Mini 1781: Plotinus Mafia: Game Over

[Gorkington]

vote: fire assassin

your first mistake.
was.
getting my attention.

[Gorkington]

hi everyone.
i decided to suffer for the sake of my friends.

p-edit: lets stop being in rvs now.
fire assassin wagon please.

[Gorkington]

xkfyu wagon would also be acceptable based on two posts ive read this page.
choo choo chooose.

p-edit: yeah. i like either vote.

[Gorkington]

im playing my standard coy earlygame.
c:
teehee.

not-mafia and maruchan are townleans.
smudger is nulltown.

davslotreplacement can get a healthy dose of paranoia when they get here for how dav opened this game.

[Gorkington]

So you think we should be pushing Davsto because he did a weird opening?

nope.

Why you not voting them?

irrelephant.

your nahdiahydra push is also unconvincingly undedicated.
what happened to your conviction???!?!:

hi everyone.
i decided to

suffer for the sake of my friends

.

p-edit: lets stop being in rvs now.
fire assassin wagon please.

I think this suggests you got a mafia role card.

[Gorkington]

fire assassin.
are you.
an alt?

if yes you should be ashamed, only cowards hide behind a mask.
but you should also tell me.

[Gorkington]

hey nahdia.
even if fire is possibly scum.
being a jerk is uncool.

[Gorkington]

hi not_mafia.
how are you today.

[Gorkington]

Fire Assassin you've made me MAD. if you keep saying ew and acting like a cranky 5 year old, I'm going to start treating you like one

you will probably get treated worse if you go down this route.

[Gorkington]

hey nahdia.
i recently stopped playing mafia because people made games about drama.

how about.
you dont.

[Gorkington]

Gorkington, why you think Not Mafia is town lean?

he seems like it.

hope that isnt troublesome.

[Gorkington]

Hi Gorkington, I'm good, how are you?

im alright.
hoping it stays that way yknow

want to vote fire assassin with me for arbitrary points/want to accept me buddying you right now?

[Gorkington]

aw but he seems like page 1 lynchbait that isnt gonna shake things loose.

[Gorkington]

uninvested early posting is hard to read.

[Gorkington]

town and scum can both be lynchbait.
smudger's opening was awkward and easy to latch onto.
hes not saying much now and probably wont react until momentum has fizzled.

p-edit: pressure is only useful if people are here to be pressured by it, is a sexy point that i stand by earlygame.

[Gorkington]

you win this time.

[Gorkington]

why were half of your points about the slot you replaced.
silly goose.

[Gorkington]

if fire assassin is scum, odds of ircher being scum goes up slightly via my primal gut instinct.

[Gorkington]

i disagree and that focus is borderline boring.
dissect me.
i dare you.
maybe i'll even talk about my davsto comment in more detail if you impress me.

[Gorkington]

meh, ircher is maybe town for the fervor and rigorous nature of last post.

p-edit: actually yeah ircher can be in the townpile.

also if im being frustrating, its probably for a reason.

[Gorkington]

also ether, im very self-conscious about how close i am to being lynched right now.
can i request that fire assassin's vote be moved to its rightful place on nahdia hydra? it makes me nervous being L-5 :S

[Gorkington]

thats cool!
i probably wont let you get lynched this game!

if it makes you feel better, im also almost always town.
i never get lynched though. :s

p-edit: thank god.

[Gorkington]

Ans this is relevant because? Also, people can do what they want; if they want to use an alt, so be it; it's not your place to criticize.

oh and because i dont want you to think im entirely a bad person.
gorkington is my fun alt that i play mafia on.

[Gorkington]

Glorkington while still being semi-new is playing into these interactions too much.

did you know that i got a scummy for being on the best town for 2015?
that's probably something else that you can use to scumread me for my too bad to be excused by newness push youre using.

[Gorkington]

Being paranoid about votes on you when you only have one (and a mis-counted second) vote on you at this stage of the game is super fucking scummy beyond belief. especially with all your earlier bullshit I kept noticing. Sorry bud, youre on my scum list.

oh my god im L-5 again. am i supposed to claim now?

[Gorkington]

tierlist:
ircher
notmafia
=========
beeboy/nahdia
smudger
=========
titus/radja [also untouchable today]
actiondan
iece
aristophanes
roshar
=========
maruchan
=========
xkfyu
=========
fire assassin

[Gorkington]

Most (3 out of 4) of Smudgers votes accumulated before he even made his first post, so why are you connecting his entrance with his wagon?

do you disagree that smudger's wagon still being a thing is related to his entrance?
y/n?
if y, why ask such a pointless question.
if n, why are you being wrong at me?

Also, why do you believe that he won't react until his wagon's momentum slows down?

lack of reaction to the rest of the wagon.

