Knight]

Either we lynch Dragon or we lynch Code.

Ranger will surely be sorted out tonight.

Ranger won't be sorted out if you lynch me. Ranger will be sorted out if you lynch her.

[Ircher]

Ranger generally gets nk'd anyway as town, so thats why. I dont know your skill level though.

Join me on the Code wagon, pls.

[Polar Vortex]

Didn't follow it closely since I'm not interested in lynching either of you today. But a lot of what you dislike about her seems like personality. I'm also annoyed by the constant references to the wiki, but I see it as townish. Like that seems to me like a town mindset, going back to some established rules to put some order into chaos. I don't agree with her but I can see where she's coming from.

I also felt you misunderstood the point about you sounding like somebody else. She tried to describe your playstyle in a manner that made sense to her, not attempt to use meta against you(like she accused you of having a certain distanced playstyle that was similar to somebody else, not because you sounded like somebody else and he was scum). That whole arguement was semantics and really minor(and annoying to read)

I think you scumread her for the same reason that you scumread Blackstar: because you don't like their playstyle. Whether this is intentional(as in attacking stuff that you objectively think it's bad so you can look town) or it's your playstyle I can't tell at the moment. I agree her townreading the people voting her was strange but I don't find that suspicious(and I think Snow has talked about this). But if you examine the motivation it looks firmly town from my standpoint.




Eta: lynching Code is stupid. I don't think you've given any reason for that ircher. And we aren't going to do that


My preffered lynches would be Dom>ARS>BBT>FA_Q. I haven't talked about FA_Q, but the reluctance to talk anything other than BBT and I don't like him from a gut standpoint


Bearbert D

[Ircher]

Nope, I havent. I havent finished catching up, plus you guys are somewhat difficult to follow

[Polar Vortex]

Ranger generally gets nk'd anyway as town, so thats why. I dont know your skill level though.

Join me on the Code wagon, pls.

And that's an idiotic thing to suggest. She isn't going to get NK-ed, not with being one of the primary suspects today.

Bearbert

[Polar Vortex]

Nope, I havent. I havent finished catching up, plus you guys are somewhat difficult to follow

Then don't expect people to join you on the wagon? If you weren't a recent replacement I'd consider you a very strong candidate for a compromise lynch


Bearbert

[Ircher]

Sheesh..... When I catchup, Ill decide on what person I want to lynch. Just wanted to see where this was going.

[Dragon Knight]

Ranger generally gets nk'd anyway as town, so thats why. I dont know your skill level though.

Join me on the Code wagon, pls.

Well, Titus considered me her "protégé" for a time. Not to toot my own horn, but I like to think that my unorthodox PlayStyle catches scum pretty often.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Should probably lynch PV after FA flips scum.

[Polar Vortex]

Should probably lynch PV after FA flips scum.

I see OMGUS is your only trick like expected

Bearbert

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Yep.

It's all I can do. Don't know how to fake scum hunting.

[Code of Honor]

Hey Ircher, what are your thoughts on the Ranger wagon? You said you wanted to lynch Dragon or Ranger, but now that Ranger picks up you forgot that sentiment entirely.

[Code of Honor]

Two wagons I have absolutely no interest in. Can we go back to compromising on Dom? Yeah, Blackstar, it's not really what he's done but what he hasn't done. Still, his posts don't seem genuine to me at all and like I said, that sarcasm thing was really jarring

Bearbert

You should read his noob game.

[Polar Vortex]

Two wagons I have absolutely no interest in. Can we go back to compromising on Dom? Yeah, Blackstar, it's not really what he's done but what he hasn't done. Still, his posts don't seem genuine to me at all and like I said, that sarcasm thing was really jarring

Bearbert

You should read his noob game.

I was playing in one newbie with Dominator. Initially I had the same opinion but he was a lot more genuine there and I townread him by the time he was lynched

Bearbert