(1765) Star Wars: The Force Awakens [D5]

[Gorkington]

oh hey look im a replacement.

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this is the game where aero was claiming SK!
yeah youre probably gonna have to get lynched sorry aero :c <3

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oh wait youre probably telling the truth.

that makes this more complicated.

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^thats the most questionable post ive read so far.
and ive read one page.

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:/ you dont think him trying to excuse lynching aero based on him being "irrational" rather than him being scum is questionable?

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but given Aero's reaction to RC's play he can't be trusted to act sensibly toward his win con.

like, this is nasty. though im maybe being particularly put off by it because i dont like people talking shit about my friends :c

im gonna stop shitposting until i can actually read now though.
byeeee.

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my point is that it feels more like a lame attempt to push us away from leashing someone by overjustifying the reasons for lynching him. "oh hes irrational he cant be trusted" rather than just "hes scum". thats the sort of reaction i expect from scum who really really doesnt want to deal with a leashed kill.

but seriously though.
bye for now c:

[Gorkington]

[because hes maybe scum trying to make bad excuses for lynching you] ;D hi aero.

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i mean.
i need to know who youre rooting for
me and town or scum and not me!
because flips make it unlikely youre scum messing around with fakeclaim.
if youre just gonna lolkill someone that wouldnt be mislynch bait then id be sad and regret my life decisions.

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you think lyncher and SK and traitor in a 13 player game?

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i'll be angry if it was a hammer.
i at least wanted time to catch up.

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aero can i get some reads in case it was a hammer?

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iuno maybe you could actually look at/respond to my actually articulate post on the matter instead of my joke one.
you get the first ISOdive after dinner.
congrats!

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its too bad im gonna be really town.
:/

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im done page five.
dont hammer pls.

preliminary reads with tons of reasoning that im condensing to make you think im gonna be easy to push later:

town:
aero
lol.

townleans:
snarkysnowman initially was in nullpile even with claim. could see scumhated being a thing in a 4 scum game. i liked one of his interactions later though. i also believe his claim regardless of his alignment.

eagle was really ugly in his argument with aeronaut in a way that made me gag. 90% of the time people who make me gag with shitty interactions with people are town. :/ im vaguely scared of his initial catch-up post style because its kind of like how i used to play as scum? but i think the ugliness of his later posts offsets that.

nullpile:
rc is really weird this game. i dont understand the camn townread at all.
i went from thinking they might be buddies, to thinking camn was buddying him, to being really confused that it seemed like camn was successfully buddying him? theres some town moments here and there, but there are also moments that im just like "what the fuck is going on in this game?"

venmar
you aint done shit. gj.

keyser
im scared of moving this read around right now. i saw a lot of stuff that initially stood out to me as being potentially intentionally showy. like "oh man look at how town im being guys oooOOOOOoooOoo" but reading more into the game im not really sure if thats a playstyle thing or not. i want to metadive him/feel like that would be the right call for me to get a good read on this slot but i really probably wont. shoot. hopefully he starts being obviously something later because he seems influential.

scumleans:
thelonewolf is here mostly because im dumb. i hate the "oh no im caught with this one person :c"-joke. i see it from scum so fucking much. sit in my scumpile you butt.

fullscumread:
camn.
if you read the first five pages of this game and come out of it saying "camn is a townread" then youre a weird weird person or you have some meta bullshit that you need to hit me in the face with really hard [hi rc i hear you have some meta on camn] because literally every post ive read so far has been screaming scum trying to look like theyre doing something townish.

if i missed anyone its probably because theyve been useless so far from what ive read yay.

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page ten get.
changes:

townreads
snarky
keyser

stillscumbutevenmoreso
camn
[difference between amihan's vote on snarky and amihan's vote on camn is striking. like drastically so.
the level of detail and reasoning put into snarky push makes it seem nuanced and overthought.
camn push is just "scum".
i think the difference comes from her being in a different mindset in terms of interactions between the two players.]

i also hate lonewolf saying snarky should be vigged. theres maybe some reasoning for scum wanting to keep snarky alive till later on, but man. just bad.