You just gonna scum read me and ignore my questions?

yes and maybe.

And why is M&B "untouchable" today?

because.

[Gorkington]

or to be more specific, because titus.*

[Gorkington]

Yes, I disagree. You're the only one who has really had a problem with his entrance, and you never even voted for him.

i) so youre voting him because "lol a wagon on someone for no reason is fun"?
ii) not-mafia is a person in this game who ive been talking to.
frustrating that it feels like youre not actually reading whats happening in the game.

The "rest of the wagon?" You mean Not_Mafia? Perhaps he just hasn't been back online since his last post.

I only know Plotinus usually rolls scum.

so we're probably looking at 6 scum here.

VOTE: Smudger

I also want in!

-Radja

yeah.
just notmafia.

Ok, so why is Titus untouchable?

i probably wont be okay with lynching her slot on day one this game for dumb personal reasons. sorry.

[Gorkington]

i feel irritable today. :/

[Gorkington]

@xk, im getting bored with my own shtick. tell me about the three players in this game that you feel most confident about in either alignment direction.

[Gorkington]

do you think scum-maruchan intentionally plays dumb about me being sarcastic?

[Gorkington]

so you think that they picked up on the sarcasm? it doesnt read as possible to you that they didnt?

[Gorkington]

fire assassin case coming tonight.

[Gorkington]

im saying that if maruchan missed the context of the sarcasm, isnt your entire point on him moot?
like.
if he didnt realize i was messing around, why is he scummy for it?

[Gorkington]

Gorkington still has failed to expand

not the first time ive heard that one.
ayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy.

[Gorkington]

so heres fire assassin in a nutshell and why you should vote for him.
i) opening vote is on me.
starts as RVS.
he then tries to weirdly justify it with easy reasoning.
not a big deal, but it gave me gutfeels that he felt nervous about sitting on an unexplained vote, which feels scummy in my heart.

ii) transition onto nahdia/beeboy hydra is wonky and easy. he abandons the vote on me for what amounts to "these posts look weird" which is meh. what bothers me is that it feels like hes registered that im not an easy push at this point. specifics here being:

I find this strange you have so many reads this early into the game.
I guess they are mostly 'leans' so, not really strong so its w/e.

this is his follow-up to me ignoring his questions.
where other people are prickled by me doing this, he backs off, hedges and waffles. it just doesnt seem like a real genuine "im trying to figure out who scum is"-reaction and instead just kind of looks to me like "how do i push someone and not get flack for it here/how do i explain what ive done so far in a way that wont get me in trouble?"

You realize your hostility isn't going to help anyone read you right? Its all AtE, which can be either alignment. I am willing to have a conversation with you, but if all your going to do is throw emotional posts like this, we can't have a discussion and I will have to ignore you.

this does not look like a genuine reaction to someone hes voting/calling scummy.

Why does this sound like you are lining up both associations and lynches before we even have a single flip. This is disgusting on so many levels, its more likely to come from bad town than scum though.

the entire mindset of this post just screams to me of scum not knowing how to deal with someone hardpushing them for reasons that they dont understand.

im struggling a little trying to articulate exactly why this post is bothering me so much. i think its mostly that i cant see the town incentive in simultaneously hedging on calling me scummy/calling me bad town to discredit me without committing to pushing me. im kind of hoping if i draw attention to it, someone smarter than me will look at it and see what im seeing and put it into real words.

part of what also bugs me about this, is that he says "time to find scum!", calls me bad town, and then goes on to basically ask me a bunch of questions. does not feel like genuine scumhunting methinks.

there you go. having all of that time to make up these reasons really helped. thanks for letting me stall ircher.

[Gorkington]

god its so hard to make a case look nice with this posting style.
dang.

[Gorkington]

Lol You Noob Gork! XD
Why are people voting you anyway? I don't see/get any cases really.

its because of all those darn scumtells i dropped.
trying to pick them up but man theres just so many all over the floor.
:c

now its time for the part of the game when i parse out whether fire assassin is scummy via playstyle or via him being a scum-butt.
wish me luck.~

[Gorkington]

i keep forgetting about that joindate.
mostly because this is like 95%-odds of fire assassin being an alt.
how.
ironically.
frustrating.

[Gorkington]

because i want meta.
i want it.
and i cant have it.

*frothing*

[Gorkington]

how long are you planning to keep up this "welp lol"-reaction to the push on you?

[Gorkington]

iuno.
its pretty boring though.

why do you think maruchan was overacting? give specifics.

[Gorkington]

okay fire assassin you get some homework.
i want a readslist.
and i want you to give one sentence explanations for each read.
if you dont do this then you get to be the day one lynch.

[Gorkington]

Also, if you're implying that the only content we have from gorkington so far is sarcasm, then my vote STILL stands.

are you voting me with increasing certainty because of what not mafia is saying?
thats just unfair man.
at least scumread me for things that im doing and not things that other people are doing.

