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[Expedience]

I mean, you can't really go back on the "lel lets hard townread and chainsaw defend each other" it now.

So you admit to chainsawing for chilled.

No, I obviously didn't mean that when I said

you

, you scumfuck. You and Sakura.

[Sakura Hana]

That's still backtracking, your backtracking on saying your arguments at the start of the day were legit. I don't even understand why town would do what you're doing, and all those misprepresentations and taunting are seriously pissing me off.

[Garmr]

You don't look relaxed

[Expedience]

You don't look relaxed

I was when I posted 687.

[Expedience]

That's still backtracking, your backtracking on saying your arguments at the start of the day were legit. I don't even understand why town would do what you're doing, and all those misprepresentations and taunting are seriously pissing me off.

Define buzzwords however you like. My posts weren't from a scum perspective.

[Garmr]

I mean, you can't really go back on the "lel lets hard townread and chainsaw defend each other" it now.

So you admit to chainsawing for chilled.

No, I obviously didn't mean that when I said

you

, you scumfuck. You and Sakura.

So you did do it but weren't referring to that?

[Sakura Hana]

Define buzzwords however you like. My posts weren't from a scum perspective.

Neither are mine, would you look at that!

[Sakura Hana]

Or is it that after witnessing how I reacted on Blitz 21 you decided to just do the exact same thing again every game?
Do you hate me that much?
Is it your objetive to make me ragequit MS again?

[Expedience]

I mean, you can't really go back on the "lel lets hard townread and chainsaw defend each other" it now.

So you admit to chainsawing for chilled.

No, I obviously didn't mean that when I said

you

, you scumfuck. You and Sakura.

So you did do it but weren't referring to that?

It depends how you define that buzzphrase. I think you are scum and chilledtea is town. I thought that you were scum before you accused chilledtea. I thought that your accusation on chilledtea was awful and scummy.

[Expedience]

Or is it that after witnessing how I reacted on Blitz 21 you decided to just do the exact same thing again every game?
Do you hate me that much?
Is it your objetive to make me ragequit MS again?

How is that even relevant, I've never shown any animosity towards you. Replace out if you want, I don't care.

[mhsmith0]

Or is it that after witnessing how I reacted on Blitz 21 you decided to just do the exact same thing again every game?
Do you hate me that much?
Is it your objetive to make me ragequit MS again?

Is this the game you reference?
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=110&t=65049

I suppose I should look at it for a comparison point.

[mhsmith0]

I'm not seriously saying that you're scum for putting Madonna to L-1, and I never was. I was just trying to pressure you into actually doing something rather than all the posturing and not voting anyone.

So backtracking now?

Oh fuck off.

I'm just having a bit of fun at the scum's expense, relax.

I mean, you can't really go back on the "lel lets hard townread and chainsaw defend each other" it now.

So you admit to chainsawing for chilled.

No, I obviously didn't mean that when I said

you

, you scumfuck. You and Sakura.

Maybe this conversation needs to take a break. I'm not sure that this is moving in any kind of productive direction.

[Sakura Hana]

Or is it that after witnessing how I reacted on Blitz 21 you decided to just do the exact same thing again every game?
Do you hate me that much?
Is it your objetive to make me ragequit MS again?

Is this the game you reference?
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=110&t=65049

I suppose I should look at it for a comparison point.

Yes that's the game I reference.
People led by Wisdom just kept shouting that I was scum, with no reasoning, and everyone just followed along and didnt let me do anything so I end up ragequitting.
My current belief is that Expedience is trying to achieve the same since he knows how i react as town, and it's why he's trying to make those misrepresentations, snarky remarks and taunting me.

[Garmr]

I mean, you can't really go back on the "lel lets hard townread and chainsaw defend each other" it now.

So you admit to chainsawing for chilled.

No, I obviously didn't mean that when I said

you

, you scumfuck. You and Sakura.

So you did do it but weren't referring to that?

It depends how you define that buzzphrase. I think you are scum and chilledtea is town. I thought that you were scum before you accused chilledtea. I thought that your accusation on chilledtea was awful and scummy.

You use buzz a lot are you a bee. Because all your buzzing is counter productive to your cause if you use the word buzz to much it becomes worthless. Everything seems like a buzzword to u.

I'm telling you this because I don't want another 5 pages of your junky reasoning when you come back to me. Give something more solid.

[mhsmith0]

Or is it that after witnessing how I reacted on Blitz 21 you decided to just do the exact same thing again every game?
Do you hate me that much?
Is it your objetive to make me ragequit MS again?

Is this the game you reference?
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=110&t=65049

I suppose I should look at it for a comparison point.

Yes that's the game I reference.
People led by Wisdom just kept shouting that I was scum, with no reasoning, and everyone just followed along and didnt let me do anything so I end up ragequitting.
My current belief is that Expedience is trying to achieve the same since he knows how i react as town, and it's why he's trying to make those misrepresentations, snarky remarks and taunting me.

Is it your opinion that you would only be affected this way as town?

[Boonskiies]

Tbh i've always hated TvS arguments, because it looks like scum lining up lynches.
Boon is scum for lying and doing the above.

Expedience is scum for misrepresenting every single one of my posts since day 1

.

2)Boon is lying like here:

Also, I haven't been paying too much to expedience. I feel like he's repeating himself.