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oh and rc might be scum.
i probably wouldnt advocate lynching him until day 4 even if i felt particularly confident about that though.

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hi rc i was just talking about you.

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IF Camn is scum...
Trollie is scum.

neat.
if i catch up and disagree im gonna have words for you.

you should probably talk about why your terrifically confident meta-read on her earlygame has devolved into "well here is this relation between these two players" because that seems very un-RC-esque of you.

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oh i think i maybe understand the context now.

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aeroooooo where your readlist be at :c

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People asking for Aero's reads list as if his win con compels him to help town >.>

yeah because he could be lying about his fakeclaim right now but hes probably not.
i hope youre town because i like being condescending to people who are just outright terribly wrong during postgame.

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i wish you were town this game aero.
being on the same side as you is fun.
though im still kind of spiteful for cultbs ;D

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i mean.
i could get your indignantness if i was actively pushing you as a confident scumread, but im not.
so.
no.

venmar is discrediting aero who has no reason to try at this point if he doesnt legitimately want to help town.

p-edit: <3 you jerk

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i hope youre town because i like being condescending to people who are just outright terribly wrong during postgame.

are you trying to be a lower-case typing ass on purpose?

of course.

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i might sig that postgame.

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im more wary of lonewolf for that.
i think venmar has the potential to be abhorrently wrong abrasive town.

P-edit: c:

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i might stop being rude if people start being damn reasonable and let the cycle play out.
im not horrified by the idea of an aero lynch.
quicklynches are shit though.
especially when there are things to discuss!
and im a fresh replacement with a fresh face that is worth poking/picking at.

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what the fuck am I wrong about?

"OH MY GOD EVERYTHING THAT AERO IS SAYING AND ALL OF HIS READS SHOULD BE DISCARDED JUST BECAUSE OF HIS ALIGNMENT OMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOGMOGMOG"
^that part.
now stop being ridiculous.
or im going to stop townleaning you.

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im putting plenty of nuance into this game venmar.
least you can do is try to keep up with "a lower-case typing ass".

Gork should we tell that that we're really masons now?

no way scumbutt.

P-edit: really? you think i want brownie points?
am i scum or not?
if i am make a better case on me than outrageously simple statements because thats literally all im seeing.
i have two catchup posts.
ive given reads.
engage me on them instead of being useless.

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i'm just confused as to why Gork was desperate for it

i hate pointlessly reachy language like this.
yes.
i asked aero to give reads more than once.
because i think hes a good player and i think hes the sort of guy who will genuinely drop sincere reads even as a caught SK and i value discussion with him.

hes done a lot more productivity-wise than you on engaging me.

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:/
i hope keyser's around tomorrow.
id like to condense with him.

@aero, can you talk with me about snarkysnowman?
is there any reason hes sitting at null for you?

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something fun:
scum having an investigative role that determines townvsantitown makes sense in this setup.
especially if there are actually five antitowns [and since there was a traitor].

venmar is maybe town.
snarky might be third party but i dont think hes groupscum.
keyser is town.
im town.
two town flips.

that leaves camn, lonewolf and rc for the remaining 3 antitowns with a maybe outside chance of snarky being some kind of third party.

anen's reasoning for lonewolf being town isnt convincing. a scum neighbor with the same fakeclaim as a town neighbor is literally the most reasonable thing.
lonewolf coasting on it is bad.

im pretty sure we win if we lynch the above pile. probably in that order too.

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though really, i guess my hangup with snarky kind of applies to anyone if third party is a concern. lolol.

oh fuck i just remembered eagle.
he needs to talk more before i can be happy with a lynchpile :c

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Lonewolf

venmar

p much conftown imo

words please.

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says too many buddy buddy things

buddying is fun.