[Gorkington]

Gorkington still has failed to respond to any question or request posed to him regarding his reads or changes of his reads, and just continues attempting to make snide humor comments, that fail to provide humor.

oooo did you want me to double down on my cheeky bullshit? because you ignoring me actually giving content in the form of a case to continue this hilarious tirade against me having fun in this game is just amazing and you really are just incentivizing me at this point.

[Gorkington]

like seriously, im driving the biggest wagon in the game right now with the best-made case. tomorrow i'll pick at fire's response to it. and then i'll probably drive the game some more. does it bother you that youre impressively uninfluential when youre trying so hard while a buffoon who doesnt use proper grammar and posts sarcastically 90% of the time is?

[Gorkington]

not mafia.
can you tell me to stop being a jerk.
itll make it easier for me to stop being a jerk.

[Gorkington]

so heres fire assassin in a nutshell and why you should vote for him.
i) opening vote is on me.
starts as RVS.
he then tries to weirdly justify it with easy reasoning.
not a big deal, but it gave me gutfeels that he felt nervous about sitting on an unexplained vote, which feels scummy in my heart.

ii) transition onto nahdia/beeboy hydra is wonky and easy. he abandons the vote on me for what amounts to "these posts look weird" which is meh. what bothers me is that it feels like hes registered that im not an easy push at this point. specifics here being:

I find this strange you have so many reads this early into the game.
I guess they are mostly 'leans' so, not really strong so its w/e.

this is his follow-up to me ignoring his questions.
where other people are prickled by me doing this, he backs off, hedges and waffles. it just doesnt seem like a real genuine "im trying to figure out who scum is"-reaction and instead just kind of looks to me like "how do i push someone and not get flack for it here/how do i explain what ive done so far in a way that wont get me in trouble?"

You realize your hostility isn't going to help anyone read you right? Its all AtE, which can be either alignment. I am willing to have a conversation with you, but if all your going to do is throw emotional posts like this, we can't have a discussion and I will have to ignore you.

this does not look like a genuine reaction to someone hes voting/calling scummy.

Why does this sound like you are lining up both associations and lynches before we even have a single flip. This is disgusting on so many levels, its more likely to come from bad town than scum though.

the entire mindset of this post just screams to me of scum not knowing how to deal with someone hardpushing them for reasons that they dont understand.

im struggling a little trying to articulate exactly why this post is bothering me so much. i think its mostly that i cant see the town incentive in simultaneously hedging on calling me scummy/calling me bad town to discredit me without committing to pushing me. im kind of hoping if i draw attention to it, someone smarter than me will look at it and see what im seeing and put it into real words.

part of what also bugs me about this, is that he says "time to find scum!", calls me bad town, and then goes on to basically ask me a bunch of questions. does not feel like genuine scumhunting methinks.

there you go. having all of that time to make up these reasons really helped. thanks for letting me stall ircher.

[Gorkington]

Finally going to address this. Not breaking up quote just going in numbers...hope that won't confuse.

1) So you are just calling me weird. That isn't news to me. Meh
2) You are not a easy push? I didn't realize this as all. Call me arrogant, but I think I can push whoever if I was scum. With different levels of success but still I could push you if I wanted to, but I was thinking I had good portion of you that I didn't need to look more at you. Your responses as of late have registered you as one my strongest town reads. Which I find funny.
3) I usually don't pressure people to answer my questions. If I do, I am interested if not I am genuinely just trying to create discussion or legitimately don't care. Glad you picked up on the last part, but me not trying to solve the game is different.
4) How does it not look legitimate? They threw AtE at me, I still have them at null for it. The reaction was pretty over the top for them, but I could see it from either alignment. I want to go away from reading people by emotions, which is kind of my strong suit, going to try see reason based or some people call mechanical reads.
5) So you don't know how to put what you saw into words. Great. Don't know how this makes me scum, but again another great town tell.

If this is all there is on me, I pray for the towns future.

heres his rebuttal too.

[Gorkington]

is that self-assured bad-old-town or scum though not-maf? because the vitriol reads more like wrong than intentional to me.
also, in other news, aristo is slightly leaning town.
itd be awesome if this turned into a POE game.

[Gorkington]

who are you asking that?

[Gorkington]

i dont value my ability to discern your alignment based on your earlygame performance anymore. q.q

[Gorkington]

hope+1.

[Gorkington]

@Gork, OK but if you don't scumhunt me soon. We're going to have problems.

dats cute.