If he's not paying too much attention to expedience how does he know this:

I wouldn't say we have exact same reads. I feel he scum reads you harder than I do, and my scum read on you is more external. And minus chilled is quite a big thing. We may have lean scum reads on similar people,

but I assure you

, our reads are not the same.

The bolded is exactly what you are doing to me. I can know his god damn reads and his thoughts about it without paying much attention to his posts. I see exactly what he's going at, i just don't care to deal with the semantics he has with Garmr. So this is crap.

[Sakura Hana]

Is it your opinion that you would only be affected this way as town?

I don't have any opinion on anything meta related to me, I let ppl meta me and form their own opinions. Because anything that i know would attribute to just town me, i will implement to my scum game.

That being said.
I guess I can be affected as both alignments, but the difference is that as scum it would be fake.

[mhsmith0]

Is it your opinion that you would only be affected this way as town?

I don't have any opinion on anything meta related to me, I let ppl meta me and form their own opinions. Because anything that i know would attribute to just town me, i will implement to my scum game.

That being said.
I guess I can be affected as both alignments, but the difference is that as scum it would be fake.

OTOH, you may find it easy as scum to be genuinely pissed off about something that genuinely pisses you off and show your sincerity that way. I do buy that you're pissed off, but I'm not at this time buying your reaction (though seemingly legitimate) as alignment-indicative.

[Lowell]

I'll be back at work and able to post within 24 hours. I have some things to get off my chest anyway, so that'll be good.

[ToastyToast]

Your interracial

lmao

@Sakura: those posts of expedience's that you listed don't read as misreps to me. I think it is a weak interpretation but those are different things. Could you explain further why you feel those were misreps? I didn't like Expedience's condescending tone but I felt like he was trying to get a reaction out of you.

This whole argument between Sakura, Expedience, and Gamr is certainly informative (and really boring) but I don't find any of them scummy enough to warrant a lynch. My scumreads seem really different from everyone else. You need to stop tunneling one another because I get a strong feeling that scum is just waiting on the sidelines for one argument to win out. But my first post in the game also only garnered a response from mhsmith. I pointed out a contradiction in boonskies post that no one even glanced at.

My mafia theory suggests one scum in each of the following groups (I believe that no matter the playstyle, scum teams will try to "fill the void" of these spots and adapt accordingly. Additionally, I find that most scum teams have at least one member they are willing to lynch if they need to in order to establish town cred or protect themselves (the scapegoat). Because we have more people taking the backseat I think there is a strong chance that two of the scum team are trying to coast by, which makes the sheep/lurker groups better targets for a lynch.

The Leader:

Almost50

,

Expedience

, Garmr, Sakura Hana* (despite her recent posts, which show more lurker than anything else, she's still provided decent content D1 and is driving discussion)
The Sheep: chilledtea, mhsmith0 (I feel better about him based on recent posts), texcat
The Lurker:

Boonskies

, Goodlordwill/dierfire, Lowell,

Sayaka Maizono

As you can see, I'm having trouble reading the sheep group currently.

[Sakura Hana]

@Sakura: those posts of expedience's that you listed don't read as misreps to me. I think it is a weak interpretation but those are different things. Could you explain further why you feel those were misreps?

124 He's creating scummy motivation where there's none.
639 Not sure why you don't see this one, it's plain as day, my post refers to Madonna flipping town, not prior knowledge of the slot being town, yet Expedience decides to say it's the former, i mean come on, i don't get it. And i still don't understand what he meant by the second part since i never complained about the day ending early, I was asking Lowell a question.
640 Says im "dancing around Madonna" when im clearly just asking questions to see what happened back on Day 1, yet another instance of him creating scummy motivation when there's none.

[Sakura Hana]

Toasty: Why do we have opposite reads regarding Almost and Expedience, i don't understand why anyone's townreading what he's doing, i don't get why ppl don't see what i'm seeing, and the only person that's actually been seeing what im seeing is Almost50 as shown in 673 which is another reason for me to think he's town.

[Sakura Hana]

it's the former

This meant to say "it's the later"

[chilledtea]

Toasty: Why do we have opposite reads regarding Almost and Expedience, i don't understand why anyone's townreading what he's doing, i don't get why ppl don't see what i'm seeing, and the only person that's actually been seeing what im seeing is Almost50 as shown in 673 which is another reason for me to think he's town.

I think Expedience's intention is town. He has been very clear in his statements - wanted madonna lynch, went for it boldly. I like that and I don't see scum doing it that easy.
His case on you I don't agree with. But, I agree with him on garmr being scum.

[ToastyToast]

Toasty: Why do we have opposite reads regarding Almost and Expedience, i don't understand why anyone's townreading what he's doing, i don't get why ppl don't see what i'm seeing, and the only person that's actually been seeing what im seeing is Almost50 as shown in 673 which is another reason for me to think he's town.

I think I mentioned this in my first post but pretty much everything Almost says I associate with key ways to give scum an advantage: town blocks, teaching, confusing "scum" with "playing in a way that I dislike," whining about how scummy everything is. I also dislike his reasoning for his scum-reads but he isn't someone I would want to lynch today so I'm not going to create a giant wall post.

As for the Expedience read, he's condescending but it is straight up town aggression. Scum wouldn't be that openly antagonistic--it doesn't make any friends.