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also hold up, was rc fakeclaiming a guilty on aero or what?
am i missing something?

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:/
rc.

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yeah rc scumclaimed.
if aero is sk he didnt target tails.

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why would rc wonder whether aero was groupscum or third party if hed tracked him to the only kill that makes sense from groupscum?
do the math.
he probably has an investigative role as scum and realized that claim in junction with trollie's claim would lead to him dying, so he changed it.
aero killing traitor makes so much more sense.

I am for reasons already stated by the dead flipped town. I don't know Amenienienasn's meta but he seems to be a more careful player than to say I'm conftown without a solid basis.

and are you aware of these reasons?
because to me it looks like its because of the "he had the same thing in his rolePM as me" which is a laughably bad reason to think youre town.

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like serisouly. if you try and coast off of this to lylo and youre scum, you might as well off me tonight because im gonna be the biggest pain in your side the rest of the game every time you try and push this.

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how is he misinformed.
articulate it.
with words.
>:c

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you seriously expect me to believe that main scumfaction didnt shoot tails.

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more importantly, you seriously believe that camn's reaction to trollie is town? because my eyes are bleeding looking at those reactions.

p-edit: rc talk shit more.
please.
im definitely the kind of person you want to piss off.

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dont make me get to a point where im a fucking asshole.
stop talking garbage.
if im wrong you can talk at me like an adult instead of resorting to being a prick for no reason. i get that its your shtick but man its fucking toxic as hell.

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If I was scum I'd know who he had to have targeted as serial killer. What motivation do I have to lie?

my reasoning is that youd not be a tracker if you were scum.
ive made that really clear.
now get off your high horse without even trying to understand what ive been saying.

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im pretty sure reck is the sort of person who would put in a role like the one trollie has.

THEN why wouldn't I know who WE killed and just name the OTHER person?

okay somewhat valid.
i still think it makes no sense for aero to lie at this point unless hes not actually third party.

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why speedlynch him?
why do you always have to do this absurd "I HAVE TO PROVE I'M RIGHT" shit?
like.
either youre scum trying to force this through without discussion or youre town flailing for literally no reason.
i want to figure shit out.
stop bashing me in the face for trying because its annoying.

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zzzz.
just like.
im not even trying to get you lynched.
im not even suggesting an alternate lynch, nor would i condone a counterwagon to aero at this point.
but if you seriously think im going to trust anything you, as in you, radiant cowbells, claim in a game of mafia, youre seriously expecting me to ignore a LOT of context in terms of how i view how you play mafia.

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and are you aware of these reasons?
because to me it looks like its because of the "he had the same thing in his rolePM as me"

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i mean, the thought that you might actually be mafia fakeclaiming sk is bothering me a little aero q.q i remember pitching that to you and ozgin in 180 as an idea i was considering trying.

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ay reck.
would a traditional lyncher be considered bastard by your standards?

also, aero, i doubt reck would put in a gamestealing non-SK third party, especially not a lyncher that could win on d1 and basically ruin the entire game.

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why is rc a priority lynch in your mind if hes a lyncher?
that makes no sense.

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So, camn's explanation was fucked up by camn herself, because she could have made a viable plea that my action was redirected IF she were like

"uhhh, i dont get why but, uhhh, for some reason i got a message about trollie last night doiiiii"

wouldnt the hypothetical message also be redirected..?

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also if scum have supposedly received your role, why are you hiding it?

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are you absolutely 100% positive that a bus drive wouldnt fuck up anything about what youre saying right now?

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ayo.

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this is my cue to get paranoid again weeeeeeeeeeee.
snarky 100% needs to post or my townread there is going to start wavering.

RC is somehow creeping into my townleans by gut which is disagreeing with how mechanics seem to be laid out right now, but mechanics have never been my strong suit so maybe my early read there was wrong.

i still think camn is scum.