[Gorkington]

1) So you are just calling me weird. That isn't news to me. Meh
2) You are not a easy push? I didn't realize this as all. Call me arrogant, but I think I can push whoever if I was scum. With different levels of success but still I could push you if I wanted to, but I was thinking I had good portion of you that I didn't need to look more at you. Your responses as of late have registered you as one my strongest town reads. Which I find funny.
3) I usually don't pressure people to answer my questions. If I do, I am interested if not I am genuinely just trying to create discussion or legitimately don't care. Glad you picked up on the last part, but me not trying to solve the game is different.
4) How does it not look legitimate? They threw AtE at me, I still have them at null for it. The reaction was pretty over the top for them, but I could see it from either alignment. I want to go away from reading people by emotions, which is kind of my strong suit, going to try see reason based or some people call mechanical reads.
5) So you don't know how to put what you saw into words. Great. Don't know how this makes me scum, but again another great town tell.

this is probably the first and last time i will address a point wall, especially when it appears that youre more interested in attacking semantics over the nice juicy details of what i was talking about here.
dont really care about first three points. only thing i will say is that me saying im hard to push is probably admittedly just me being arrogant so that point was probably silly.
four is pretty bah. if youre voting for someone, it doesnt seem real that your response to them getting angry at you didnt have any measure of skepticism. like your response was 100% believing them and trying to defuse their anger. which is fair, but i think its more likely that youre scum having trouble dealing with the emotions than town in that reaction. like, i get that youve got this whole "im mechanically analyzing people"-thing going here, but i just dont believe it?
and five is actively awful. i put it into words and made other coherent points based around it, such as the fact that your supposed "scumhunting" was just asking me questions despite me being one of your biggest townreads.
sorry bub.
not convinced.

[Gorkington]

Reads should be 85% objective and 15% subjective imo.

what happens if fire assassin flips scum?
do you bow down to my greatness?
and call me your master?

[Gorkington]

i think im maybe too arrogant to play mafia now.
i literally dont have the patience to deal with shit i think is dumb.

[Gorkington]

same.
stop trying to teach me lessons. i dont need them.

[Gorkington]

Then dont post a case that is 100% null indicative.

has it ever occurred to you that maybe youre just really bad?

[Gorkington]

ircher is being an incoherent mess at me while acting like hes actually good at the game.
sorry.
not interested in playing nice.

[Gorkington]

Now what you think of Not Mafia and Minsc?

not mafia is still townish.
minsc is not but im not worrying about it yet.

[Gorkington]

Ircher, Gork is town and so are you, so stop it.

Gork, are you worried about Iecerint? Do you agree with my townread on Ircher?

no more worried about iece than i am anyone else whos flying under radar.

ircher is indeed probably town.
if he keeps antagonizing me, i'll probably dedicate more of my focus/attention to making him feel bad over trying to play the game.
call me scum if you want/feel it, just dont insult my intelligence/abilities at the game itself, because i'll make you feel really dumb for it if you do!

in other news, i appreciate fire assassin's optimism in the face of hard tunneling/lots of people being toxic around him.
i still think hes scum.
but hes a cool dude.
:/

[Gorkington]

you still have avoided even acknowledging me or XK asking you about your reads on us. You've continued to blatantly ignore that.

maybe its that i feel like youre asking for the sake of asking at this point? like that you feel on principle that ive wronged you by not answering your question.
like. if im scum, i would just make something up. and it would be framed in a way that you couldnt argue with it.
if im town, im just going to overexplain some stuff that i wasnt confident about at the time.
is that really going to give you anything?

[Gorkington]

like, here:
i) early townread was a gutread for effort. it was an intentionally naive read.
ii) scumread was because im eager to find scummate connections and you pushing me/fire but concluding on me being worth voting over him just sat weirdly to me.
iii) townread is because way you pushed me just gives vibes of a certain archetype of townplayer that im used to playing with.

pick at it if youd like.
id strongly prefer if you picked at the case on fire instead.

[Gorkington]

she'll have to wait until this game is over.
finding replacements is hard.
>:D

[Gorkington]

im a prat.
it doesnt mean that my reads are off the mark though.
q.q

[Gorkington]

His thoughts have matched mine at most points and that tends to mean people are town in my experience.

examples of this?
is this the main reason you dislike the FA wagon or no?

[Gorkington]

I just think you might be scum because you spent some time casting dispersions on ppl who're probably town

as someone whose opinion you can definitely trust on the matter, i think i would have indulged myself less as scum there.
could understand this a little more if i was just attacking anyone who calls me scummy, but i feel like ive just been really prickly to people who have been calling me bad at the game. which is probably something i just need to start accepting is going to happen if im going to play the way i do.
zzz.

[Gorkington]

I think this is a giant leap and manufactured.

more words about this please!

[Gorkington]

was answering only one question intentional or unintentional?
:c

p-edit: yeah i noticed that.
i want to hear more of an explanation behind it because its confusing.