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i dont know if camn being scum makes it worth not lynching aero though.
at the risk of sounding hyper-opportunistic.

i know that if aero is sk [and theres still that scary chance that hes not i guess], theres a decent chance that he would do a solid for town before going out, but beyond camn im not really sure theres anyone that i would want to see killed?
like, the only outright lurker that i feel like would be a waste of time to see run up is snarky, but im worried that my townread was right and hes just checking out of the site.
zzzz.

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VOTE: camn

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i literally dont believe any of the sentiment in any of your posts, sorry.
you should claim.

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3 votes apparently wasnt scary enough.
is 4? or do you need another vote?

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right.
so you say "if youre going to wagon me do it now"
and then when the wagon happens you turn around and point fingers "omg its happening now wtf"
idgaf if you get lynched today, but youre not living past d3.
sorry.

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i wonder why the wagon is happening in the first place.
maybe because we want a claim before youre not here for a week.
shocking, i know.

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i want a camn claim.

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aero is the ideal lynch.
i will bypass that to lynch you if you play this game.

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i mean your role sounds pretty fake but whatever.

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youre playing a game with your claim right now and you know it.
its why youre not making it past D3.

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VOTE: aero
sorry man, this is the right play though
<3
hope to roll a game with you as townmates sometime soon.

lynch camn tomorrow if im dead or i'll scream at all of you from the dead thread so hard.

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im pretty sure aero's last post was a fakeclaim.
which also means he might me mafia and not serial killer.
:/

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vote: venmar

sk hunting time.
guess who overdid the whole "NEVER TRUST A SERIAL KILLER" bit?

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four mafia is too strong imo.

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we could realistically massclaim at this point.
im probably dead if we do though

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lol.

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This is also coming from (you) the dude who was townreading me in the first place.

lonescum reads different than groupscum.

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i think im still into a massclaim even if it puts me in a bad spot.

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tbf tails seemed pretty town to me.

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actually tails was killed by aero.
we know this.

amihan is the unaccounted for kill n1.

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nah rc tracked him.

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theres a part of me that feels like c3p0 is too fake sounding to actually be a fakeclaim :/
im still feeling massclaim/popcorn.

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yup.

do you have anything better to say than just being condescending?
because i personally feel like scum will stand out in a massclaim.

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mine is being a lower-case typing ass.

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in all seriousness though, i want to gamebreak this shit.
trollie is town af so im willing to entertain him questioning people before a massclaim but i want it before we lynch.

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what if reck put sith lord jarjar binks in as a hated third party?

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so many nerds dragging their heels.
hop to it.

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there were guilties on both of them.

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i think the really bad strategy was camn counterclaiming aero.
it says in the OP that scum has fakeclaims.
i probably would have hardpushed that today.

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keyser and eagle are making me nervous with how quiet theyre being :/

why is third party a thing in mafiaaaaaa.

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theres a sk.

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i still think the difference between how amihan treated camn/snarky is a good indicator that snarky isnt mafia.

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since when do traitors not know who their partners are?

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im glad your read on me is essentially "lol im not even trying anymore"

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am i wrong?
"SOMEONE IS CALLING ME SK THEREFORE THEY MUST BE SK"
youre not even trying.

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IF HE COULD DEFECT TO THE FUCKING TOWN AND KNOW WHO HIS PARTNERS ARE THAT'D BE THE MOST STUPID FUCKING ROLE EVER DEVISED AND THE MAFIA WOULD LOSE RIGHT THERE AND THEN

okay this is fair.
you dont need to be an upper case typing ass because something hadnt occurred to me.

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your first point is literally bananas and if you actually believe it then im sorry.
for your second point, a replacement wanting to be caught up and engaged before quicklynching someone is absurd, eh?
i also happen to like playing with aero.
he isnt a dick at me.

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what do you think

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i didnt like the way you were shutting aero down when i thought he was third party.
i guess that makes me look like a fool now but whatevs.
if i was dickish its because you were being overly simplistic about the situation we were in and shutting down conversation where i wanted it.