[Gorkington]

everything i do has a secret motive.

especially.

this post.

[Gorkington]

Also, same question as Gorke, which points did you find you related to with fire assassin?

not sure i understand this?

[Gorkington]

Catchup may not actually occur until tomorrow. Apologies in advance.

come be town already!!!!
i need someone to condense with and iece is slightly intimidating.
:c

[Gorkington]

Gork, my vote is reaffirmed by FA's posting. Tell me thoughts on X, IEC, and FA.

xkfyu is null with faint here-and-there feels of towniness that i dont particularly trust.
iece is maybe town but im scared because hes good and i havent played with him before so not confident about that at all.
fa is still a scum-guy. nothing about anything hes doing feels town to me.

are these questions for buddying purposes or sorting purposes?
let me know so i know how to react o them.

[Gorkington]

Sorry, got the flu and starting a new job today, nothing has happened to really change my scumreads on FA AND Smudger slot.

talk at me.
about what you dont like about it.
is it the composition or fa reading town to you?

[Gorkington]

i kind of feel like chamber might be scum.
:s
he just seems..
busy.

might need to metadive.

[Gorkington]

i mean.
if i were to throw three darts for scum right now itd be you, minsc and chamber.
dont know what made you think otherwise.

[Gorkington]

talk at me.
about what you dont like about it.
is it the composition or fa reading town to you?

this was supposed to be directed at this quote q.q

I don't like the Fire Assassin wagon, though. I think Gork is probably town, but if I'm right about Fire Assassin being town, then I think Aristophanes and M&B are decent picks for scum.

also, if you insult me im probably going to be more inclined to actually death tunnel you, so you may want to stop that.

[Gorkington]

I don't know how wrong town can be in a game

this strat.
you probably want to stop it.
insulting was probably the wrong word, but painting me as a caricature is unacceptable in my books >:o

[Gorkington]

i dont really know how to phrase it in a way that wouldnt be frustrating if i was wrong.
i need to sit down and quantify my thoughts because right now its all just vague outlines.

p-edit: jfc q.q
i was talking to fire with that second part.

[Gorkington]

why do you think fire is town

[Gorkington]

its okie.
the post itself was pretty ambiguous in its structure.
q.q

[Gorkington]

i dont really know how to phrase it in a way that wouldnt be frustrating if i was wrong.
i need to sit down and quantify my thoughts because right now its all just vague outlines.

[Gorkington]

i probably will when im home and have time to isodive/metadive you.

[Gorkington]

no?

[Gorkington]

examples of where youre seeing that and please talk a little bit about why you think those specific posts seem town.

[Gorkington]

Do you actually think me + fire is a plausible scum team at this point?

i'd like you to explain why you feel like you&fire isnt plausible after titus answers this.

[Gorkington]

Assassin/Ircher/Smudger scumteam.

i dont really think ircher is scum.
chamber analysis didnt end up being a thing.
shoot.

[Gorkington]

I'll save you the trouble. I'm like this as town more often than as scum but can fake it as scum for short periods.

thank you.
~

i really want someone to be exciting.

[Gorkington]

First thing next morning.

You just wait for me y'hear?




I'm coming

liar.

[Gorkington]

You had asked Chamber which points he related to with fire assassin. I also wanted this answered.

oh and i suppose this was a thing.
not sure why youre asking me this?
i think fire assassin is scum.
why would you want to know what points of his i agree with?

[Gorkington]

also aristophanes lynch probably isnt going to happen today.
sorry.

[Gorkington]

wait no i understand now.
zzzzzz.
words are hard.
nvm my question above.

[Gorkington]

davsto would then also have to explain lategame why hes still alive in spite of being a claimed PR.
the logic goes both ways.

[Gorkington]

I don't follow the question, I was calling Fire scum

^was supposed to be an xkfyu quote q.q i failed horribly.

[Gorkington]

firstly, you arent understanding what im saying from what i can tell.
secondly, to your point about me looking through every game that plotinus has played.
uh.
no?
i care about players in the game and their meta.
and using that to understand whether theyre playing differently than they play as town or similarly to how they play as scum.
i realistically need to metadive a few people to feel good about a confident read on them.
i dont care at all about mechanics because i suck at them.

[Gorkington]

like, i think its a stretch to believe davsto's thought process was "oh man if im alive lategame then i can just excuse it on the fact that scum was worried about me being protected".
im not even saying dav was that town.
i just disagree with what youre pushing here hard.

[Gorkington]

i can pick at your ircher case tonight if youd like. there are a few reasons that i like for why that slot is likely town.

[Gorkington]

i will probably look back at this momentary lapse in confidence with shame.

vote: actiondan

[Gorkington]

not really voting for pressure on AD right now.

[Gorkington]

So what shows Action Dan being anything?

an interesting question.

[Gorkington]

Bah, I know, still 7 days though. I need to ISO a couple of people and see if we can reach common ground before that.

no i mean im not going to let you lynch him.
stay away from ari.
bark bark bark.

[Gorkington]

its if people lynch aristophanes on d1 this game i will lose faith in humanity because it fucking happens too much.

[Gorkington]

-thing.

[Gorkington]

that he dont give a fuck bout lookin' town.
every game he says things that people latch onto really easily.
could he be scum doing it?
sure.

i still dont feel good even lynching him if hes scum if its done for shitty reasons anymore.

[Gorkington]

i swear a lot.
doesnt mean im actually all that angry.
i would be frustrated if a lamelynch happened on ari though.

minsc and boo lynch would be a hard compromise for end of day for me at this point.
i like the actiondan

wagon

a lot right now.

[Gorkington]

fire assassin has lost his good-natured spirit.
it makes me sad.

[Gorkington]

zzzz.
i keep putting off homework ive been giving myself in this game.
its getting kind of awful.
:/

[Gorkington]

minsc.
androgy.
you.
maybe fire.

[Gorkington]

why do you need a lynch.

[Gorkington]

if you think this is teammafia ad why is this your first mention of it.

p-edit: fa confirmed alt.
teehee.

[Gorkington]

ithoughtitwaskindofimplicitwherethisisexplicitso.

[Gorkington]

lol.
i dont really want to say what my first guess would be.
im pretty terrible at guessing alts.
hilariously.

[Gorkington]

unvote

.
let the games begin.

[Gorkington]

maruchan is talking about me
:'D

[Gorkington]

radiant is scummy because i disagree with his reads.

[Gorkington]

is that how mafia works?
i forget.

[Gorkington]

im gonna play a game where im just a dick instead of playing this game.
"tierlist:
ircher : same as RC
notmafia : same as RC
=========
beeboy/nahdia
smudger
=========
titus/radja [also untouchable today]
actiondan
iece
aristophanes : called townlean later.
roshar
=========
maruchan
=========
xkfyu : same as RC
=========
fire assassin"

wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

[Gorkington]

are you that bad at reading sarcasm.

[Gorkington]

dav coasted in paint mafia on setup spec alone.

i was wary of him doing the same here.

ircher has been pretty town so i was probably worried over nothing.

get better at mafia please.

[Gorkington]

i would probably be willing to vote either xkfyu or minsc solely for the AD votes.
RC is probably also town.
in spite of how much his entry is making me sad so far.

[Gorkington]

right.

[Gorkington]

this game is about to enter a new level of irritating.
which is impressive.
because it was already really up there.

[Gorkington]

literally just explained dav read.
and youre handwaving it.
stop being bad.

[Gorkington]

"your reads are bizarre even though we both townread notmafia's earlyplay and your scumreads match mine and the only one that i can actually articulate having an issue with is davsto which you just explained but i guess theyre still bizarre for some reason."
10/10.
im really glad that i still play mafia.
it makes me happy that the only thing i feel invested in is knocking bad town play.

[Gorkington]

THOSE WERE MY READS AT THE TIME.
fucking.
frothing.

[Gorkington]

wow ur so meme.

[Gorkington]

ive never wanted a fake dayvig to be real more than right now.

[Gorkington]

minsc is probably scummier.
finish catch up and we can talk about it.
im probably not voting anyone for a while.

[Gorkington]

also, im sour tonight.
i shouldnt be posting.
zzzz.

[Gorkington]

i was voting you because i like experiments.
my experiment happened to work.

[Gorkington]

wanted to see how easy it would be to build the wagon and to see who would jump on.
is pretty clear if you read my iso.

[Gorkington]

ok?

[Gorkington]

fake a daycop on me while youre at it.

[Gorkington]

i dont lie about shit as scum.
if i was scum my intention would have been to fake intent to build ad wagon for reaction.
im sorry you underthink how i play mafia.

p-edit: im not particularly interested in being productive.
i dont know if youve noticed that.

[Gorkington]

not really voting for pressure on AD right now.

So what shows Action Dan being anything?

an interesting question.

i like the actiondan

wagon

a lot right now.

no case on him.
no explicit mention of a scumread.
yeah man i scumclaimed here.

[Gorkington]

someone hit me in the face before i sign up for a game again.
i knew i was probably going to be unbearable and i did it anyway.
zzzz.

[Gorkington]

same.
sorry.

[Gorkington]

I am sorry this game isn't fun.

more upset with myself tbh. zzz.

[Gorkington]

you should catch up and find out bb.

[Gorkington]

ircher.
why are you posting so weirdly.

ari.
ilu.
please catch up.

ranger.
please be town.