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i guess i just also find it hard to believe that thered be four mafia and a serial killer. and i know theres a serial killer at the very least.

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sorry i dont understand. feel sorry for me ;D

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not that im really doubtful that it happened.
but if thats all it was.
kind of silly that you took so long to claim it. what were you hoping for?

p-edit: im not sk.
and im partially being theatrical today because i was hype as fuck for reasons thatll be clear soon.

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also i like the idea of this game being my first mislynch on this account.
because its probably gonna happen.
oh well!
being vindictive is fun!

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i will admit that a second groupscum faction kind of makes sense to me if venmar isnt fakeclaiming.
but i feel like there isnt enough town power if so and trollie's role seems oriented towards wrecking specifically the redteam, so unless the redteam had super ridiculous abilities, i dont see how that would work balancewise.

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sure.
im chewbacca.
1-shot vig.
i shot camn.

thats why im so confident theres a third party or groupscum because bulge didnt use his shot n1 and two deaths.

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its also why im pretty sure im getting lynched.
because if there is a third party im going to be a valid candidate for it.
oh well!

popcorn eagle.

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why are you asking me.

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i replaced in d2.

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if i was scum i probably wouldnt have shot camn, but i dont really expect that to convince anyone.

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1
shot
vig.
2
deaths
n1.

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i hate how lame my townread on wolf is right now :/

p-edit: use your brain venmar.

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im not saying dont suspect me.
w.e
its probable that i could be SK.
i would be dumb as fuck SK for shooting camn but okay.

but you dont have to think hard to understand why it would be obvious to ME specifically if im town 1-shot vig why theres a confirmed sk/multiball of some kind.

p-edit: i did.

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eagle's up.

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i just gave it.
sorry if im impatient.
i kind of hate playing mafia and ive let our back and forth get me riled up.

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but you dont have to think hard to understand why it would be obvious to ME specifically if im town 1-shot vig why theres a confirmed sk/multiball of some kind.

what do you need me to literally spell it out?
if i killed camn n2.
and im 1-shot.
then i didnt kill amihan or tails n1.
and two kills in one night unaccounted for and probably not coming from a second vig being in the game means..

something.
it means something for sure.
i forget what.

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okay.
theres a tracker.
coptrollie is probs weakspotted by a SK.
therefore, sk and mafia both shot tracker because it was the biggest threat to them.

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and given camn already had a guilty on her, it would make no sense for her to shoot trollie, so killing the other role that can confirm her as scum would be high priority.

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im into waiting for full massclaim before you flip whatever it is that you have to flip trollie.

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gah actually sorry venmar.
im being a dick.
i dont know what your question was for, but it was uncalled for me to be that big of a dick about it.
i had a long week.

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you just conftowned me thanks.
*drops mic*

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well i guess unless you think im scum with camn/aero (which would make my claim hilarious) or eagle is another redscum and im sk?

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was more speaking generally but yeah.
im pretty sure trollie cant be sk.
theres some small chance of multiball thats a little scary, but his play today seems pretty town to me.

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theres a serious part of me that feels like Unkar Plutt and C3P0 are too shitty of fakeclaims to both be scum.
:/

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was not expecting that :/

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just realized flavour of fakeclaims means nothing.
rules says reck randomized a list of characters and dished out characters/fakeclaims via that, so feeling less worried on that front.

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....
you targeted venmar over rc?
what?

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blah.
keyser is probably town.

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id like to ask for a little more time before we lynch snarky.
theres something thats kicking around in my head thats bothering me that id like to mull over.

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thoughts mulled.
nothing came of it.

How about we don't yet though

why?
what exactly are you hoping to derive from this cycle at this point?
theres literally no way youre not getting lynched.
youve dropped reads.
everyone has checked in.
what are you waiting for?

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thanks for carrying.
sorry for being a dink.

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you lowercase typing ass

;D

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hey camn.
it was worth it apparently.

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you would roll that role.