[Gorkington]

:/

[Gorkington]

actually though can someone unvote?
i want more catch-up shit before this cycle ends.

[Gorkington]

garbage.
i hope youre scum.

[Gorkington]

yay ranger.

[Gorkington]

i think thats the first time ive been genuinely fooled by a fakehammer.
zzzz.

[Gorkington]

i think he was describing three separate people.
im more curious where your reads are at ari.
please give them when you finish catch-up.

[Gorkington]

the replacements are pretty good players though.
as much as rc can sometimes want to make me pull my hair out of my scalp hes good at mafia.
and ranger has had one of the best town performances ive ever seen.
if either of them are town im relatively excited.
and rc is at least probably town so theres that.
as long as he isnt demotivated/overly focused on one-slot townRC im at least a little hopeful.

p-edit: q.q no im not. shhh.
i get awful later on.

[Gorkington]

replacements = fresh life in otherwise stagnant game.
replacements are generally protown.
not sure why you think otherwise :s

[Gorkington]

okay.
so youre having less fun because replacements are stealing other people's thunder/your thunder or what?

[Gorkington]

being scumread is unfun.
i will give you credit where credit is due.

shouldnt be upset though.
odds of you being lynched over xkfyu or minsc is pretty much minuscule at this point.

[Gorkington]

i want to be lynched and people are townreading me.
think of how i feel.

[Gorkington]

and that he's just an annoying person.

youre a ray of sunshine yourself ;D

[Gorkington]

i think not mafia is staying in my townbin.
i kind of want to put ranger in the townbin as well but im not totally comfortable with it yet.
if she is town im pretty sure her reads are on the money.

i dont really see scum-iece. would need to be hit in the face about that to change my mind.

[Gorkington]

Prod dodge due to taxes and illness. Haven't been able to speak with Radja. Haven't read.

even if you do end up being scum, this is kind of a bummer.
i dont like the idea of potentially being right about someone because of shitty circumstances.
hope you feel better/get through taxstuff soon.

[Gorkington]

we've got four days.
ranger can you talk at me about iece?

also on the more paranoid side of things, if ranger is somehow scum, then my gut says that these interactions around fire could mean scummates there, but thats super duper ridiculous paranoia talking :s

[Gorkington]

also if ircher could give some coherent straightforward thoughts on the game as it stands and not just "i am sheeping x-person" i would love them dearly because i havent been able to follow anything theyve been doing for a while and its confusing me in spite of things that made me think theyre town.

[Gorkington]

oh also, ari and nahdia/beeboy hydra need to get in this thread.
or im gonna grill their cheese so hard on d2.

[Gorkington]

if you could do like quick summary of your three strongest reads at this very second thatd be ideal.

[Gorkington]

@Gork

That, I cant really do. Most of my reads currently stand around neutral/null territory.

you need to change that.

[Gorkington]

ari.
you need to give reads.
stop just asking questions yo, cause your fire vote is getting stale.
do you like it still or no?

response to ircherstuff will probably come tomorrow because i dont particularly want to parse it all tonight.

[Gorkington]

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Gorkington]

i feel like you need to take a step back and really look at the players in the game in isolation or something.
because i dont feel like youre gonna get into this by asking questions yoh.

take a hard stance on someone and push it.

you dont like minsc wagon?
okay.
is it just that theyre leaning null to you? or are you reading them as town?
are you reading the pushers as scummy?
what is it?

[Gorkington]

i think ircher is townier than dav was.

[Gorkington]

gork i saw u wanted more contribution from our slot ill try tonight though i do have stuff to do so we'll see if i procrastinate it or not. ii dont know. what exactly do u want from me? ask and u shall receive. sry im not being more PROACTIVE.

reads.
readlist.
reasons for reads.
a push.

any of that good shit.

[Gorkington]

im tempted to not be okay with any other wagon because theyre a claimed vt.
but that might be silly.

[Gorkington]

please replace me. sorry ether.

[Gorkington]

im not gonna ruin the game.
cancel the replace out.

vla until monday.
dont expect anything before then.

[Gorkington]

I'd actually prefer Qlynching not mafia right now. Dead serious, that was an utterly scummy move to make

It was made with such indifference to what people thought about him that I honestly think he is more town for it.

[Gorkington]

why are you voting minsc.
give words about it please.

or when im back in full force on monday you'll be seeing a lot more of my attention.

[Gorkington]

i feel like we're gonna lose this game.

[Gorkington]

my kneejerk is that minsc is still scum but im trying really hard not to let that drive everything i do this cycle.

not-mafia, i want you specifically to talk about your reads.

[Gorkington]

hi iece.
you started this game very openly.
why so much close-to-the-chest shit lately?

[Gorkington]

when did you become one of my strongest townreads.
man.

[Gorkington]

im gonna dunk ircher, ari and maru down on my readslist for how last cycle ended.
and yes its partially because it was pretty annoying.

[Gorkington]

ranger helped me warm up a bit on my read there.
and you casting shade at me opening d2 on a dumb point just reads town to me.

so basically the same unsatisfying bullshit as usual.

[Gorkington]

if i were to hazard a guess, ranger is more of a consistent danger, where im easily distracted and overly focused.
the way she drives the game is always a threat.
i merely have the potential to when im in a good headspace.

p-edit: i) fair enough.
ii) fair enough.

i think its pretty fair to say that its been a bit of a transition for you to have gone from being one of the most active voices in the game to just making naked votes and not commenting much on the gamestate.
do you have reads besides minsc?

[Gorkington]

i admit im partially sad because i was hoping to condense with you on a bunch of stuff and it never happened.

[Gorkington]

well.
my biggest pet paranoia was ranger defending you because you were scummates.
obviously thats not a thing.
ranger is good at the game.
her point about you playing a specific way because youre an alt resonated with me more than i wanted to admit.

its actually probably one of the few reads in the game i feel i have a good grasp on in terms of why its a thing.

[Gorkington]

i see what youre saying androgy.
but its not what you think.

[Gorkington]

i dont really want to vote yet.
im feeling unreasonably skittish still.
if it were the 11th hour i would vote minsc, but thats not really the case so.

[Gorkington]

it was a good burst of posting?
:/

[Gorkington]

lol.
im so bored by everything everyone is doing right now.
i hope i have a good night later this week so i can do isos.

[Gorkington]

>:E

[Gorkington]

ari.
if you dont get reads soon.
im gonna put you in the scumbin in spite of your rep.

[Gorkington]

i really want a scumflip. these slow games get so much easier with a scumflip to parse. :c
if rest of work doesnt kick my ass today i might try to aim to iso 1-2 people tonight i guess.

[Gorkington]

also titus if you dont want to be lamelynched you need to pick it up. because i will fully stand behind a deadline lynch on your slot if youre not doing something town soon.

[Gorkington]

its more me being sad than me threatening you.
i dont want to lamelynch anyone.
but if this game is in the gutter and 5-6 people arent producing any kind of content im gonna just roll with shit that happens out of apathy.
so fine, whoever's town out of the pile of zzzzzz please start being more town.

[Gorkington]

maruchan.
can you provide an example or two of someone that youve played with who, as scum, did some of the things youre saying are scummy about ircher's play?

[Gorkington]

i feel you.

[Gorkington]

Holy shit guys, let me be relevant and let Titus say things first!

I didn't think Minsc was scum yesterday and nothing has yet changed that. So I still don't support this.

youre still saying this after the xk counterwagon.

ari.

patience is running thin.

and this is coming from me.

[Gorkington]

lmao sorry aristo but like, actually yes that's a huge scumtell in my book.

hes not lying.

its also been 1.5 hours tho.

[Gorkington]

also i could be wrong.
but nahdia reads like cheeky scum to me.
:/

[Gorkington]

Aristo is probably scum. the mood among town here is pretty clearly down and just wanting to get this over with and Aristo's continued serious attitude towards the game feels forced and awkward by comparison

have you played with aristophanes before?

[Gorkington]

but the tone of the slot was a lot more light hearted than scum would be.

titus can be very light-hearted as scum.
in my experience moreso than town titus.

[Gorkington]

okay ari we're gonna play a game because im bored as fuck and if youre town i want you to make it really obvious for me so i can have a pretty townpile.

the game is called:
tell me what these posts make you feel.

VLA until Tuesday, thought I did this for our hydra but didn't see it.

VOTE: X

Shameless vote BC RC will not be lynched.

Prod dodge due to taxes and illness. Haven't been able to speak with Radja. Haven't read.

VT.

I know we aren't at L minus 1, but circumstances are as they are.

Not thrilled about IEC on it but lots of scumreads poopooing the AD wagon.

VOTE: AD

Team Mafia called. They want their AD back.

~Titus

Top three means you could vote there or not. It's a non-stance. Stances are things people can be held to.

Just throwing out reads with nothing to support them means there's nothing available to be held to.

~Titus

[Gorkington]

and i want you to pick at each of them individually.
and then im going to pick at how you answer them.
and then im going to decide if youre town or not.

what a fun sequence of events.

[Gorkington]

was out for dinner with my mum.
it was very nice.

i would probably lynch androgy over titus atm.

ari is in the townbin now.
happy times.

[Gorkington]

someone is probably snowing me.
at least its probably not marquis in disguise again :'D

p-edit: her stealing ranger's reads you mean?
i want to steal ranger's reads as well tbh so!

i think androgy's tone is pretty wonky as heck.
i would lynch for that over her readslist being similar to a dead person's.